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Texas Baseball Coaching Search**Updated with David Pierce Hire**

Duke,

I have made ONE post in this entire thread.  Just reading this thread from start to finish is more than enough Keystone cops of guessing.  

The "nah" wasn't representative of offers but more of a representation everyone's changing opinion and focus from one guy to the next.  I didnt bother to read your 5000 word response, but whatever brother.  

I am just guessing here but you must be an Attorney.  How else can someone turn a sarcastic dry statement into an 8 hour deposition.  You managed to turn the word "nah" into "I have inside knowledge of Perrin's contacts, offers, and thoughts."

Thats funny shit brother.  Have fun with that!

I am in the O'Sullivan or Schloss camp.

 
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A tidbit on Pierce at Tulane, hearing that he has a significant buyout ($1 million)

I would have to believe that, while not a complete roadblock, this would cause some pause by Texas.  I personally don't know if what he's done warrants that kind of additional spend by UT.  Just food for thought. 

 
What amazes me during high level coaching searches is how the naivete of some becomes clearly evident as does the total ignorance of others (cough*Saban*cough).

The reality is that Mike Perrin is leading this process and exactly none of the people professing to know who Perrin has talked to and everything Perrin has discussed knows anything about Mike Perrin or how he does business.

Some people act as if Perrin is calling prospective coaches on the phone, asking "Would you like to be head baseball coach at Texas?" and waiting for an immediate answer. No high level hire is performed by the employer asking someone if they want the job and shoving a contract in their face to sign. Over at BON they have a writer named Jack Keyes banging out headlines like "Texas baseball coach search facing trouble" and "John Savage will not the be the next baseball coach at Texas." Jack Keyes is an 18 year old college freshman. He knows nothing. He has zero inside information. Yet people see what he writes and immediately they start banging out comments about how Texas can't find a coach, based on they read something on the interweb, and of course nothing can be on the interweb unless it is true (cough*Saban*cough). Even if it comes from a clueless 18 year kid with no sources.

There is no way UT is going to announce a coaching hire until the College World Series kicks off. I seriously doubt there is any interest in announcing a new coach until 30 minutes before the championship game. If you want your program to be in the spotlight when it isn't in the spotlight, you wait until the spotlight is turned on and then you do something that gets the spotlight diverted to your program. This is simple marketing. Anyone interested in college baseball will be watching the CWS championship game. THAT is when you want to make the announcement, when the ardent followers of the sport are paying attention. How can people not understand this?

Someone was mocking UT, commenting how Texas was supposedly not going to retain a search firm, but now that they can't find a coach, the university has been forced to retain a search firm. Bullshit.

Anyone who has done any negotiating or any sales work knows "no" is just an opening negotiating position. Coaches have families and spouses. Coaches need to discuss matters with assistant coaches. Assistant coaches have families and spouses. For any high level hire, there are a lot of moving parts that need to be considered and factored into the discussion. People can be hesitant. People need time to think. People need time to decide. And sometimes people need to negotiate or be convinced by someone like Mike Perrin.

As for the search firm, exactly who inside Bellmont is qualified to vet the background of a candidate as well as the proposed assistants properly? Does anyone think we have people with that skill set just sitting around on the payroll, or do people think that when we get to the point we need to vet candidates, we call in professionals? The search firm that was hired, has anyone seen the engagement memorandum? I didn't think so.

Mike Perrin knows how to negotiate and he knows how to respect confidences. Yes, those on the other side may talk freely, but I don't think Mike is going to be talking much with candidates who run to the press every time they got off the phone with Mike because those are the exact type of candidates who will run to the press, leaking inside information if they were to be hired. Perrin isn't the one leaking information and anyone on the other side of negotiations running to the press isn't the right guy for the UT job. It's that simple. And if Perrin isn't talking and the candidates we truly want aren't talking, where is all this "100% certain" information coming from? Usually from people like 18 year freshman with jobs writing for blogs, but no real sources.

I'm content to laugh at those who think they know everything that is going on, because they read it on the interweb and the interweb can only contain information that is true (cough*Saban*cough). If there is no coaching hire three or four days past the CWS championship game, I will begin to wonder. Until them, just sit back and let the process work itself out. Highly competent people are in charge of this process. There has been nothing to make me think the process is not moving along and that we will have the coach we want by the end of the CWS.
So....tl;dr Mike Perrin is leading negotiations, let him do his job, make sure candidates are vetted, pick who he wants, then we'll all find out who it is. So don't believe everything you read in the internet.

Got it, thanks.

 
What amazes me during high level coaching searches is how the naivete of some becomes clearly evident as does the total ignorance of others (cough*Saban*cough).

