Hermann needs to go

[aUTfan]

Bama doesn't have lightning in a bottle. They just were the benefit of timing and paying attention to the scene. Like Urban is now, Saban was there for the taking. He couldn't go back to LSU, but he could go to Bama and still coach in the SEC. To that point, Bama was a poster of inconsistency. Crash and burn coaches, even ran Gene Stallings out of town despite him winning a NC there.

Saban has a system. He works the system and the system works.

lightening in the bottle several times.....not just saban but Bear Bryant. that was my point. They've done it twice now.

 

[The Tinman]

The fact that Herman is in his 4th year of building his program and the outcome of todays contest is in doubt is enough for me to say FIRE HERMAN !!! I fully expect to see the Horns continue to struggle running the ball. I expect to see poor pass protection. I expect to see dumb penalties. I expect to see poor ST plays. I expect to see CB tear the defense apart passing to wide open WR's..I expect to see poor tackling. I expect to players leave the field wo staying for the alma mater..etc..etc ..oh and I expect to see 1st yr HC aranda leave Austin with a Win..this is an indictment of Herman and his whole staff.. I hope I am wrong but right now it sure dont feel like it!

 

[primal defense]

Oh yes sorry I left out the fact with 3 games left  Minnesota had to win ONE of Wisconsin or Iowa and lost both. I guarantee you I have watched more Minnesota games under Fleck than anyone on this board has, he’s great at a place like Minnesota and has done great things with that program. I just prefer someone who’s won something before Texas. FWIW Herman first Houston team finished #8 and Charlie’s 2012 ( I believe) beat a good Florida team in the sugar bowl and finished top 10 ish I believe. If your willing to hire another wildcard guy that’s you cuz I sure as hell don’t.

I get it. You  want more of a sure thing like Urban and it looks like that will be the guy. Just because Strong and Herman failed doesn't mean Fleck or another coach would fail here.
 
The last two coaches OU has hired Stoops and Riley had no prior head coaching experience and they were both great hires

 

[aUTfan]

He picked MSU's program off the ground. This is why he was hired away by LSU. LSU was just beginning to rise as a program under Saban.

But we're not after the next Saban anyway. We're after the proven commodity. Saban was still young back then.

Why would we limit ourselves to the proven commodity when the next Nick Saban might be there?

and I don't think Del Conte is limiting himself actually. I remember reading about how he approaches his coaching vacancies when he was at TCU. He said he always had a list of potential coaches, up and coming coaches or proven coaches that would be a good fit (this is generalized mind you, not word for word). My preference is I hope no one pressures Del Conte on a hire, Del Conte is paid to make these decisions and he made pretty good decisions at TCU, he needs to be trusted to make it otherwise he may be pressured into a decision that maybe he didn't really want to do. We will see. I like the hiring decisions he made at TCU and apparently so did Texas so, let him do his job. He will be terminated too if he underperforms. 

I'm watching to see how he handles the baseball program, its also underperforming, I love Texas baseball about as much as football, I miss Augie Garrido's baseball program, his teams may not have the greatest regular season and then all of a sudden they would lock down and make a magical unexpected run, it was amazing to watch and he was a heck of a baseball coach.

Oh, and I'm LOVING the softball hire, i had high expectations this year, softball in this state is dang good and its one of those programs that underperforms at all the colleges in the state considering the talent here.

 

[aUTfan]

Not sure that anyone really saw anything in Saban while at MSU that indicated greatness. He coached five years at MSU and had one "great" year. His first four years, his record was 25-22-1. He went 9-2 in his 5th and final season there. 

From there he went to LSU where his first 3 years were not all that much different than Herman's first 3 years at Texas. 

You could see Saban's greatness as early as his Michigan State years.

Yes, I did see it, have to agree with SHA but i agree with part of your point because it aligns with why PJ Fleck should be in the conversation. I watch for teams that are outperforming their "class" (for lack of a better term), I watched the mich st games sometimes and even though he didn't win some of his games early on, he was giving other teams fits that had way more talent then he did. These are indications that he can coach and get more out of kids then others, i.e. Matt Rhule @Baylor, Mack Brown did it last year in North Carolina (almost knocked off Clemson) and PJ Fleck seems to be doing it at Minnesota (although I haven't watched but one of his games so I really cant speak to him). I really thought Franklin would be in the playoffs by now but Ohio St. keeps knocking him off, kind of makes me wonder, if he were to come here, would he ever get us over the hump with OU?

