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Do not know about his cooking but so far his recruiting wont cut it

Maybe al of a dozen eggs in one basket and someone else made the omelet.

 
Are my orange colored glasses tinted too much burnt orange?  I don't get all the fire Tom stuff across the boards?  He made a mistake with some of the staff he brought over in thinking it would produce the same results as it did at Houston.  I know i wouldn't change something that worked before.  However, he saw it didn't work and made the difficult decision to part ways with coaches he was comfortable with. No matter how you slice it, that is difficult in any profession.  To his credit, he made the changes. He has had good to great classes that are just now getting ready to pay off on paper.  He has led UT to 3 straight quality bowl wins and winning seasons after taking over a program decimated by Mack's late years and the Strong era. I for one am happy in the direction of the program.  Sure, last year didn't live up to expectations, but the team was young (ish) and decimated by injuries. I know, no excuses, but it's a fact that affected the team. 

They lost out on the Brock's, but that seems more of something out of their control than something they didn't do.  By all reports, it sounds like UT did everything right in that recruitment and it didn't work out.  They still have a top 10 class, quality players at every position on the depth chart (including a QB room we haven't seen in years), and a foundation setup for future success.  Imo, this program is far and away in a better position than it was 3 years ago when he took over.  Sorry about the rant and I'm sure I'll get slammed.

 
Hand has not had an OL commit in over a year. He must be too busy cooking.  
True and a lot of people are starting to get concerned. Of course, our OL depth chart is deep now so that's been a hindrance to some extent.

 
Are my orange colored glasses tinted too much burnt orange?  I don't get all the fire Tom stuff across the boards?  He made a mistake with some of the staff he brought over in thinking it would produce the same results as it did at Houston.  I know i wouldn't change something that worked before.  However, he saw it didn't work and made the difficult decision to part ways with coaches he was comfortable with. No matter how you slice it, that is difficult in any profession.  To his credit, he made the changes. He has had good to great classes that are just now getting ready to pay off on paper.  He has led UT to 3 straight quality bowl wins and winning seasons after taking over a program decimated by Mack's late years and the Strong era. I for one am happy in the direction of the program.  Sure, last year didn't live up to expectations, but the team was young (ish) and decimated by injuries. I know, no excuses, but it's a fact that affected the team. 

They lost out on the Brock's, but that seems more of something out of their control than something they didn't do.  By all reports, it sounds like UT did everything right in that recruitment and it didn't work out.  They still have a top 10 class, quality players at every position on the depth chart (including a QB room we haven't seen in years), and a foundation setup for future success.  Imo, this program is far and away in a better position than it was 3 years ago when he took over.  Sorry about the rant and I'm sure I'll get slammed.
From what I've been able to gather, this decision as far as Papa Brock goes, had more to do with a challenged relationship with CTH than anything else. I'm sure the twins fell in love with Bama on their own and naturally. But Papa did not intervene on Texas behalf because there's friction there between he and CTH, from what I've been told.

Hand had nothing to do with the Brock's decision.

I think we pick up a couple more along the way, falling short of our goal of 4 OL in this class. From there, I think they grab a GT to fill in the spot.

 
@Sirhornsalot Where do you see the depth in Horns OL? I count 15 OL plus a former walk on deep snaper. Thats only three deep with no extras.

Recievers out nuber the OL.4 positiions vs 5

IMO every position shoud be three deep plus extras depending

OL shoud have  eighteen.

 
Are my orange colored glasses tinted too much burnt orange?  I don't get all the fire Tom stuff across the boards?  He made a mistake with some of the staff he brought over in thinking it would produce the same results as it did at Houston.  I know i wouldn't change something that worked before.  However, he saw it didn't work and made the difficult decision to part ways with coaches he was comfortable with. No matter how you slice it, that is difficult in any profession.  To his credit, he made the changes. He has had good to great classes that are just now getting ready to pay off on paper.  He has led UT to 3 straight quality bowl wins and winning seasons after taking over a program decimated by Mack's late years and the Strong era. I for one am happy in the direction of the program.  Sure, last year didn't live up to expectations, but the team was young (ish) and decimated by injuries. I know, no excuses, but it's a fact that affected the team. 

