I am very, VERY concerned

[streettopeschel]

Duke, i'm in favor of moving the game off T/Giving also as i said above, only much more succintly.

Curiously, if the ags are beating us to a pulp in all things marketing and media, why are they now scheduling a game opposite the nfl on thursday night? is it only a bad idea that UT is doing it or is it bad a&m is doing it as well?

Unless one of the 4 college teams catches lightening and is in the NC discussion and SF/SEA both are surprisingly bad, nobody outside the fanbases will care about the college games.

 

[Randolph Duke]

That's a good idea regardless of whether the 'the sky is falling' scenario is true or not.

If Patterson doesn't include something like Monument Park in the South End Zone project, I will personally hang him in effigy. I am hoping someone pushes the idea of an end zone club with windows on the field side for games as well as on the south side for a see through appearance and views of the Capitol also. When it is off-season, use the facility as a high end steakhouse restaurant that is open to the public and put cases along the walls that will contain various displays of school sports hardware. Rent it out for private events so people who want to hold wedding receptions and the like will have one of the best views available in the city. It would be one of the more unique restaurants in the city. 

The idea to use the Thanksgiving weekend game as a showcase of the program's accomplishments is a no brainer (which means Nick will never be in favor of it). No program in the state comes close to the hardware collection we have, but we make sure it never gets shown to the public. That it typical Bellmont stupidity. (even if they have to get replicas made of some for security reasons, do it). The first game on that Saturday would be great, because if you put on a good show, it gets repeated all day on SportsCenter. Remind the voters in the polls that Texas is the only school in the state that has really ever accomplished anything (except TCU in the 1930s). Use our political clout in the Legislature to push the damed constitutional amendment to end the status of aggy as a branch of the University of Texas and make sure that gets fed to the national sports media. Never let aggy forget that for the first 140 years of their existence, they were constitutionally a branch of UT. At the very least, start getting images of the Longhorn faithful like McConaughey, John Hamm and the rest of the gang who are media figures whilewearing their UT hats/shirts/crap. Use the advantages that come with our being the University of Texas.

We need to quit playing around and get control over the image of the program. Fire the whole damned marketing and media staff now in Bellmont and replace them with people who are actually competent. But that won't happen because we're Texas. 

 

[streettopeschel]

If Patterson doesn't include something like Monument Park in the South End Zone project, I will personally hang him in effigy. I am hoping someone pushes the idea of an end zone club with windows on the field side for games as well as on the south side for a see through appearance and views of the Capitol also. When it is off-season, use the facility as a high end steakhouse restaurant that is open to the public and put cases along the walls that will contain various displays of school sports hardware. Rent it out for private events so people who want to hold wedding receptions and the like will have one of the best views available in the city. It would be one of the more unique restaurants in the city. 

The idea to use the Thanksgiving weekend game as a showcase of the program's accomplishments is a no brainer (which means Nick will never be in favor of it). No program in the state comes close to the hardware collection we have, but we make sure it never gets shown to the public. That it typical Bellmont stupidity. (even if they have to get replicas made of some for security reasons, do it). The first game on that Saturday would be great, because if you put on a good show, it gets repeated all day on SportsCenter. Remind the voters in the polls that Texas is the only school in the state that has really ever accomplished anything (except TCU in the 1930s). Use our political clout in the Legislature to push the damed constitutional amendment to end the status of aggy as a branch of the University of Texas and make sure that gets fed to the national sports media. Never let aggy forget that for the first 140 years of their existence, they were constitutionally a branch of UT. 

We need to quit playing around and get control over the image of the program. Fire the whole damned marketing and media staff now in Bellmont and replace them with people who are actually competent. But that won't happen because we're Texas. 

seems reasonable. But where does one get one of those hangin' dummies ?

fwiw, i like your general concept.

 

[BudreauReye]

" ... I am hoping someone pushes the idea of an end zone club with windows on the field side for games as well as on the south side for a see through appearance and views of the Capitol also. When it is off-season, use the facility as a high end steakhouse restaurant that is open to the public and put cases along the walls that will contain various displays of school sports hardware. Rent it out for private events so people who want to hold wedding receptions and the like will have one of the best views available in the city. It would be one of the more unique restaurants in the city. 

