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It's not a first amendment issue. If I start dropping n-bombs at work, I won't be jailed by the Feds but I will get fired. They got fired.

My guess is they will slink quietly out of Norman without legal challenge. Lay low for a while and try and get on with life somewhere.

 
I find it interesting that drunken frat boys chanting racist nonsense is worthy of expulsion, but Cal-Berkeley students advocating the murder of Jews is "free speech". Now, which act is really creating a "hostile learning environment"? Hypocrisy in mainstream media coverage, as usual. More selective indignation from the left.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/uc-berkeley-students-call-murdering-jews-we-support-intifada
Berkeley being Berkeley. And cal isnt worried about backlash from Jewish football recruits






 
It's not a first amendment issue. If I start dropping n-bombs at work, I won't be jailed by the Feds but I will get fired. They got fired.

My guess is they will slink quietly out of Norman without legal challenge. Lay low for a while and try and get on with life somewhere.
Yes, you are right and I am wrong.  Boren broke no law by expunging the frat and expelling its members.  The protection of the 1st amendment doesn't enter into it in this case.

However,  I suspect some kind of civil redress could.

 
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Yes, you are right and I am wrong.  Boren broke no law by expunging the frat and expelling its members.  The protection of the 1st amendment doesn't enter into it in this case.

However,  civil redress could I suspect.
Sarcasm?

I don't care enough about OU to review their "Code of Conduct" for students or what powers their President may have in disciplinary cases. I'm not a lawyer, but I do find this media-driven scandal interesting.

 
Mike Williams sounds like a mature, well-adjusted young man. Like to see him on the 40 next year. 

IMO, Boren's response was knee-jerk and over-the-top. Close the SAE house and ban the entire fraternity for the stupidity of a few drunken frat boys? Good grief.....the PC fascists really do rule academia. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

It's a shame Boren and the OU administration don't feel the same way about violence against women. Joe Mixon can punch-out a female student, yet he's still on scholarship and on the football team. Bravo, Sooners
In my head, I'm with you J.B., I think Boren used a cannon to kill a fly so to speak that and it smacks of hypocrisy for him and Stoops to try to take the moral high ground here when they have not only allowed a player to return that brutally assaulted a woman but are also paying his way through college. As gut wrenching as it is to watch that video, the students didn't actually hurt anyone but themselves and their reputations for potentially the rest of their lives. Mixon not only hurt that girl but the OU fans tried to intimidate her. Boren should have stepped in and at the very least revoked his scholarship. If he had, I would respect his decision about the SAE more. Instead it just looks like a cya move for the university.

In my heart though, I'm glad they took the hammer to that frat house. I, probably like a lot of people, get tired of the professional race baiters and the people who see racism in every aspect of life but when there is a clear case like this I think a monster statement needs to be publicly made.

 
Outside of partying, I have never understood the value of a frat or a sorority anyway.  I was rushed by a few frats, but found that I was not smart enough to participate in the Greek life and pursue pre-med studies at the same time.

 
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Oklahoma Stands Tall Against Racism, Weak Against Violence

Let's start with this -- I have no sympathy for racist Oklahoma fraternity members whose racist fraternity taunt went viral resulting in their fraternity being shut down, their being kicked off campus, and their likely expulsion from school. I have zero sympathy for them and chances are you don't either. The video was shocking to me because I've never heard anyone my age or younger say anything like this, much less scream a racist chant in unison that everyone knows. (Despite what SAE may claim, Outkick has been inundated by emails saying the chant is well known among SAE fraternity members, particularly those from Southern schools. I'm blown away by that).

Certainly Oklahoma president David Boren doesn't have any sympathy for these fraternity members. He basically pronounced them dead to rights in his statements yesterday which we linked at Outkick.

Boren said the following: "It was unbelievable that this could have possibly occurred with UO students. Soonersare not racists. They're not bigots. They are people who respect each other and care about each other."