They lost out on the Brock's, but that seems more of something out of their control than something they didn't do.  By all reports, it sounds like UT did everything right in that recruitment and it didn't work out.  They still have a top 10 class, quality players at every position on the depth chart (including a QB room we haven't seen in years), and a foundation setup for future success.  Imo, this program is far and away in a better position than it was 3 years ago when he took over.  Sorry about the rant and I'm sure I'll get slammed.
Tom Herman destroyed Missouri in his first year. He beat ou in the Red River Shootout & destroyed Georgia (final score lies) on his way to a 10 win season. He definitely under achieved in year 3 but he then destroyed a team people thought was a top 10 one in Utah. I think he’s shown he can coach his ass off. And I think he will get 2 more years to show he can win here. And he should. The issue with Herman is he can coach, no doubt, but his decision making in games & with his personnel can be lacking. This doesn’t help when he’s present as Mensa Tom. Ok so he wanted to bring his staff with him from U of H. That’s noble, points for loyalty, but he did hire someone outside of that staff and it was Drew Mehringer. That’s a ding right there. He could have hired an ace recruiter and not have to deal with this inside/outside WR coach mess. So we then benefit from him bring on Rashaad Samples. He’s hiring again and he doesn’t think to make him a full time coach? You’ve seen him recruit for us. You reaped the rewards. How do you not make that happen? If he’s here, I like our chances of Savion Byrd committing. That would less the blow of Tommy B not committing. Not Samples, how about Emmett Jones? We didn’t want to pay that much for him? What are we doing if we have so much money but refuse to use it? Also, we suffered so many injuries last year, yet we didn’t think maybe it’s our S&C coach and his program? Mensa Tom should. Then you look at his in game calls and I don’t think anyone can look and see a guy who doesn’t come off as arrogant at times. It seems he refused to change his gameplan at times even when things weren’t working. Or things were working like the hurry up passing game against ISU and he felt he needed to prove we could run too. I think he if truly embraces letting Yurich take the offense and he will be better for it. He could spend more time watching film of opposing teams and of recruits. If he doesn’t, he will be gone in 2 years. At that point... I’m all in for Joe Brady.  Make that man an offer he cannot refuse. 

 
Yes Tom won at Houston then he had a lighting in a bottle QB and a once in a life time DT.

Doubt if he can recruit a top ten class this year. There are a few OL left but most are leaning to other teams comelate and miss the party.

 
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Great post!  I'm tired of hearing Hand needs to go.  Cosmi and Kerstetter are 2 of the highest rated returning OL in the B12.  Not bad for a couple of 3* recruits.  That's development and a testament to Hand as a developer. This OL room is the deepest it's been in a long time.  They have one blue chip in Tyler Johnson and the rest are low 4* and 3* recruits (Angilau was slightly rated higher).  We've heard nothing but good things about C. Jones, Ghirmai and R. Moore...all were lower rated.  The proof is in what we see on the field, but if it is true then Hand needs to be applauded for developing those kids.  Lightening may strike twice (Williams and Cosmi), but not 3 to 6 times.
Who is saying Hand needs to go?  I guess we read different sources. Quite frankly, I’m surprised he seemed to be so “untouchable” when the heat came down.  
 

I thought our line played very poorly at times.  Worst during the biggest spotlight - OU. That effort on the OL should never happen at Texas. 
 

im not saying fire the guy - I just think he is overwhelmingly viewed favorably.  More so than play on the field justifies.  

 
Who is saying Hand needs to go?  I guess we read different sources. Quite frankly, I’m surprised he seemed to be so “untouchable” when the heat came down.  
 

I thought our line played very poorly at times.  Worst during the biggest spotlight - OU. That effort on the OL should never happen at Texas. 
 

im not saying fire the guy - I just think he is overwhelmingly viewed favorably.  More so than play on the field justifies.  
I read somewhere that the fans at Penn St and Auburn weren't sad to see him go. But he does have some skins on the wall. Also the Texas OL needs some stability in the coaching staff.

 
So we then benefit from him bring on Rashaad Samples. He’s hiring again and he doesn’t think to make him a full time coach? You’ve seen him recruit for us. You reaped the rewards. How do you not make that happen? If he’s here, I like our chances of Savion Byrd committing. 
I agree with all of your post (good post, btw) except this part. I really like Samples as a recruiter. That part he's got a leg on, no doubt.

