2023 Recruiting Board/Thread

[Eastexhorn]

Cupboard was bare for sark RoJo , Brob, Card and lots of others say hi. Got to change colture and get my players to me is justan excuse for not beeing the coach you expected. See DKR and Akers first years records.

Hope Sark has a great year but doutfull aboutdefense..

 

[Eastexhorn]

Agree!

I attended my first Texas game in 1977 and have been a fanatic ever since.

I can’t give statistics, but my eyeballs tell me last year was the least talented Texas team I’ve ever seen.  

Saw OU  and Texas in 49 or 50 and many ( on TV mostly) since. Last years team was very talented on offense, scored like the wishbone teams.

Defense not so much or was poorly coached. Both sides of the ball failed to adjust espicaly in second half.

But question was who had best recruiting classes Charlie or Tom.

 

[dssl]

  Really What would stat man NTG have to say.

Year    Number of class ranking  Number of recruits

2014   17----23      2015---10---29       2016   9---29   2017?-----25----18

2018    2-----26     2019----3-----26    2020----8----15    2021---15---23

Know you hate math. but there it is. Who was best at recruiting?

As far as how full the cupboard is it would seem more interesting to see how many players from each class got drafted and in which round.  If you recruit over rated players, or players that get kicked off the team, or fail to develop then the recruiting rankings can look way better then the actual level of football talent on the roster.

 

[Eastexhorn]

As far as how full the cupboard is it would seem more interesting to see how many players from each class got drafted and in which round.  If you recruit over rated players, or players that get kicked off the team, or fail to develop then the recruiting rankings can look way better then the actual level of football talent on the roster.

All well and good so who recruired  best classes, that is the question?

Then if one recruits 4&5 stars other 3&2 stars no doubt..

 

[BWilk55]

As far as how full the cupboard is it would seem more interesting to see how many players from each class got drafted and in which round.  If you recruit over rated players, or players that get kicked off the team, or fail to develop then the recruiting rankings can look way better then the actual level of football talent on the roster.

Gotta also consider bust rates - 2018 and 19 have very high bust rates. 

 

[dssl]

Gotta also consider bust rates - 2018 and 19 have very high bust rates. 

If you look at the number of players drafted from a recruiting class then players that are busts won't help that ranking, which is part of the issue. 

I'm not trying to say that recruiting rankings aren't important in evaluating a class on signing day, my point is that if you want to understand how much that class ends up helping the program and for this discussion how empty the cupboard was you should only care about the success of the players in that class. So if you have hindsight the recruiting rankings becomes mostly irrelevant.  

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Number of class shouldhave been ranking number year 2014 ranked 17 th no. in class  23

IMO these 24/7 rateing sort of proves who recruited best. But water under the bridge and matters little.

NeitherCharlie or Tom was able to win at Texas, jury is still out on Sark.

If powers to be had spent the money and hired Myer or Sabin we would truly be back.

Disagree. It is some times said that God's blessing to us is sometimes NOT answering our prayers. I don't know about Saban, but if we had gone the Meyer route we'd probably be in a mess by now.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Agree on Meyer did not want him but he would won asmany games as Charlie and Tom combined.

Sabin is only coach I can think of that has never burned out, just go on and on.

 

[Wayne]

Cupboard was bare for sark RoJo , Brob, Card and lots of others say hi. Got to change colture and get my players to me is justan excuse for not beeing the coach you expected. See DKR and Akers first years records.

Hope Sark has a great year but doutfull aboutdefense..

The cupboard was bare in the sense that we didn’t have a good offensive or defensive line.  

DKRs first year record was 6-4-1. Not exactly world beating. Akers first year was blessed with Earl’s Heisman as a gift from DKR. 

 

[TFloss32]

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[Eastexhorn]

The cupboard was bare in the sense that we didn’t have a good offensive or defensive line.  

DKRs first year record was 6-4-1. Not exactly world beating. Akers first year was blessed with Earl’s Heisman as a gift from DKR. 

Team was 1-9   0-6   Year before DKR. And Akers moved Earl to tail back in I formation. Both showed coaching moves.

Year before Akers team was 5-5-1 went 11-1.

