Hermann needs to go

[J.B. TexasEx]

 

[Sirhornsalot]

3. I will never admit aggy is better than us. 

Then it would be a good idea to not play them this year. lol

 

[Sirhornsalot]

It looks like no competition from USC as far as Urban.



THE CLAY HELTON GOOD LUCK TOUR ROLLS ON


The Dash has long been an admirer of the ability of USC coach Clay Helton (17) to doggedly cling to employment. He has been more lucky than good since Sam Darnold left school, and the good fortune has continued (perhaps even escalated) this season.










The compendium of good breaks:

* A 12-game schedule that was supposed to include games against Alabama, Notre Dame, Oregon and Washington was reduced to a six-game schedule that includes none of those opponents.

• A deflected-pass touchdown, onside kick and another touchdown all were required in the final three minutes to pull out a miracle win against Arizona State (18).
  

• With a game under their belt, the Trojans in Week 2 faced an Arizona (19) team picked last in the Pac-12 South, playing its first game of the season and first game in 352 days. Yet the Wildcats led in the final minute, when a Kedon Slovis pass slid through an Arizona player’s hands and went right to Amon-Ra St. Brown for a first down inside the 10-yard line. USC scored what would be the winning touchdown on the next play.
  

• With two games under their belt, the Trojans Saturday faced the last team in America to play a 2020 football game, Utah (20). The Utes looked very much like a team that had gone 327 days between games. USC won, 33–17.
  

So here Helton sits, 3–0 and with the next three scheduled games all in greater Los Angeles: Colorado on Saturday, Washington State on Dec. 4, and then at UCLA on Dec. 12. Win the first two and the Pac-12 South will belong to the Trojans. Will a coach get fired amid a budget-straining pandemic while winning his division?

It’s not out of the question that Clay Helton is two wins away from securing a lucky seventh season at USC. Stay tuned.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/11/23/dabo-swinny-fsu-clemson-byu-washington-playoff

I have heard Auburn may try to jump in on the Urban sweepstakes. They're in the same boat we're in though. Still have a HC.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

?? I had to come comment me use someone told I often had to be corrected... and that person didn’t know how to spell a name. And now that person just said a&m beat Florida at Florida... ??.. that guy was corrected & never admitted he made a mistake there. ??

I do hope you recover from the obvious train wreck going on inside your head because I misspelled a word. lol

Just let me know when I can pick up my mail. I'm obviously living rent free in your head.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I have heard Auburn may try to jump in on the Urban sweepstakes. They're in the same boat we're in though. Still have a HC.

UM will probably leverage Auburn's interest for a bigger payday, but I've gotta believe he'd rather have the TEXAS job. Please, sweet baby Jesus wrapped in swaddling clothes by all that is holy...

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Come on, that's uncalled for. 

No, it really isn't. F@#K aggy 

 

[hornsups]

?? misspelled a word. A person with common sense and/or book sense would say I misspelled a name. Not a word. But yeah at least that guy admitted he misspelled a name... but notice he didn’t admit he was wrong when he said a&m beat Florida, at Florida. Because he was wrong & he was trying to use that in an argument he was making. ???

But on topic. Herman also makes me mad because he puts me in this position where I don’t mind if we lose. I cannot bring myself to root for us to lose but I’m on this weird space where I’m ok if we do. I don’t like it. 
 

Also... if the Football Gods allow us to fire Herman and hire Urban Meyer. Who do you guys think/want him to bring on staff??

I think he likes Ash so he would stay. Hopefully that means OG stays and at least Coleman Hutzler. On offense I heard something about Mark Heilfritch as a possible OC. That would be interesting. As long as Herb Hand is gone, it’s a win in my book. 

 

[primal defense]

I have heard Auburn may try to jump in on the Urban sweepstakes. They're in the same boat we're in though. Still have a HC.

I doubt he would want to go to Auburn if the Texas job is open. Texas is the top job in the Big 12 and USC is the top job in the Pac 12. Auburn is the fifth or sixth job in the SEC. Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU and maybe A&M are better jobs than Auburn.
 
I heard Urban has a monster ego and I doubt he would want to go to a school that is not even the best program in the state. As far as getting his wife permission, he was all set to take the Dallas Cowboy job last year if it was offered.
 
15. Auburn

If your ego can handle being the second-most important coach in the state, then Auburn can be a destination job. The school — with its fine tradition, strong facilities and outstanding recruiting base — has proven over time that it can compete on a national level.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-all-130-college-football-coaching-jobs-2019


Urban Meyer “absolutely” would take Cowboys job


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/19/urban-meyer-absolutely-would-take-cowboys-job/
 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

 

[primal defense]

?? misspelled a word. A person with common sense and/or book sense would say I misspelled a name. Not a word. But yeah at least that guy admitted he misspelled a name... but notice he didn’t admit he was wrong when he said a&m beat Florida, at Florida. Because he was wrong & he was trying to use that in an argument he was making. ???