 Use our political clout in the Legislature to push the damed constitutional amendment to end the status of aggy as a branch of the University of Texas and make sure that gets fed to the national sports media. Never let aggy forget that for the first 140 years of their existence, they were constitutionally a branch of UT. ..."

Randolf!  You are on a roll ... two more great ideas!

 

[bcherry168]

We will survive. Short term, the Ags may have an advantage, but over the long term we will be fine.

I would love to get someone like Notre Dame for a Thanksgiving home and home, but that is a pipe dream.

I wouldn't mind moving to Saturday, but the matchups would still be the same, and without the special day, would become a home and home. I suspect we make more money leaving it the way it is.

What is really going to count for the long run is performance. If we don't win, we will be in trouble. But it was always that way. Texas is Texas, and we will win. Or else.

I am very impressed with Charlie Strong so far. From what I have been able to observe, and the reports I have read, he is going about everything the right way Ultimately, football is about what he is bringing to the table: character, discipline, toughness and skill. We are going to do well.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

If Patterson doesn't include something like Monument Park in the South End Zone project, I will personally hang him in effigy. I am hoping someone pushes the idea of an end zone club with windows on the field side for games as well as on the south side for a see through appearance and views of the Capitol also. When it is off-season, use the facility as a high end steakhouse restaurant that is open to the public and put cases along the walls that will contain various displays of school sports hardware. Rent it out for private events so people who want to hold wedding receptions and the like will have one of the best views available in the city. It would be one of the more unique restaurants in the city. 

I'm not sure our new UT ambassador will appreciate a competing steakhouse...

http://www.vinceyoungsteakhouse.com/

 

[doc longhorn]

What is it you're trying to say?

TX recruits probably don't care about Miss State or Arky much, either.  The SEC won't be "rotating UF and UGA through Collie Station" because they've only got 8 SEC games - 6 of them are SEC West divisional games, crossover with South Carolina every year, leaving only ONE flex game with SEC East foes.  Aggie will see UF and UGA at home every 12 years.

Your concern about UT-TCU going head to head with LSU-aggie is legitimate, though.  Unless, of course, both UT and TCU are in the hunt for a Big12 championship.  Otherwise, we'll probably lose that ratings battle.  But, look at it this way - aggie got worked the past two years against LSU with "the greatest player in aggie history" at QB.  May not be a positive for them.

Perhaps the days of scheduling a Thanksgiving game are over for UT anyway, unless we can get Notre Dame.  The NFL has taken over that day.  Nationally, both CFB games will probably get killed.

Obviously, my point was missed.  I don't know why, however.

Here it is in a semi-nutshell. 

Those that prefer Pro games over college games will not watch college games on Thanksgiving or any other day the pros conflict with college.

This is NOT the issue!

The issue is the SEC promoting the SEC and the aggys on Thanksgiving - a traditional aggy/UT game day in the past.  The issue is Slives attempt to promote aggy and diminish UT in the state of Texas.  The issue is the aggy, LSU and SEC influence in UT's backyard - at the detriment of UT.  The issue is offering an aggy/LSU game in the face of UT/TCU - a helluva lot more entertaining for Texas recruits that are considering either aggy, UT or LSU.  The issue is being able to attend a game in collie station that they wouldn't attend in Miss, Alabama. or S. Carolina.

And, yes, the SEC WILL rotate head liner SEC teams through collie station.  Bet on it.

And, yes, the rest of the teams in the Big 12 will DAMN sure care what happens to Texas.  I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT RECRUITING AND IT WON'T MAKE A HILL OF BEANS WHAT AGGYS RECORD IS OR WILL BE. 

 

[BudreauReye]

I'm not sure our new UT ambassador will appreciate a competing steakhouse...

http://www.vinceyoungsteakhouse.com/

Count me as, "I don't really care!"    Man, some of us are grumpy, aren't we!  Thank goodness it is not me! 

The people who run Vince Young's Steak House can run the place if they are any good ... I would not know, I have never been there.  The folks who run The Carillon - a New American Grill could probably do a pretty good job of running it.

 

[streettopeschel]

Obviously, my point was missed.  I don't know why, however.

