More attrition on the way?

[TeamMayhall]

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[streettopeschel]

Scholarship limits went into effect on Sept 1, 1965. Since then, UT has never started a season with only 79 school players. Never. The Wickline lawsuit is going to bite the program on the ass when hiring coaches.

The program is not in good shape and it is not headed in the right direction.

since we have zero coaching vacancies, I won't worry to much about future hiring difficulties.
No, the program isn't in good shape. Hasn't been for years. I'll give the new guy more time to clean it up than one season.

True or false...you'll be happier if we go 6-6 so you can launch a barrage of 'I told you so's' than if we go 9-3.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Scholarship limits went into effect on Sept 1, 1965. Since then, UT has never started a season with only 79 school players. Never. The Wickline lawsuit is going to bite the program on the ass when hiring coaches.

The program is not in good shape and it is not headed in the right direction.

How can that be? UT isn't participating in that lawsuit.  Are we so unstable in Texas that we're affected and influenced by things that have not happened?

The program is in great shape. If we march out with 30 players by God thats the 30 that want to be here and DKR would certainly smile about what Charlie is doing.

Texas has NEVER had a black head football coach before Charlie. That will likely have the same impact on 2015 as having 79 players. None.

 

[Randolph Duke]

How can that be? UT isn't participating in that lawsuit. Are we so unstable in Texas that we're affected and influenced by things that have not happened?

The program is in great shape. If we march out with 30 players by God thats the 30 that want to be here and DKR would certainly smile about what Charlie is doing.

Texas has NEVER had a black head football coach before Charlie. That will likely have the same impact on 2015 as having 79 players. None.

People conviently forget Joe Wickline came to UT at the request of Coach Strong. Yea, UT bears no responsibility. Bullshit.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

People conviently forget Joe Wickline came to UT at the request of Coach Strong. Yea, UT bears no responsibility. Bullshit.

Charlie offered him a job. It's not Charlie's responsibility to answer to OSU. Wickline made a choice.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Charlie offered him a job. It's not Charlie's responsibility to answer to OSU. Wickline made a choice.

Thats it right there.  Charlie offered a job and Wickline took it.  It was Wickline's choice.

And I don't care if we have the full 85 guys if 15 of them are wasted scholarships.  There was a tremendous amount of trash that needed to be taken out - and it happened.  Charlie Strong made the decision that he would rather go with the 79 guys that were willing to put in the work and that they shouldn't need to carry 6 guys with them.

 

[utisdabomb12]

I have no idea if we've ever had 79 players on schollie in our history. You don't either.

It could also be argued things ARE turning around.

We lost two spare parts. This isn't a mackovic-AZ mutiny. Forgive me for being clueless enough not to freak out.

The hilarious thing is the fact we had 81 scholarship players should have told people we were going to see more attrition. Go look at the thread I started titled "roster". 

We only have 14 seniors (13 really because it looks like Evans is redshirting). Which means with 79 scholarship players minus 13 seniors, we would only have room for 19 players in the '16 class. Those numbers might vary if Clarington doesn't qualify or if another senior gets injured and redshirts.

Bottom line is Duke is on another one of his tangents. If Strong is building his roster he's going to take 23-25 players in the '16 recruiting class. That's only going to be possible if we are around 73 or so scholarship players.

If I would have looked at the number of scholarship players  and the small amount of seniors on the roster, I could have told you more attrition was coming.  If you are rebuilding a roster you want room to take players in recruiting. This isn't even surprising. Just to preempt another one of Duke's rants, we are going to lose some more players before the season is over. 

 

[BevoBlake]

People conviently forget Joe Wickline came to UT at the request of Coach Strong. Yea, UT bears no responsibility. Bullshit.

No offense, but this really is common sense. UT isn't liable for a contract that Wickline signed at OSU. Wickline is. But Texas is not. If Wickline is violating that agreement, that's on him. Not on Texas. I'd like to see Texas stand behind Wickline to the most they're capable. But UT bears NO responsibility in upholding the terms of a contract that was between Wicline and OSU.

 

[texasdalton]

I find it more impressive that Wickline is at Texas after spending god knows how long at OSU. There come a point where you become a "lifer" with a program. He was just about there, he left OSU to be with CFS probly because deep down he believes the reward will outweight the penalty. If i was coach and saw that a highly respected coach such as Wickline would leave to work with a head coach such as Coach Strong in a situation such as we are in now, that would shine a positive light on Coach Strong in my eyes.

But you appear to be too miserable to see it that way.

 

[Coal Harbour]

I could CARE LESS about Wickline, the lawsuit, Patterson or attrition.  When Saturday afternoons roll around, the only thing that matters is the final score and that is how this program will be judged.

