Statesman reporting Kendall and Meander charged

[BudreauReye]

I would be willing to bet that doc did not mean that the way it came out.  I also would be willing to bet that doc is not attempting to blame the young lady in any form or fashion.  My take on what he is saying is that we are all responsible for the situations that we put ourselves in.  That is a different issue from rape.  Good judgement, bad judgement ... that can be debated ad naseum, but no kind of judgement provides a justification for crimes of violence, of which rape is one, last time I heard.

Also, J.B.  as the situation has been described, Meander was also a perpetrator.  She might have agreed to go to his room with him initially, but Meander allowed Kendall into the room, and then assaulted her along with him.  Her judgement regarding Meander's character or lack thereof can surely be questioned, but that does not make her responsible in any way for the rape.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Dude, she expected to have consensual sex with Meander in his dorm room.  Why should she anticipate being raped by Sanders (allegedly)?  

IMO, Meander probably broke curfew and whatever rule CFS has about admitting co-eds into your dorm room after hours.  The alcohol-induced desire probably impaired both her's and Meander's judgement.  I don't know how you rationalize Sanders alleged participation.....or the video.

 I am not rationalizing any part of it... But there are way more questions than there are answers. One kid who is having consensual sex with the young lady goes to the bathroom and comes back out a rapist? Consensual sex with an acquaintance/friend of over a year... goes to the bathroom and then comes back out and decides its time to rape her with a friend? That may have very happy happened like that, I think it's doubtful, but it could have. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

 I am not rationalizing any part of it... But there are way more questions than there are answers. One kid who is having consensual sex with the young lady goes to the bathroom and comes back out a rapist? Consensual sex with an acquaintance/friend of over a year... goes to the bathroom and then comes back out and decides its time to rape her with a friend? That may have very happy happened like that, I think it's doubtful, but it could have. 

Have you read the affidavit yet?  Not saying it's gospel, but it doesn't look good right now.  Check out my post "Charlie Strong's 5 Core Values" - I've included a link.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

 
9 John Harris TE/WR 6-3 223 Sr. 2L Garland, Texas Naaman Forest
2 Kendall Sanders WR 6-0 190 Jr. 2L Athens, Texas Athens
7 Marcus Johnson WR 6-1 193 Jr. 2L League City, Texas Clear Springs
8 Jaxon Shipley WR 6-1 193 Sr. 3L Brownwood, Texas Brownwood
11 Jacorey Warrick WR 5-10 174 So. SQ Houston, Texas Cypress Falls
26 David Thomann WR 6-0 184 Sr. SQ Winchester, Mass. Winchester
27 Connor Huffman WR 5-9 167 Fr. HS Arlington, Texas Arlington
29 Hunter DeGroot WR 6-1 205 Fr. RS Arlington, Texas High Point
42 Dakota Haines WR 6-1 194 Sr. SQ Lago Vista, Texas Lago Vista
83 Chris Giron WR 5-8 157 Sr. SQ Cypress, Texas Cypress Woods
86 Jake Oliver WR 6-4 216 Fr. RS Dallas, Texas Jesuit
88 Montrel Meander WR 6-3 186 Fr. RS Amarillo, Texas Palo Duro
89 Ty Templin WR 6-0 190 So. SQ Granbury, Texas Trinity Valley  
Roderick Bernard WR 5-10 175 Fr. HS Houston, Texas Sharpstown  
Armanti Foreman WR 6-0 180 Fr. HS Texas City, Texas Texas City  
Garrett Gray WR 6-4 211 Fr. HS Marble Falls, Texas Marble Falls  
Lorenzo Joe WR 6-2 192 Fr. HS Abilene, Texas Cooper  
Dorian Leonard WR 6-4 200 Fr. HS Longview, Texas Longview 4
Daje Johnson WR/RB 5-10 180 Jr. 2L Pflugerville, Texas Hendrickson

I'm afraid that if it's come this far and APD feels confident in their case, these two are gone.

From Shan's list of the depth chart, here's a couple of notes

1. John Harris, a senior with decent speed but great size, is just due. Word I've heard repeated over the past couple years is that for whatever reason, Harris was a resident in the Mack Brown doghouse the whole time. Performed outstanding at times in scrimmages and spot duty. A fresh start with Charlie Strong might be just what the doctored ordered for this guy. I expect some big things from him this year.