The reality is that Mike Perrin is leading this process and exactly none of the people professing to know who Perrin has talked to and everything Perrin has discussed knows anything about Mike Perrin or how he does business.

Some people act as if Perrin is calling prospective coaches on the phone, asking "Would you like to be head baseball coach at Texas?" and waiting for an immediate answer. No high level hire is performed by the employer asking someone if they want the job and shoving a contract in their face to sign. Over at BON they have a writer named Jack Keyes banging out headlines like "Texas baseball coach search facing trouble" and "John Savage will not the be the next baseball coach at Texas." Jack Keyes is an 18 year old college freshman. He knows nothing. He has zero inside information. Yet people see what he writes and immediately they start banging out comments about how Texas can't find a coach, based on they read something on the interweb, and of course nothing can be on the interweb unless it is true (cough*Saban*cough). Even if it comes from a clueless 18 year kid with no sources.

There is no way UT is going to announce a coaching hire until the College World Series kicks off. I seriously doubt there is any interest in announcing a new coach until 30 minutes before the championship game. If you want your program to be in the spotlight when it isn't in the spotlight, you wait until the spotlight is turned on and then you do something that gets the spotlight diverted to your program. This is simple marketing. Anyone interested in college baseball will be watching the CWS championship game. THAT is when you want to make the announcement, when the ardent followers of the sport are paying attention. How can people not understand this?

Someone was mocking UT, commenting how Texas was supposedly not going to retain a search firm, but now that they can't find a coach, the university has been forced to retain a search firm. Bullshit.

Anyone who has done any negotiating or any sales work knows "no" is just an opening negotiating position. Coaches have families and spouses. Coaches need to discuss matters with assistant coaches. Assistant coaches have families and spouses. For any high level hire, there are a lot of moving parts that need to be considered and factored into the discussion. People can be hesitant. People need time to think. People need time to decide. And sometimes people need to negotiate or be convinced by someone like Mike Perrin.

As for the search firm, exactly who inside Bellmont is qualified to vet the background of a candidate as well as the proposed assistants properly? Does anyone think we have people with that skill set just sitting around on the payroll, or do people think that when we get to the point we need to vet candidates, we call in professionals? The search firm that was hired, has anyone seen the engagement memorandum? I didn't think so.

Mike Perrin knows how to negotiate and he knows how to respect confidences. Yes, those on the other side may talk freely, but I don't think Mike is going to be talking much with candidates who run to the press every time they got off the phone with Mike because those are the exact type of candidates who will run to the press, leaking inside information if they were to be hired. Perrin isn't the one leaking information and anyone on the other side of negotiations running to the press isn't the right guy for the UT job. It's that simple. And if Perrin isn't talking and the candidates we truly want aren't talking, where is all this "100% certain" information coming from? Usually from people like 18 year freshman with jobs writing for blogs, but no real sources.

I'm content to laugh at those who think they know everything that is going on, because they read it on the interweb and the interweb can only contain information that is true (cough*Saban*cough). If there is no coaching hire three or four days past the CWS championship game, I will begin to wonder. Until them, just sit back and let the process work itself out. Highly competent people are in charge of this process. There has been nothing to make me think the process is not moving along and that we will have the coach we want by the end of the CWS.
Bingo. We finally agree on something. 

This is how these type searches work. The media throws a bunch of names against the wall and then assumptions are made. 

Most of the coaches that have been rumored to have "turned down Texas" haven't even been offered the job. 

I'm amazed people don't understand how this process works. Texas isn't just going to hire someone right off the bat. They are going to vet candidates, interview candidates and so on. If this wasn't the process there's a very good chance Briles would be our coach right now in football. Even if a hire is pretty much assumed Texas is going to go through the process of vetting candidates. 

I even tweeted before this coaching started that just wait for the number of "I love where I am at and I have no interest in the Texas job" responses from coaches. 

 
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We need a REAL AD!! Perrin doesn't know how to run a coaching search to save his life. Everyone knows pierce would take the job in a heartbeat, he has the connections and the resume to lead texas back to winning NC's but no he goes after coaches who will always turn down texas! Why does he do that? Because He doesn't know what the hell he is doing!

Patterson got a bad rep but he at least knew how to run a coaching search

 
I want a coach that is one of the top recruiters in the country. If someone comes in and starts to get the players again, the winning will be there.

Who out there is the best recruiter?

 
We need a REAL AD!! Perrin doesn't know how to run a coaching search to save his life. Everyone knows pierce would take the job in a heartbeat, he has the connections and the resume to lead texas back to winning NC's but no he goes after coaches who will always turn down texas! Why does he do that? Because He doesn't know what the hell he is doing!

Patterson got a bad rep but he at least knew how to run a coaching search
Well aren't you special.