Some people can't be happy no matter what.  If we had a full roster of scholarship players, someone would yell players are entitled, fat and happy.  Now that the program is below the allotted level, there must be something wrong.  The Notre Dame game can't get here soon enough.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Would the ones who think LB is a position that has great depth explain it to me. I count only eight LBS not even three deep. WR is the position with most depth IMO

 

[utisdabomb12]

Would the ones who think LB is a position that has great depth explain it to me. I count only eight LBS not even three deep. WR is the position with most depth IMO

I think short term there's a problem at LB. We need guys that can contribute immediately. Long-term I think we are fine because of the guys we got in the '15 class and will probably get in the '16 class. Hager, Townsend, Malik, Wheeler, Mcculloch, Jackson, and Smith.....I don't think you can do much better than that. That's why IMO Cherry wasn't a huge loss. There's plenty of depth in the long-term and Chery wasn't going to be an immediate contributor.
As for WR, depth is being built in the '15 and '16 classes. Just from comments in press conferences/interviews I don't think Strong is high on the WRs currently on campus outside of the FR class. WR has a bunch of bodies but not a lot of quality depth. Matter of fact, I think Strong is recruiting over most of the WRs on campus. I don't think there's a doubt there will be attrition at WR.

 

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[Eastexhorn]

I think short term there's a problem at LB. We need guys that can contribute immediately. Long-term I think we are fine because of the guys we got in the '15 class and will probably get in the '16 class. Hager, Townsend, Malik, Wheeler, Mcculloch, Jackson, and Smith.....I don't think you can do much better than that. That's why IMO Cherry wasn't a huge loss. There's plenty of depth in the long-term and Chery wasn't going to be an immediate contributor.

As for WR, depth is being built in the '15 and '16 classes. Just from comments in press conferences/interviews I don't think Strong is high on the WRs currently on campus outside of the FR class. WR has a bunch of bodies but not a lot of quality depth. Matter of fact, I think Strong is recruiting over most of the WRs on campus. I don't think there's a doubt there will be attrition at WR.

 The problem with long term is does Strong have this much time. Short term is now and thats what counts. IMO there needs to be 11 or 12 LBS on roster.The excessive number of WRS carried over from Mack's era.

Only draw back to the defections and low roster count is one year wasted in practice time etc.

 

[utisdabomb12]

 The problem with long term is does Strong have this much time. Short term is now and thats what counts. IMO there needs to be 11 or 12 LBS on roster.

The excessive number of WRS carried over from Mack's era.

Only draw back to the defections and low roster count is one year wasted in practice time etc.

Yeah, I think Strong will get at least 3 years (if not more).

 

[BevoBlake]

 The problem with long term is does Strong have this much time. Short term is now and thats what counts. IMO there needs to be 11 or 12 LBS on roster.

The excessive number of WRS carried over from Mack's era.

Only draw back to the defections and low roster count is one year wasted in practice time etc.

Strong absolutely has the time. Strong will have at least another three years at Texas, even if every season over the next three were losing seasons. To fire him would cost Patterson. And I'm thinking Patterson is already on a seat or two ahead of the hot seat. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

From a poster on Barking Carnival

During the open practice last Sunday, Tommy Robinson had the RBs in the northwest endzone. I walked over and watched them go through drills, a mere 15 feet from the players. About midway through, Catalon kept taking his helmet off and complaining while he waited in line with the other RBs. Coach Robinson had to repeatedly tell him "put your hat on!"

I was a little surprised at Catalon’s indifference to these orders and reluctantly put his helmet half-way sitting on top of his head, which garnered additional scorn from Coach Robinson to "PUT YOUR DAMN HAT ON!!!! HOW YOUGONNA PLAY FOOTBALL WITHOUT YOUR HAT ON???" After multiple requests, Catalon finally put his helmet all the way on his head. Then drills were over.

 

[bcherry168]

From a poster on Barking Carnival

During the open practice last Sunday, Tommy Robinson had the RBs in the northwest endzone. I walked over and watched them go through drills, a mere 15 feet from the players. About midway through, Catalon kept taking his helmet off and complaining while he waited in line with the other RBs. Coach Robinson had to repeatedly tell him "put your hat on!"

I was a little surprised at Catalon’s indifference to these orders and reluctantly put his helmet half-way sitting on top of his head, which garnered additional scorn from Coach Robinson to "PUT YOUR DAMN HAT ON!!!! HOW YOUGONNA PLAY FOOTBALL WITHOUT YOUR HAT ON???" After multiple requests, Catalon finally put his helmet all the way on his head. Then drills were over.

Don't need that kind of attitude on the team. Perhaps his leaving is a net positive.

 

[TeamMayhall]

From a poster on Barking Carnival



During the open practice last Sunday, Tommy Robinson had the RBs in the northwest endzone. I walked over and watched them go through drills, a mere 15 feet from the players. About midway through, Catalon kept taking his helmet off and complaining while he waited in line with the other RBs. Coach Robinson had to repeatedly tell him "put your hat on!"

I was a little surprised at Catalon’s indifference to these orders and reluctantly put his helmet half-way sitting on top of his head, which garnered additional scorn from Coach Robinson to "PUT YOUR DAMN HAT ON!!!! HOW YOUGONNA PLAY FOOTBALL WITHOUT YOUR HAT ON???" After multiple requests, Catalon finally put his helmet all the way on his head. Then drills were over.

That explains this tweet

[Tweet = https://twitter.com/tbhmcNEal/status/631550244237344768]

 

[BevoBlake]

That explains this tweet

[Tweet = https://twitter.com/tbhmcNEal/status/631550244237344768]

Sometimes it's hard for fans to realize that it can be a good thing when a player leaves. 

Do we really want Strong, Watson, Wickline, Robinson or the offense wasting time working with someone who isn't willing to put in the work? Nah, let's put that effort elsewhere.