He demanded zero tolerance for racist statements on campus.

Just about every single person applauded his comments, they were strident, powerful, and accurately reflected his distaste for the student's opinions. The Oklahoma football team staged a protest that was well covered and adorned with praise. This was a positive sports story, Sooner athletes sending the right message about how they wouldn't tolerate racist opinions on a college campus, a place that theoretically exists to expand knowledge and eliminate closeted thinking.

Only here's my problem with the Oklahoma football team's stand.

Less than a month ago they allowed Joe Mixon, a talented running back videotaped punching a female student in an off-campus bar, back onto the football team after a year long suspension. Yep, Mixon punched a female student and was never kicked off campus.

Indeed, his running backs coach had this to say on his reinstatement:

"He made a split-second and wrong decision, and he knows that," running backs Coach Cale Gundy said. "He is a super, super kid. And I use the term 'kid' because he still is like a kid. He's still very young."

This past off season Oklahoma admitted Dorial Green-Beckham, a talented wide receiver from Missouri who may well be drafted in the first round, despite Mizzou kicking him off the team for allegations that he pushed a woman down the stairs and violently threatened another woman. DGB was admitted to campus as a student after this incident. What's more, Oklahoma was furious with the NCAA for not granting his waiver and allowing him to play football this year.

So here we have two acts of physical violence -- one against a fellow OU student -- that didn't cause expulsion from campus -- indeed, DGB was actually admitted after his alleged act of violence against another student -- and I haven't heard Oklahoma president David Boren say a word about either incident. If Sooners are people "who respect each other and care about each other," wouldn't punching a female Sooner be worse than saying something bad about a group of them?

This brings me back to a message I keep returning to on Outkick -- why do we punish words more than actions in today's soceity? Why is Oklahoma's president willing to give a second chance to a talented football player who punched a fellow student on video, but immediately condemns students that say horrible things on video? Is the media to blame? In today's society is punishment directly tied to how much attention something receives? I'd hate to believe that. Because in the grand scheme of things aren't acts always worse than words? Otherwise we need to change our criminal justice system and give people life in prison for unpopular opinions. 

Oklahoma University didn't make these frat guys racist. They were racist when they got to Oklahoma. I would have liked to have heard David Boren address that, no matter who you are a university can't erase the first 18 years of your life. One of the guiding principles of higher education today -- indeed, the very reason it exists according to some -- is the idea that if we expose students to people of different walks of life they will learn, if nothing else, that blanket racism or religious fanaticism or any other -ism is intellectually lazy and ignorant. People are more than what they look like on the outside or who they worship or where they were raised. That's the very essence of higher education, exposure to people who aren't like you, opening up the world to students who probably haven't experienced very much in their lives to that point, making possible the impossible.

What's sad about this Oklahoma fraternity's chant isn't just the racism, it's that you would go to a college and only want to hang out with people who are exactly like you, people who would feel comfortable screaming a racist chant on a bus headed to a date party. Yet this is still very common. These same frat guys will go to a job where people are exactly like them, and worship in a church where everyone worships like them, and live in a suburb where people are exactly like them, and live in a community where everyone else has the exact same opinions as them. And then they'll become strident in their opinions about politics and wonder how anyone could ever feel differently than they do. That's how thought like this happens, from a lack of exposure to the real world, from a cloistering of opinion.

In America today, the only time the right and left come together to agree on anything is sports. That's why sports are so important, they're the last thing that bind us regardless of our backgrounds.    

None of us are immune from making poor decisions in college, but isn't it awfully interesting how quick we are to give second and third chances to people whose talents are readily apparent and benefit us or make us feel better about ourselves? Sports fans are amoral, so long as the team wins, most don't give a damn what happens off the field. If Joe Mixon and DGB weren't good at football, where would they be right now? Maybe in jail? As a society how quick are we to judge based on one action? The sad truth is the only time most of us believe in the redemption of someone who has done something wrong is if they're really good at something that benefits us. Movie stars, entertainers, athletes, so long as your talent exceeds your problems we'll give you one chance after another. Just keep entertaining us and we'll forget all about what you did off the field.