But on topic. Herman also makes me mad because he puts me in this position where I don’t mind if we lose. I cannot bring myself to root for us to lose but I’m on this weird space where I’m ok if we do. I don’t like it. 
 

Also... if the Football Gods allow us to fire Herman and hire Urban Meyer. Who do you guys think/want him to bring on staff??

I think he likes Ash so he would stay. Hopefully that means OG stays and at least Coleman Hutzler. On offense I heard something about Mark Heilfritch as a possible OC. That would be interesting. As long as Herb Hand is gone, it’s a win in my book. 

I would think that Mike Yurcich would have a good chance to come back as OC. He's running Meyer's offense and I would think the problem is the offensive line. I agree with the removal of Herb Hand.

 

[Bear19]

I would think that Mike Yurcich would have a good chance to come back as OC. He's running Meyer's offense and I would think the problem is the offensive line. I agree with the removal of Herb Hand.

I think he’s actually running Tom’s offense.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I doubt he would want to go to Auburn if the Texas job is open. Texas is the top job in the Big 12 and USC is the top job in the Pac 12. Auburn is the fifth or sixth job in the SEC. Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU and maybe A&M are better jobs than Auburn.
 
I heard Urban has a monster ego and I doubt he would want to go to a school that is not even the best program in the state. As far as getting his wife permission, he was all set to take the Dallas Cowboy job last year if it was offered.
 
15. Auburn

If your ego can handle being the second-most important coach in the state, then Auburn can be a destination job. The school — with its fine tradition, strong facilities and outstanding recruiting base — has proven over time that it can compete on a national level.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-all-130-college-football-coaching-jobs-2019


Urban Meyer “absolutely” would take Cowboys job


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/19/urban-meyer-absolutely-would-take-cowboys-job/
 

I guess I'm missing where in that article that it says Urban was set to take the Dallas job if offered or where he says that he would absolutely take the Cowboys job. 

Kind of looks like to me that the guy who wrote the article is putting words into Urban's mouth.

 

[oldhorn2]

If Urban comes here I would not care if he brought Glaydis Knight and the Pips on staff. He could show up with whomever he wanted.....

 

[primal defense]

I guess I'm missing where in that article that it says Urban was set to take the Dallas job if offered or where he says that he would absolutely take the Cowboys job. 

Kind of looks like to me that the guy who wrote the article is putting words into Urban's mouth.

Here's a more accurate title since it says he would be open. It doesn't sound like he's worried about health or getting his wife's permission.


Urban Meyer would 'absolutely' be open to taking Dallas Cowboys coaching job if an offer came his way


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/urban-meyer-would-absolutely-be-open-to-taking-dallas-cowboys-coaching-job-if-an-offer-came-his-way/

 

[primal defense]

I think he’s actually running Tom’s offense.

Yes, it's Herman's offense. I know that Yurcich had to learn UT's terminology. Meyer calls his offense the power spread and Herman's is called the pro spread offense. 
 
I'm sure there are differences, but Yurcich would have an advantage knowing Meyer's offense from his one year at Ohio State.
 
 
 
Many coaches, including Meyer, have said that zone blocking plays are “finesse” runs. Meyer has always viewed his offense as a power attack, albeit one run from the spread, but Herman helped convert him, resulting in Ohio State building its offense around the inside zone, with quarterback reads and receiver screens coming off that same basic action. Meyer bought in because the Buckeyes’ version is all about power: It’s a true gut shot right up the middle, with the runner aiming for the “A” gaps next to the center.
 
 
https://grantland.com/the-triangle/college-football-playoff-ohio-state-oregon-ducks-urban-meyer-tom-herman-offense/#:~:text=Meyer has always viewed his offense as a,receiver screens coming off that same basic action.
 

 

[primal defense]

They have UT playing LSU in the Texas Bowl. If that happens it should be called the make up Covid Bowl. It would be a chance for Chris Ash to get a win on his record.


Bowl Projections




https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/bowls/predictions/

 

[Drb522]