However, Texas is not normally the destination for a first-time position coach. Because part of recruiting is the history of development at that particular position. If you're recruiting well but don't develop, word gets out.

SMU was a good place for Samples to get his coaching feet wet. Maybe in a year or so we'll be able to improve his financial situation and move him to Austin.

 
@Sirhornsalot Where do you see the depth in Horns OL? I count 15 OL plus a former walk on deep snaper. Thats only three deep with no extras.

Recievers out nuber the OL.4 positiions vs 5

IMO every position shoud be three deep plus extras depending

OL shoud have  eighteen.
We have finally come to the point where we have quality depth and plenty of it. If you're looking for three-deep, then you're a Bama fan. Third stringers don't normally step in without a let down in performance at the position. One of Hand's biggest assets is his insistence on cross-training OL, which is how we get our quality depth after a long run in the OL desert.

 
We have finally come to the point where we have quality depth and plenty of it. If you're looking for three-deep, then you're a Bama fan. Third stringers don't normally step in without a let down in performance at the position. One of Hand's biggest assets is his insistence on cross-training OL, which is how we get our quality depth after a long run in the OL desert.
Guess we disagree on depth I count bodies as depth talent is another matter. Three deep for a football team is 66 punter and kicker up to 68 leaves 17 to give extras at .ALL positions. OL is an important part of team so why not have extras over three deep.

18 would be right to me.

Agree Hand is doing a good job lust needs morebodies to work with. 

You mentioned Alabama well I can remember when Texas was thier equal or better.And to get back there again IMO they need a balanced roster and right  now they dont have one Always goot to hear others thoughts.

 
Guess we disagree on depth I count bodies as depth talent is another matter. Three deep for a football team is 66 punter and kicker up to 68 leaves 17 to give extras at .ALL positions. OL is an important part of team so why not have extras over three deep.

18 would be right to me.

Agree Hand is doing a good job lust needs morebodies to work with. 

You mentioned Alabama well I can remember when Texas was thier equal or better.And to get back there again IMO they need a balanced roster and right  now they dont have one Always goot to hear others thoughts.
You just can't sign anyone to get warm bodies for depth. I trust in the ability of Herman & Co. to evaluate talent and not offer just to fill spots.

 
To me the OL recruiting is simple now. You have Hayden Connor. That’s good. Now offer Ezra Dotson-Oyetade and push hard for him. Then try to find 1 or 2 Connor Williams/Sam Cosmi starter packs. And just hope 1 pans out. That ensures you don’t have an off year for OL recruiting. Herman thinks we will do well this season. If that happens you can then push for the 2 OT’s at Duncanville for 2022. We are in a good spot for Campbell. So if you pull that off, you have 3 top end O lineman. There are other good O lineman in state as well so we could do well next year and not have to have negative recruiting with schools saying the 2022 kids won’t play. I don’t think we need to go the grad transfer route this year. Cosmi, Kersetter, Junior, & Okafor are already there. The staff loves Christian Jones & there’s Tyler Johnson. So one of them have to pan out. If they developed them, we should be good. If it wasn’t so late in the summer, I would love to see them move Jared Wiley to LT. He’s long, athletic, doesn’t mind mixing it up. They could have added weight to him and he could be a the next man up. But it may be too late for that. But the team has plenty of options. If they have trained them up, we should have be good & if not, Hand will be let go. 

 
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So, I guess its out of the question to add an assistant OL coach who's an alum and happens to be working at a smaller school in Dallas??

 
Now offer Ezra Dotson-Oyetade and push hard for him. 
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This is from a poster on another site. I'm sharing because I think it explains some of the Brock stuff.

"Tommy Brockmeyer was never going to be the savior of Texas football. It's been clear that he was going to Bama for a while because his daddy wanted him to go there. Blake didn't like the honest assessment of James. It's also why Clemson went from the clear leader to completely out of it. They were going to Bama the day they scheduled 2 OVs to Bama in the summer when games weren't even scheduled. We'll see how it plays out for James in Tuscaloosa."

 
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