Here is is in a semi-nutshell. 

Those that prefer Pro games over college games will not watch college games on Thanksgiving or any other day the pros conflict with college.

This is NOT the issue!

The issue is the SEC promoting the SEC and the aggys on Thanksgiving - a traditional aggy/UT game day in the past.  The issue is Slives attempt to promote aggy and diminish UT in the state of Texas.  The issue is the aggy, LSU and SEC influence in UT's backyard - at the detriment of UT.  The issue is offering an aggy/LSU game in the face of UT/TCU - a helluva lot more entertaining for Texas recruits that are considering either aggy, UT or LSU.  The issue is being able to attend a game in collie station that they wouldn't attend in Miss, Alabama. or S. Carolina.

And, yes, the SEC WILL rotate head liner SEC teams through collie station.  Bet on it.

And, yes, the rest of the teams in the Big 12 will DAMN sure care what happens to Texas.  I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT RECRUITING AND IT WON'T MAKE A HILL OF BEANS WHAT AGGYS RECORD IS OR WILL BE. 

like who? on t/giving weekend, auburn plays bama, florida plays fla st, sc plays clemson and uga plays g/tech. thse are your sec head liners. which one is going to give up their rivalry game to go to b/cs?

 

[BudreauReye]

like who? on t/giving weekend, auburn plays bama, florida plays fla st, sc plays clemson and uga plays g/tech. thse are your sec head liners. which one is going to give up their rivalry game to go to b/cs?

I am afraid that this makes a lot of sense ... well, not really "afraid", street ... I mean, you have been known to make sense before.

I mean ... on other subjects! ... Aw, Hell!  I think that I will just quit while I am ahead!  But ... I will leave this here for everybody's entertainment ... or, the complete lack thereof! 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

like who? on t/giving weekend, auburn plays bama, florida plays fla st, sc plays clemson and uga plays g/tech. thse are your sec head liners. which one is going to give up their rivalry game to go to b/cs?

Bingo.

LSU is the best opponent aggie can hope for on Turkey Day.  I'm sure the SEC used that as an incentive to get them to come aboard, too.  I doubt Arkansas appreciated it, but maybe they can get excited about playing Mizzery.  Hell, maybe WE should consider scheduling Arkansas home & home on Thanksgiving weekend.  At least there's compelling history there.

And, yes, the SEC WILL rotate head liner SEC teams through collie station.  Bet on it.

Not on Thanksgiving they won't.  Your scenario doesn't jibe with the SEC's current scheduling model.  To review, each team plays 8 SEC games per year.  7 teams in the West division means 6 annual locked in games versus LSU, Bama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss State, & Auburn.  1 annual "crossover" game with South Carolina.  1 rotating game against remaining 6 SEC opponents.

Just reality.  Why would the SEC do anything more for aggie?  Why are they more important than Bama, UF, UGA, etc.?  I'm not trying to be confrontational, just want to understand why you think that way.  

Hypothetically, let's say aggie hosts LSU at 4-7 or 5-6 this year.  Do you really think that game will resonate with TX recruits more than a UT-TCU game with Big12 Championship implications?  God, I hope not.  Otherwise, I'm with RD...fire the whole UT marketing and publicity staff!

 

[doc longhorn]

like who? on t/giving weekend, auburn plays bama, florida plays fla st, sc plays clemson and uga plays g/tech. thse are your sec head liners. which one is going to give up their rivalry game to go to b/cs?

Sigh!  I wasn't talking just for Thanksgiving - although schedules can, for sure, be changed.  Particularly if it is in the best interests of the SEC - like recruiting in the state of Texas.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Sigh!  I wasn't talking just for Thanksgiving - although schedules can, for sure, be changed.  Particularly if it is in the best interests of the SEC - like recruiting in the state of Texas.

Relax, Doc. Don't get frustrated with us.

Schedules can be changed, but right now only Saban is interested in playing a 9-game SEC schedule.  Maybe that changes, but until it does...aggies' schedule is what it is.  You won't see UF, UGA, or UTe rolling into Collie Station on a regular basis.