If you don’t want to take my word on this then take a little time and see what was happening in the months heading up to Mack’s resignation with the people involved in this power play (pardon the pun). I was told this by a booster who definitely has enough stroke to know what happens behind the scenes. 
A couple of the more renegade donors had decided they wanted Mack gone so they met with Dodds and told him they wanted a change. Of course Dodds and Mack were good friends and he told them he supported Mack completely and that was out of the question. As you might expect the boosters didn’t like being told no so they decided if Dodds wouldn’t play along then it was time for a new AD. Next they set a meeting with Bill Powers (UT President at the time) and told him they wanted Mack gone and Dodds won’t do it so they wanted Dodds moved out. As you might expect Power’s didn’t appreciate them telling him who to hire or fire so he refused as well. He basically told them he didn’t work for them and as the President he made those decisions based on what was best for the University not by pressure from Alumni. The boosters were not happy with Powers response but instead of taking no for an answer they decided it was time for a new President or at least someone to push him to “play along”. This is the tricky part because the President doesn’t have a direct supervisor he answers to the Board of Regents so in order for him to be convinced or dismissed they would need enough Regents to agree. That would take a massive amount of time and convincing so they decided it would be more efficient to have a couple of new Regents that represented their agenda. They decided a meeting with Governor Perry was needed. They made an appointment and explained to him the whole story and what the needed. During this meeting they gave him two options. He could appoint a few regents that they wanted and they would generously give to his campaign fund or he could choose not to make the appointments and they would contribute enough money to whoever his next opponent was to ensure they won. Unlike the other folks these guys approached Slick Rick was a die hard politician and really enjoyed his position. He also had higher aspirations and knew these were the kind of people he needed on his side so he agreed to help. Perry was never a big fan of Bill Powers but he really turned up the heat in the early part of 2013. He basically told him to get on board, resign or be fired. The soured relationship between Perry and Powers was well documented in the press. The reason for the sudden urgency however was not made public. With the increased pressure being applied Powers told Dodds  it was probably time to move on because he would not be able to protect him much longer. In October Dodds made the announcement he would be resigning as the AD. Mack knowing what was next followed suit and retired in December. Powers bought himself a couple of years but probably didn’t enjoy them. 
 

Do not underestimate what the UT  big money donors, or any billionaire for that matter, are capable of doing once they set their mind on something 

I’m not be surprised by anything they do.  They are the reason Texas had to settle for Charlie strong and Texas is average with Tom Herman.  

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I’m not be surprised by anything they do.  They are the reason Texas had to settle for Charlie strong and Texas is average with Tom Herman.  

No, Charlie Strong is on Patterson. Patterson pretty much blocked everybody else out.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

If you don’t want to take my word on this then take a little time and see what was happening in the months heading up to Mack’s resignation with the people involved in this power play (pardon the pun). I was told this by a booster who definitely has enough stroke to know what happens behind the scenes. 
A couple of the more renegade donors had decided they wanted Mack gone so they met with Dodds and told him they wanted a change. Of course Dodds and Mack were good friends and he told them he supported Mack completely and that was out of the question. As you might expect the boosters didn’t like being told no so they decided if Dodds wouldn’t play along then it was time for a new AD. Next they set a meeting with Bill Powers (UT President at the time) and told him they wanted Mack gone and Dodds won’t do it so they wanted Dodds moved out. As you might expect Power’s didn’t appreciate them telling him who to hire or fire so he refused as well. He basically told them he didn’t work for them and as the President he made those decisions based on what was best for the University not by pressure from Alumni. The boosters were not happy with Powers response but instead of taking no for an answer they decided it was time for a new President or at least someone to push him to “play along”. This is the tricky part because the President doesn’t have a direct supervisor he answers to the Board of Regents so in order for him to be convinced or dismissed they would need enough Regents to agree. That would take a massive amount of time and convincing so they decided it would be more efficient to have a couple of new Regents that represented their agenda. They decided a meeting with Governor Perry was needed. They made an appointment and explained to him the whole story and what the needed. During this meeting they gave him two options. He could appoint a few regents that they wanted and they would generously give to his campaign fund or he could choose not to make the appointments and they would contribute enough money to whoever his next opponent was to ensure they won. Unlike the other folks these guys approached Slick Rick was a die hard politician and really enjoyed his position. He also had higher aspirations and knew these were the kind of people he needed on his side so he agreed to help. Perry was never a big fan of Bill Powers but he really turned up the heat in the early part of 2013. He basically told him to get on board, resign or be fired. The soured relationship between Perry and Powers was well documented in the press. The reason for the sudden urgency however was not made public. With the increased pressure being applied Powers told Dodds  it was probably time to move on because he would not be able to protect him much longer. In October Dodds made the announcement he would be resigning as the AD. Mack knowing what was next followed suit and retired in December. Powers bought himself a couple of years but probably didn’t enjoy them. 
 

Do not underestimate what the UT  big money donors, or any billionaire for that matter, are capable of doing once they set their mind on something 

Thats a pretty good accounting of what went down. Good stuff.

 

[RickyFlair]

I’m not be surprised by anything they do.  They are the reason Texas had to settle for Charlie strong and Texas is average with Tom Herman.  

They were also the reason Saban was set to take the job and they will be the reason Urban Meyer comes. The University and Athletic program cannot do the work behind the scenes or spend the money required to buy out Herman and pay a top coach. Our boosters are definitely more involved than at some schools but when someone pours several million dollars in to an organization they are allowed, whether you agree or not, a little more latitude. By the way Saban got a bump at Bama but it paled in comparison to what he would have received from Texas. The number that was floating around was $10 mill a year plus partial ownership in a Texas Boosters business that would have given him an additional  $2 - $3 million annually. So, yes he got an additional $2 mill out of the courtship but he left $6 million more on the table.