Hell, we may even put up a statue to you.

Don't believe me, just ask Disney employee Ray Lewis. 

But what about the rest of us without readily apparent talents? The vast mass of us who aren't great at football or acting or singing. Are the rest of us not deserving of second chances too?

Maybe you think the frat guys should be expelled and never heard from again -- that's a valid opinion. Maybe you think there's a difference between assaulting a woman and assaulting an entire ethnic group with words. Again, that's a valid opinion. I happen to think actions are worse than words, but you can disagree with me. But chances are, you haven't thought about these two situations with such different respones on the same campus much at all. Now at least you have.

To hell with fifteen minutes of fame, in today's society everybody gets fifteen seconds of fame.

Only those fifteen seconds define you forever, because they never stop replaying over and over again. A Google search never dies.

I'd like to believe Sooners believe in educating dumb kids and second chances. But I'm afraid that Sooners, like the rest of us, only believe in second chances when that second chance benefits us.

If so, our message is pretty clear -- pick up a football kid, it's the only chance you've got. 

 
Oklahoma Stands Tall Against Racism, Weak Against Violence

Let's start with this -- I have no sympathy for racist Oklahoma fraternity members whose racist fraternity taunt went viral resulting in their fraternity being shut down, their being kicked off campus, and their likely expulsion from school. I have zero sympathy for them and chances are you don't either. The video was shocking to me because I've never heard anyone my age or younger say anything like this, much less scream a racist chant in unison that everyone knows. (Despite what SAE may claim, Outkick has been inundated by emails saying the chant is well known among SAE fraternity members, particularly those from Southern schools. I'm blown away by that).

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You tricked me, I agreed with the article then found out it was written by Clay Travis. Oh well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 
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Oklahoma Stands Tall Against Racism, Weak Against Violence

Let's start with this -- I have no sympathy for racist Oklahoma fraternity members whose racist fraternity taunt went viral resulting in their fraternity being shut down, their being kicked off campus, and their likely expulsion from school. I have zero sympathy for them and chances are you don't either. The video was shocking to me because I've never heard anyone my age or younger say anything like this, much less scream a racist chant in unison that everyone knows. (Despite what SAE may claim, Outkick has been inundated by emails saying the chant is well known among SAE fraternity members, particularly those from Southern schools. I'm blown away by that).

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u hit the nail on the head

 
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I find myself rather conflicted. First of all, I think Clay Travis is a blithering idiot.  Secondly, I think his article is spot on.

I have come to the conclusion that the OU administration has been outed as a collection of scumbags, exhibiting the worst form of hypocrisy. 

Their self righteousness about racism rings hollow in the face of turning their heads regarding woman abuse.  Which, IMO, the only thing worse is child abuse.

 
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I hope to hell that jesse jackson and al sharpton don't bring stick there nose into  this mess..thats the last thing i need happening..you know they love the media attention..lord have mercy

 
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I hope to hell that jesse jackson and al sharpton don't bring stick there nose into this mess..thats the last thing i need happening..you know they love the media attention..lord have mercy
good luck with that. Sharpton lives for stuff like this.
 
One thing on Locksley - He mentioned the rumor about him preferring to redshirt a year has no basis to it. Talked to him last night and he was emphatic about making sure folks knew that him redshirting was never something he has proposed or said. It was reported on several other sites.

 
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Matt - I have to apologize for contributing to the hijacking of your article - which I found to be very good - by-the-way.

If you haven't already read it, TOS basically parroted your last weeks Brunt Ends article - regarding who may actually be the starters this fall.  Especially as far as anointing Heard as the starting QB.  As you said, they say the same this week.  That position is nowhere near being filled just yet.

 
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