2. Marcus Johnson is no slouch. From what I've heard, Johnson was very close to Sanders, talent-wise. Sanders is faster and can break it, but Johnson is quick, fast with great hands.

3. Of the freshman group, I would expect Armanti Foreman to emerge and likely not be redshirted. If they have to have two, Lorenzo Joe. The rest really need some time.

4. Daje will play some WR, but don't expect it to be anything more than here and there duty. 

5. Jacorey Warrick's stock just shot straight up. He's got wheels, a season under his belt, should be a grand opportunity for him. We'll see what he does with it.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Have you read the affidavit yet?  Not saying it's gospel, but it doesn't look good right now.  Check out my post "Charlie Strong's 5 Core Values" - I've included a link.

Yessir, I did read the affidavit from start to finish... I edited my original post to better reflect the doubts that I have... You just got to the original before I posted it. hahaha... Read that if you get the chance. I think it better portrays my questions. 

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Have you read the affidavit yet?  Not saying it's gospel, but it doesn't look good right now.  Check out my post "Charlie Strong's 5 Core Values" - I've included a link.

 I just find it hard to believe two kids with nothing but the best of the world in front of them, with no violent crimes in their past, turn into rapists at the drop of a hat. Could be, but doesn't seem the most probable to me. 

 

[BudreauReye]

 I just find it hard to believe two kids with nothing but the best of the world in front of them, with no violent crimes in their past, turn into rapists at the drop of a hat. Could be, but doesn't seem the most probable to me. 

Happens all the time.  In fact, for various reasons, quite often,  perpetrators get off without being charged.  Doesn't mean that they didn't do it.  Remember, the police are well trained in how to deal with such situations as this.  I do not remember anybody saying anything about this, but I am willing to bet that their was rape kit involved.  The charges seem to be pretty clear cut.  It seems to me that the evidence would have to be pretty clear for that to be the case.

 

[Dieselprime]

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011


If this is Meander's actual twitter, he probably should get someone to edit his page

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

 I just find it hard to believe two kids with nothing but the best of the world in front of them, with no violent crimes in their past, turn into rapists at the drop of a hat. Could be, but doesn't seem the most probable to me. 

Agree that it sounds implausible, but shit happens.  We'll have to let justice run its course.

At minimum, they probably broke curfew.  Who knows what CFS's rule is for having girls in the dorm rooms?

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Happens all the time.  In fact, for various reasons, quite often,  perpetrators get off without being charged.  Doesn't mean that they didn't do it.  Remember, the police are well trained in how to deal with such situations as this.  I do not remember anybody saying anything about this, but I am willing to bet that their was rape kit involved.  The charges seem to be pretty clear cut.  It seems to me that the evidence would have to be pretty clear for that to be the case.

 Def don't agree with the "happens all the time" idea... Rape happens all the time? Yes. 2 kids that have no history of violent offenses going from being nonviolent offenders to rapists? I doubt that happens all the time. Unless they both have a sorted past that I do not know of. Generally people don't skip from choir boys to murderers in one leap. This is a big jump. 

 The charges are clear cut... The details to the night are not clear, besides her side of the story. At least to me they are not. 

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Agree that it sounds implausible, but shit happens.  We'll have to let justice run its course.

At minimum, they probably broke curfew.  Who knows what CFS's rule is for having girls in the dorm rooms?

 And boiled down that is my only point... It sounds very implausible to me and I also know shit happens. Ive learned not to be shocked by anything people do these days. We will see how this unfolds and I'm damn interested to get more details.

 As to your question... I have not a clue. 

 

[utisdabomb12]

Regardless of if they are innocent or guilty, both are probably gone. Strong doesn't put up with this stuff. The fact that they put themselves in this situation probably means they are gone. Since both are already off the roster that should be a good indication how Strong feels about the matter. 