The farmers' future slates are getting better with Arizona State & UCLA coming to town.  But, why the hell did they cancel series with USC and Oregon to replace with 2 other Pac12 teams? #aggielogic

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-15/sec/2015-texas-am-aggies-football-schedule.php

 

[monarch]

like who? on t/giving weekend, auburn plays bama, florida plays fla st, sc plays clemson and uga plays g/tech. thse are your sec head liners. which one is going to give up their rivalry game to go to b/cs?

your aforementioned statement is hereby correct streetopeschel.  however, just what is the relevancy?  DOC LONGHORN, is absolutely correct!  you guy's seem to be so very itching to RESPOND.. that you are not actually reading between the lines here.  so here it is once more for all to see... ATM, IS NOW ASSOCIATED WITH THE ALL POWERFUL SEC.  aTm chancellor john sharp, may not be very well liked across the great big state of ours, but please believe me the man is no (willie fufu) or so to speak. combine sharp's knowledge and dubious skill to manipulate and intimidate, along side the powers that be as per the SEC... and you had better be ready as per the maroon wave to start rising throughout this state.  they shall prepare and use every intangible that they now own.. to capitalize both financially, as well as recruitment wise, as per their new found momentum.

should TEXAS not find a unique and intelligent way to counter this momentum going forward (GETTING OUR COLLECTIVE ASSES OUT OF THE ANTIQUATED BIG XII)... we shall lose big time.  (and sharp along with the sec, are keenly aware of this)  you may count on it. 

 

[echeese]

The lack of a clue about what to do with the Thanksgiving game is part of a broader problem. The sclerosis that defines Bellmont has lead to the marketing of the program lacking any creativity. 

I've realized you subscribed to the Kirk Bohls brand of posting. . . .

TEXAS football draws the highest revenues (gross and net). . . I could care less about "creativity" when you are leading the nation .. . 

T Day night games were set up BEFORE the NFL went to a Thursday night game and BEFORE the SEC decided to allow anyone but Miss St/Ole Miss to play. . . .

Simple solution is going back to Friday afternoon/evening game where there is little to no competition for viewers but a large football hungry audience. . 

 

[streettopeschel]

Sigh!  I wasn't talking just for Thanksgiving - although schedules can, for sure, be changed.  Particularly if it is in the best interests of the SEC - like recruiting in the state of Texas.

well...it was a thread about aggy scheduling a game on thanksgiving so i guess i assumed you were. crazy me.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

should TEXAS not find a unique and intelligent way to counter this momentum going forward (GETTING OUR COLLECTIVE ASSES OUT OF THE ANTIQUATED BIG XII)... we shall lose big time.  (and sharp along with the sec, are keenly aware of this)  you may count on it. 

Well, then you'd better get prepared to lose BIG TIME to aggie and the SEC until 2025 because the Big12 owns our TV rights until then.  Only the outstanding lawsuits and a potential P5 breakaway are going to change our conference affiliation in the short-term.  That's a fact.

I guess the reality gets back to what RD is saying.  SEC and aggie's publicity and media departments do a helluva lot better job selling their products to prospective recruits than ours do.  Now that is something we can potentially control.

 

[joeywa]

Question for all those that are "VERY" concerned;  Did the people with less try to keep up with the Joneses, or did the Joneses try to keep up with everyone with less? 

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. 

Keep that in mind. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I've realized you subscribed to the Kirk Bohls brand of posting. . . .

TEXAS football draws the highest revenues (gross and net). . . I could care less about "creativity" when you are leading the nation .. . 

T Day night games were set up BEFORE the NFL went to a Thursday night game and BEFORE the SEC decided to allow anyone but Miss St/Ole Miss to play. . . .

Simple solution is going back to Friday afternoon/evening game where there is little to no competition for viewers but a large football hungry audience. . 

Agree that Bellmont is doing many things right (perhaps in spite of themselves), but there's obviously room for improvement. Otherwise why hire Disney as a consultant?  I'm with RD - a "Monument Park" accessible to all fans is a good idea.  

A tourist attraction for alumni & fans and a very positive way to promote Texas Football.

 

[doc longhorn]

well...it was a thread about aggy scheduling a game on thanksgiving so i guess i assumed you were. crazy me.

You are right.  I wasn't making mysef clear.