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[HookemHorns]

You are right. We need to let the people in the position to do a job actually do their job. If I micromanage my managers then I don't need them or want them.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I need some help grasping something.
I think we all agree, Red should have kept his opinion behind closed doors.

What I took away from what Red said was that we hire a coach that was not competent enough to be the HC at Texas.A day later, with rumors flying around that the same HC is going to bring on Shawn Watson, his OC at Louisville, our fan base is hollering

that is a incompetent hire.

Don't get me wrong, I see the difference in Red being a 200 million plus donor going over the airwaves and stating as much but, I also see our fanbase stating as much if Strong indeed brings on Watson.

So, are the fans saying Strong is competent enough to be our head coach but, not competent enough to pick his own assistants?

With that said, I'm not a fan of Shawn Watson's.

What you should have also taken away from Red said was that he was butthurt because he didn't get a say in the decision. That's the real issue with Red.

As far as what the fans are saying, do you think that it is a given that if you are competent enough to be a head coach then you are competent enough to pick your assistants? I don't think it is. Strong may well be competent enough but we don't know that yet. If it is true that he really wanted to bring the guy that is in trouble with the NCAA then that is a major red flag to me.

 

[UTPhil2006]

Yep. He is hiring a coaching staff. We were so tired of the good ole boy mess and bad hires. Let this one play out.

Is that not pretty much what Strong is doing?

 

[Alouha27]

Maybe Red should have stayed out of the media...logged on to a msg board like here at HS and bitched about the things he don't like, just like the rest of us do.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Watson never had a QB throw for more yards and touchdowns to the opponent than his own team in consecutive games. Just sayin....

Lol. Jan 8 and we already probably have the Quote of The Year.

Red should have taken up his issues directly with the man who made the hire and not demeaned and denigrated Coach Strong in the media.

As for Coach Strong and the staff he is assembling - let the man do his job. If it doesn't deliver results we know who to hold accountable. Quite frankly, if I was assembling a staff to run an organization, I would damned sure hire people I knew, I trusted, who I knew the caliber of work i would expect from them and I wouldn't want someone else's opinion of who should be hired forced upon me. For all I care, he could hire Snooki Polizzi as OC,if that is who he thinks the right hire is. Let the man do his job.

 

[Topstarr]

Yep. He is hiring a coaching staff. We were so tired of the good ole boy mess and bad hires. Let this one play out.

OK I will......have to no other way

 

[crotchole]

Coach Strong is now talking about his RB coach to Texas..See here what is happening.

So the RB coach's tenure at Flordia with Strong, while under Meyer, and winning two national championships isn't enough? Have you ever coached a single down of real football? I am willing to bet the answer is no because someone in the know would have an actual reason they don't like a hire. If you think that coaches don't bring in their buddies, who said coach thinks can also coach, happens at every level from high school to the NFL you are even further detached from reality than should be allowed to join this conversation.

 

[alphahydro]

McPhaul:

Just because I strongly disagree with a HC's decision doesn't mean I think he's not qualified to be a HC.

So there's your answer.

Every fanbase criticizes their HC's decisions. Doesn't mean they think their HC isn't qualified to be a HC.

AFAIK, Red's the only one who thinks that Strong might not be qualified to be a coordinator at Texas.

 

[abcee]

Totally destroyed some excellent SEC defenses with the Air Raid at Kentucky. Bob Stoops could not defend it at Florida and made up his mind that when he did land a HC position he would go after Leach to be his OC.

Leach was OC briefly in Norman and soon got his own HC gig in Lubbock.

 

[86MEHorn]

It's not about the X's and O's but about the Jimmy's and Joe's.

Greg Davis and Manny Diaz say "Hi"

 

[lahorns]

The difference is that my post will not end up on ESPN and make National headlines. He thinks he has the inherited right to say what he wants and that is fine. We do live in the USA. I also have to right to think he brought shame to UT by his comments when we did not need it. No comment would have served Red better. JM

 

[hornrush]

I need some help grasping something.
I think we all agree, Red should have kept his opinion behind closed doors.

What I took away from what Red said was that we hire a coach that was not competent enough to be the HC at Texas.

A day later, with rumors flying around that the same HC is going to bring on Shawn Watson, his OC at Louisville, our fan base is hollering

that is a incompetent hire.