 

[Dieselprime]

I've always been the type that I will give people the benefit of the doubt until they are actually proven guilty. I want to make it abundantly clear that if they are guilty of what they are being accused of they deserve to get the book thrown at them. Having said that, from reading, a couple of thing don't add up to me. Why didn't she immediately jump out of bed when  Sanders started stripping and got in bed with her? I understand people get scared but up to that point see had no reason to believe Meander had plans to rape her, why didn't she go to him,  run into the bathroom or scream rape or help or anything. She says she was naked under blankets but she had no problem with Sanders being in the bedroom alone with her while Meander left for the bathroom? Meander walks back in the room with the woman he's been a friend with for a year getting raped and she doesn't scream "help I'm being raped!" He then just decides hey let me rape this girl who just 10 minutes earlier I was having consensual  sex with? I could be so far off its not even funny but that just seems like part of the story. These guys are either pure evil or she wasn't as against this idea as she claims and it was only after she thought a picture was taken that she got mad, angry and ashamed and did something about it. The other clue is both Meander and Sanders had no problem being interviewed by officers at first, If you had just raped someone and the police wanted to question you wouldn't you be asking for a lawyer right away? I definitely have compassion for rape victims and I could be completely wrong but something about this isn't passing the smell test.

 

[BudreauReye]

 Def don't agree with the "happens all the time" idea... Rape happens all the time? Yes. 2 kids that have no history of violent offenses going from being nonviolent offenders to rapists? I doubt that happens all the time. Unless they both have a sorted past that I do not know of. Generally people don't skip from choir boys to murderers in one leap. This is a big jump. 

 The charges are clear cut... The details to the night are not clear, besides her side of the story. At least to me they are not. 

My point is that you have no idea what kind of SORDID past either of these guys have.  Athletes are considered among the privileged in many communities.  Benefits are given to them because of who they are in their communities, including sex, by cute little girls in their communities, they come to expect such favors and sometimes do not react well when somebody says no to them outside of their communities. Who knows, they may not even recognize what "No!" means. Whoever said either of these guys were either choirboys OR murderers?  It does not matter whether the details of the night are clear to either me or you.  That is what the criminal justice system is for.  These two guys are now in that system, and what you and I think does not really matter.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Regardless of if they are innocent or guilty, both are probably gone. Strong doesn't put up with this stuff. The fact that they put themselves in this situation probably means they are gone. Since both are already off the roster that should be a good indication how Strong feels about the matter. 

 Without a doubt they are both history... Worst case they are rapists... Best case they opted to shit on Strongs values. 

 

[BudreauReye]

 Without a doubt they are both history... Worst case they are rapists... Best case they opted to shit on Strongs values. 

On this we can surely all agree.

 

[Lukus Alderman]

Without a doubt they are both history... Worst case they are rapists... Best case they opted to shit on Strongs values.

You may be right, but you may not be right either. Just give the justice system time to figure this out before we declare these guys as gone and running over Strong's rules.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

My point is that you have no idea what kind of SORDID past either of these guys have.  Athletes are considered among the privileged in many communities.  Benefits are given to them because of who they are in their communities, including sex, by cute little girls in their communities, they come to expect such favors and sometimes do not react well when somebody says no to them outside of their communities.  Whoever said either of these guys were either choirboys OR murderers?  It does not matter whether the details of the night are clear to either me or you.  That is what the criminal justice system is for.  These two guys are now in that system, and what you and I think does not really matter.

 I appreciate your help with my spelling error, greatly appreciated...

 You're right, I have no idea what kind of SORDID past either of these guys have... So while there is no evidence of them having a SORDID past they should be presumed not to have a SORDID past until proven otherwise, right. That seems pretty fair unless we are going on the guilty  until proven innocent concept. So as you stated these athletes are given plenty to include sex from "cute little girls" and the absolute VAST MAJORITY of college football players don't turn into rapists and I'm sure plenty of them have heard "No" a time or two. So forgive me if I don't lump these two in with the MINORITY just yet. 

You're right, its for the criminal justice system to handle now... There are plenty of holes in this and we'll see how it unfolds. Gonna be interesting.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

You may be right, but you may not be right either. Just give the justice system time to figure this out before we declare these guys as gone and running over Strong's rules.

 I agree... But the stink of something like this does not go away. Eiffel towering a woman, consensual or not, isn't what I would call "respecting women."

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

On this we can surely all agree.

 We can. Haha...