How did Sark do vs Tom was it an improvement?

Hope Sark wins several natties but IMO hehas a lot to prove.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Saw OU  and Texas in 49 or 50 and many ( on TV mostly) since. Last years team was very talented on offense, scored like the wishbone teams.

Defense not so much or was poorly coached. Both sides of the ball failed to adjust espicaly in second half.

But question was who had best recruiting classes Charlie or Tom.

"Saw OU  and Texas in 49 or 50"

Say what! Am I reading that right?

 

[North Texas Golfer]

  Really What would stat man NTG have to say.

Year    Number of class ranking  Number of recruits

2014   17----23      2015---10---29       2016   9---29   2017?-----25----18

2018    2-----26     2019----3-----26    2020----8----15    2021---15---23

Know you hate math. but there it is. Who was best at recruiting?

"Really What would stat man NTG have to say."

The first thing NTG would say is that Tom inherited a team that went 16-21 the previous 3 years and Sark inherited a team that went 25-12 the previous 3 years ?

 

[Wayne]

Team was 1-9   0-6   Year before DKR. And Akers moved Earl to tail back in I formation. Both showed coaching moves.

Year before Akers team was 5-5-1 went 11-1.

How did Sark do vs Tom was it an improvement?

Hope Sark wins several natties but IMO hehas a lot to prove.

But your comparisons are 45 and 65 years ago. The game has changed.  The 5-5-1 was from DKR. Are you saying the recruiting had slacked off and he wasn’t coaching well either?  

Herman’s team the year before Sark took over was 7-3 and maybe he would have been better than 5-7 last year. But do you think we would been really better off with Herman?  We didn’t have one player drafted last year. Our offensive line and defensive lines couldn’t stop anything. Some of Our defensive backs quit on plays and got run off. The team was laughing and joking after a loss to an inferior team.  Sort of like Herman’s personality. 
 

A hard reset may have been necessary. The coach has to find out who wants to play. There’s been a lot of turnover and it doesn’t look like Sark is having a hard time convincing the kids. So I for one am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

When it comes to players being drafted who should get more credit?

1. Who recruited the players?

2. Who coached the players?

 

[Eastexhorn]

"Saw OU  and Texas in 49 or 50"

Say what! Am I reading that right?

Yes I Saw Texas and Ou play in Cotton bowl. Was visiting a friend and gottickets at Dallas jail, good place for cheap tickets at that time.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Yes the game has changed. Only last few yearshas football realy being played

Back in the ancient times players played both ways. Today have to rest playing oneway.

Maybe did not play 11 players and coaches just stood on side lines for show. Heck Horns went undeafeted one year without a coach.

No DKR was fed up with rampant  cheating going on by several teams. Like Brown loss his desire to coach.

Mathews commits Monday.

 

[Eastexhorn]

When it comes to players being drafted who should get more credit?

1. Who recruited the players?

2. Who coached the players?

I will go with #2 t I think my DKR and Akers post on thier first years record. proved that.

Then thats was years ago and does not count.?

 

[dssl]

When it comes to players being drafted who should get more credit?

1. Who recruited the players?

2. Who coached the players?

Both coaches share the credit,  or blame so it's definitely not completely straightforward, but if you want to measure how full or empty the cupboard is then to me that is the best measure. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Yes the game has changed. Only last few yearshas football realy being played

Back in the ancient times players played both ways. Today have to rest playing oneway.

Maybe did not play 11 players and coaches just stood on side lines for show. Heck Horns went undeafeted one year without a coach.

No DKR was fed up with rampant  cheating going on by several teams. Like Brown loss his desire to coach.

Mathews commits Monday.

Part of the problem back then was football wasn't as widespread and popular as it is today and there certainly wasn't the financial incentive there is today.

Another part of the difference is simply a much, much larger population – everywhere. Whereas there was once only one, two or three studs on a team today there can be a dozen or so.

And lastly, coaching matters. It always will. Jerry Jones once said any coach could have coached the '93 Cowboys to the Super Bowl. He lives to regret that statement in no time.

Jimmy Johnson is who made those Cowboys what they were.