Don't get me wrong, I see the difference in Red being a 200 million plus donor going over the airwaves and stating as much but, I also see our fanbase stating as much if Strong indeed brings on Watson.

So, are the fans saying Strong is competent enough to be our head coach but, not competent enough to pick his own assistants?

With that said, I'm not a fan of Shawn Watson's.

1. Red's opinions border (closely) to those of Al Campanis. The fact that he holds those opinions hearkens back to a time I mentioned in another thread that damn near cost DKR his job. I don't care how much money he donates. He doesn't get special dispensation because he's rich.

2. There are a lot of opinions of Shawn Watson. With all of the vitriol going throughout Longhorn Nation, you'd think that Strong was about to hire Barry (f-ing) Switzer.

3. I'm asking (and I know I'm about to get a big fat no) for everyone to take a step back and understand a few things.

...........A. Any leader, stepping into a new position, wants to surround himself with good, competent people but people he is familiar with and comfortable with.

...........B. That's part of being a leader. He's being paid to make those decisions and doesn't depend on our approval to get what he thinks will get the job done...which is winning championships.

...........C. With family members throughout the coaching system, there's one thing that is common among all of them, male, female, no matter the sport. The best ones get better with experience and learn from their mistakes.

4. I don't know Shawn Watson at all. I barely know of him and me and my coaching and broadcast friends know a helluva lot guys currently coaching. But even if I did, if Strong picks him, don't you think that part of their conversation would entail, "...this is the top of the mountain and we gotta get it right..." or at least something to that effect?

5. Finally, judge a person on what they accomplish rather than telling them how they're going to fail before they even start. (you too Red!)

Hook'em!

 

[beevomav]

No what Red said was Strong wasnt competent enough to be a head coach period. it wasnt just about at Texas...he then went on to say a position coach...or maaaaybe a coordinator

Yes and harm Red caused? One of our guys who decommitted quoted Red in a tweet.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Yes and harm Red caused? One of our guys who decommitted quoted Red in a tweet.

Really.. Wow

 

[DizzG]

Yes and harm Red caused? One of our guys who decommitted quoted Red in a tweet.

which one? not surprised. I cant fully say what I think of Red on here as would prob get banned. I think he did a lot of damage to Strong, and will hurt recruiting. I think UT can recover but Red has still not apologized and it frankly sickens me that some have actually tried to defend his comments or cast them off as not that big of a deal

 

[DocHorn]

Greg Davis and Manny Diaz say "Hi"

Greg Davis won a NC with some Jimmy's and Vince

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I agree that a head coach should be able to pick his own staff and don't argue that point. But I also think that a head coach is capable of making an incompetent, i.e. bad, decision regarding assistant coaches.

So my question is, what exactly is wrong with "fans" having an opinion regarding how competent or incompetent a coaching hire is and discussing it in this type of forum?

 

[whatthewhat]

So, HIPPO. In mommy board speak, that means, 'Happily ignoring other poster's opinions,' or, 'I only read the OP.'

HIPPO.

Anyway, I'm sitting president of a BOD for a nonprofit here in Austin. If my ED hires somebody and I think that person sucks, I might complain over lunch to colleagues but I'm not going to race off to the media, because if my organization is to be successful, we've got to present a united front. Similarly, I'm on the BOD for the PTA at my son's school. If one of our chairpeople make a crap decision, I might bitch about it privately to my friends on Facebook, but I wouldn't go post about it on the actual PTA page. Dumb.

And unlike CS, Watson has actually been fired from a coaching job because he wasn't performing or meeting a standard of excellence. He floundered around looking for a new one, it's not like he was some highly sought after commodity.

So many reasons why I fail to see any correlation here.

ETA: and more to the point, I've been busy all morning so I haven't read much- but are people complaining that hiring an incompetent Watson makes CS incompetent? Or are people just complaining that in their opinion, Watson sucks?

 

[ManoCornuda]

I don't understand the insouciance a lot of people have that we're leveraging the history, cachet and resources of the University of Texas' football program to give pay raises to most of the staff from a commuter basketball school in a terrible conference whose football program generates less than 30 million dollars a year. Seems like we should have higher ambitions than amalgamating into the University of Louisville at Austin.

 

[hookem123]

I didn't think Red was out of bounds at all. More will agree with him as time passes, a couple more recruits decommit, and more folks will come around to seeing things differently than all this Texas Strong business.