Speaking along these same lines, its why I've been keeping my eye on the Kansas St. head coach, the guy can coach, hes at another school that really has to do a great job evaluating talent and coaching in order to compete, just like Snyder did. time will tell with him and I hope hes successful, we really need a strong big XII in my opinion to keep more of these kids from going to the SEC. The exodus has accelerated with a down OU and Texas still struggling and now Matt Rhule is gone, Texas Tech is going through another coach, its a bad cycle right now. Its eerily similar to the final years of the southwest conference.

 

[TexCoyote]

This is a make or break for Herman today. If they come in and lose and have their usual 10+ penalties, a blocked punt, couple of turnovers........then it’s just not going to work out. If this is the case, I’d probably do it now and let Urban come in and talk to all the commitments and give recruiting a shot in the arm. 

 

[Ntx dog]

The fact that Herman is in his 4th year of building his program and the outcome of todays contest is in doubt is enough for me to say FIRE HERMAN !!! I fully expect to see the Horns continue to struggle running the ball. I expect to see poor pass protection. I expect to see dumb penalties. I expect to see poor ST plays. I expect to see CB tear the defense apart passing to wide open WR's..I expect to see poor tackling. I expect to players leave the field wo staying for the alma mater..etc..etc ..oh and I expect to see 1st yr HC aranda leave Austin with a Win..this is an indictment of Herman and his whole staff.. I hope I am wrong but right now it sure dont feel like it!

Yeah , not sure how much of this game I'll be able to stand. Have zero confidence of winning this game. Don't we have a couple of hot shot recruits attending this one. On a side note RIP Jerry Jeff Walker.

 

[primal defense]

Yeah , not sure how much of this game I'll be able to stand. Have zero confidence of winning this game. Don't we have a couple of hot shot recruits attending this one. On a side note RIP Jerry Jeff Walker.

I remember Jerry Jeff. I didn't realize that he wrote Mr. Bojangles.

 

[dillohorn]

This is a make or break for Herman today. If they come in and lose and have their usual 10+ penalties, a blocked punt, couple of turnovers........then it’s just not going to work out. If this is the case, I’d probably do it now and let Urban come in and talk to all the commitments and give recruiting a shot in the arm. 

I've already seen enough.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Yes, I did see it, have to agree with SHA but i agree with part of your point because it aligns with why PJ Fleck should be in the conversation. I watch for teams that are outperforming their "class" (for lack of a better term), I watched the mich st games sometimes and even though he didn't win some of his games early on, he was giving other teams fits that had way more talent then he did. These are indications that he can coach and get more out of kids then others, i.e. Matt Rhule @Baylor, Mack Brown did it last year in North Carolina (almost knocked off Clemson) and PJ Fleck seems to be doing it at Minnesota (although I haven't watched but one of his games so I really cant speak to him). I really thought Franklin would be in the playoffs by now but Ohio St. keeps knocking him off, kind of makes me wonder, if he were to come here, would he ever get us over the hump with OU?

Speaking along these same lines, its why I've been keeping my eye on the Kansas St. head coach, the guy can coach, hes at another school that really has to do a great job evaluating talent and coaching in order to compete, just like Snyder did. time will tell with him and I hope hes successful, we really need a strong big XII in my opinion to keep more of these kids from going to the SEC. The exodus has accelerated with a down OU and Texas still struggling and now Matt Rhule is gone, Texas Tech is going through another coach, its a bad cycle right now. Its eerily similar to the final years of the southwest conference.

I am obviously thinking of a different Nick Saban that coached at MSU from 1995 to 1999 ?

 

[dillohorn]

Yeah , not sure how much of this game I'll be able to stand. Have zero confidence of winning this game. Don't we have a couple of hot shot recruits attending this one. On a side note RIP Jerry Jeff Walker.

Saw him live in Jackson, Wyo many years ago.

 

[Ntx dog]

I've already seen enough.

If he hasn't fixed it after 3 years and 4 games, 2 weeks off isn't going to make much if any difference.