 
We need a REAL AD!! Perrin doesn't know how to run a coaching search to save his life. Everyone knows pierce would take the job in a heartbeat, he has the connections and the resume to lead texas back to winning NC's but no he goes after coaches who will always turn down texas! Why does he do that? Because He doesn't know what the hell he is doing!

Patterson got a bad rep but he at least knew how to run a coaching search
Pierce comes with a $1 million dollar up-front cost called a buyout. I would be extremely shocked if we paid that kind of money for Pierce.

 
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AAS saying we have interviewed Pierce and Whitting. 

I've said before on this board that I'm a huge fan of Pierce. I would absolutely love that hire. Even over most of the guys mentioned in this thread. 

 
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We need a REAL AD!! Perrin doesn't know how to run a coaching search to save his life. Everyone knows pierce would take the job in a heartbeat, he has the connections and the resume to lead texas back to winning NC's but no he goes after coaches who will always turn down texas! Why does he do that? Because He doesn't know what the hell he is doing!

Patterson got a bad rep but he at least knew how to run a coaching search
yep. No way an idiot like Perrin could have found a football coach that could go 11-14 in two years. Thanks Steve!
 
AAS saying we have interviewed Pierce and Whitting.

I've said before on this board that I'm a huge fan of Pierce. I would absolutely love that hire. Even over most of the guys mentioned in this thread.
I am going to disagree with you and say that I don't think Pierce is the best hire.

 
I still think that O'Sullivan is very much in play.  Let the College Baseball World Series play out, and then see what happens.  Think the Foley retirement will have a tremendous impact on this as well.  Not betting the house, but think O'Sullivan is our man.  By the way, I have absolutely no insight.  These are just my thoughts and feelings.

 
I am going to disagree with you and say that I don't think Pierce is the best hire.
Savage-didn't make the tournament last 2/3 years. Lost in regionals in the other year. No Texas connections

Casey-didn't make the tournament this year. Lost in regionals the previous 2 years. No Texas connections

I'll take Pierce over these 2 any day of the week. Savage and Casey were very good coaches and might still be very good coaches. Give me someone who is trending in the right direction though vs coaches that were good coaches a couple years ago. Not to mention Pierce also has connections to Texas. 

Outside of maybe O'Sullivan and O'Connor IMO every coach is a pretty big risk. Even Corbin is a risk who has used the extra scholarships to his advantage at Vandy. Not to mention the lack of Texas connections. 

This is why I hope the Texas athletic department is actually doing their due diligence and not excluding guys like Pierce. Pierce turned two programs that were on the verge of being dumpster fires (SHSU and Tulane) into pretty good ball clubs. If you give Pierce talent like he had as an assistant coach at Rice, he'll win big. 

 
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Savage-didn't make the tournament last 2/3 years. Lost in regionals in the other year. No Texas connections

Casey-didn't make the tournament this year. Lost in regionals the previous 2 years. No Texas connections

I'll take Pierce over these 2 any day of the week. Savage and Casey were very good coaches and might still be very good coaches. Give me someone who is trending in the right direction though vs coaches that were good coaches a couple years ago. Not to mention Pierce also has connections to Texas.

Outside of maybe O'Sullivan and O'Connor IMO every coach is a pretty big risk. Even Corbin is a risk who has used the extra scholarships to his advantage at Vandy. Not to mention the lack of Texas connections.

This is why I hope the Texas athletic department is actually doing their due diligence and not excluding guys like Pierce. Pierce turned two programs that were on the verge of being dumpster fires (SHSU and Tulane) into pretty good ball clubs. If you give Pierce talent like he had as an assistant coach at Rice, he'll win big.
I thought Pierce was waiting for Graham to retire so he can take over the Rice program.

 
I thought Pierce was waiting for Graham to retire so he can take over the Rice program.
Could be. I've seen no confirmation this is true from anyone with credibility. Seems like an online rumor type thing. Pretty sure the same rumor exists for Lance Berkman.  

Texas is a perfect fit for Pierce IMO. Pierce has shown the ability to win with below average to average talent at SHSU and Tulane. Texas baseball recruits by itself. Pierce just needs a program where he can land some top tier talent. 

 
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Could be. I've seen no confirmation this is true from anyone with credibility. Seems like an online rumor type thing. Pretty sure the same rumor exists for Lance Berkman.  

Texas is a perfect fit for Pierce IMO. Pierce has shown the ability to win with below average to average talent at SHSU and Tulane. Texas baseball recruits by itself. Pierce just needs a program where he can land some top tier talent. 
Not that I am giving credibility to any rumors or advocating for it, but Rice would seem to be a pretty good fit for Pierce, also.

 
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