 

[TexCoyote]

You know coaching hires that work other places don’t seem to work at Texas. I’m not for sure what it is. The culture? I just don’t know. We been pretty much down for 10 years. I’ve said in early post that I don’t want to get another young up and comer. Those just don’t hardly work out here. I want as close to a for sure thing as we can get. You’re not going to probably get an NFL guy that is currently successful. The only sure college guy that i see is a studio analyst right now. If anyone see any more for sure things, I’d be glad to hear it

 

[North Texas Golfer]

You know coaching hires that work other places don’t seem to work at Texas. I’m not for sure what it is. The culture? I just don’t know. We been pretty much down for 10 years. I’ve said in early post that I don’t want to get another young up and comer. Those just don’t hardly work out here. I want as close to a for sure thing as we can get. You’re not going to probably get an NFL guy that is currently successful. The only sure college guy that i see is a studio analyst right now. If anyone see any more for sure things, I’d be glad to hear it

There are currently only 3 sure-fire, can't miss coaches at this time. Urban, Nick, and Dabo. After that it's a crap-shoot. And there are a lot of coaches that were young up and comers that have been successful. 

 

[primal defense]

This is a make or break for Herman today. If they come in and lose and have their usual 10+ penalties, a blocked punt, couple of turnovers........then it’s just not going to work out. If this is the case, I’d probably do it now and let Urban come in and talk to all the commitments and give recruiting a shot in the arm. 

It only makes sense to fire Herman before the season is over if it's good for the team. I have heard that the players work hard and are motivated, however if Herman should lose the team then it may make sense to fire him before the season is over. 
 
Covid has made it to where athletes will be afforded a one-time transfer without penalty. Bijan Robinson could be playing at Ohio State next year and Alfred Collins could be an aggie, so any changes should keep that in mind.  
 
Urban was hired by Ohio State on November 28 and he got six recruits to switch from other Big 10 schools. So, if we fire Herman on December 1st then Meyer will have time to help recruiting.  Luke Finkle was the interim coach for the Bowl and Urban concentrated on recruiting and Ohio State finished sixth in the country.

 

[Ntx dog]

Herman fooled us in 2018. But if you look at that season game by game, that team really was not much differant from year 1, 2 and 4 to this point. My only fear is he pulls it out of his ass ans somehow wins out. Not at all likely but I shudder at the thought.

 

[Mitch Lovell]

I get it. You  want more of a sure thing like Urban and it looks like that will be the guy. Just because Strong and Herman failed doesn't mean Fleck or another coach would fail here.
 
The last two coaches OU has hired Stoops and Riley had no prior head coaching experience and they were both great hires

More than anything I’d just prefer someone who’s proven they can win at a power 5 doesn’t have to be urban although that’s the preference. To me one good year in the big 10 west isn’t much different than Herman or Charlie’s resume and that scares me. Regardless Fleck won’t be the coach unless things go south.

 

[DMAC]

Even if Herman wins out, which is highly unlikely, I want him gone.  Its not just about coaching and player development anymore.  His attitude and arrogance after losing to the worst ou team in decades has forever sealed my opinion of him.  Herman is a fraud and hopefully we are working on securing Meyer.  Meyer is arrogant as well but I highly doubt the guy would all smiles after losing to ou.  Herman cares more about activism than he does about our school. fk him

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Why would we limit ourselves to the proven commodity when the next Nick Saban might be there?

and I don't think Del Conte is limiting himself actually. I remember reading about how he approaches his coaching vacancies when he was at TCU. He said he always had a list of potential coaches, up and coming coaches or proven coaches that would be a good fit (this is generalized mind you, not word for word). My preference is I hope no one pressures Del Conte on a hire, Del Conte is paid to make these decisions and he made pretty good decisions at TCU, he needs to be trusted to make it otherwise he may be pressured into a decision that maybe he didn't really want to do. We will see. I like the hiring decisions he made at TCU and apparently so did Texas so, let him do his job. He will be terminated too if he underperforms. 

I'm watching to see how he handles the baseball program, its also underperforming, I love Texas baseball about as much as football, I miss Augie Garrido's baseball program, his teams may not have the greatest regular season and then all of a sudden they would lock down and make a magical unexpected run, it was amazing to watch and he was a heck of a baseball coach.

Oh, and I'm LOVING the softball hire, i had high expectations this year, softball in this state is dang good and its one of those programs that underperforms at all the colleges in the state considering the talent here.

Because we've removed all doubt that we're just not very good at this coaching hire thing. We've wasted years on the next great thing. Fools gold.

Give me Urban. Now.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Hermans best chance of winning out, is setting in the empty band seats.

Let the two cords. run the team.