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This Is What I'm Hearing

Uh no . This is McPhaul hedging in case we don't land a tier 1 target. Mack's buyout included provisions that he cannot sue the univeristy over this. He's also getting paid a F@#K load of money, so once again, Mcphaul is lying

 
I can appreciate your candor on the subject. This was certainly not a built in excuse. I'm on record as saying it still goes down with Saban. Mack may just be trying to flex his ego one last time.
If anything, given what happened the first time we tried hiring Saban, McPhaul is/was trying to stay out front with information that's given to him and shared with you and everyone else. The possibility of Mack Brown taking legal action against UT or even BMDs was worthy of notifying the masses.

The reason the news came out yesterday, mostly, was because it came out yesterday, and multiple sources (unconnected) got it at roughly the same time.
Point well taken. I guess what baffled me more is why anybody truly in the know that wants Saban to coach the Longhorns would give out *any* information at this stage.

 
I got some time today for an intellectual exercise: the evaluation of Mack's supposed threatened lawsuit.

Anyone have links to Mack and Saban's contracts? I especially want the provision for Mack's termination and buyout.

Thanks.

 
With due respect this should not have been posted. Not a fact that it is going to happen. Another distraction which either coach hates and is going to be thrown in their face.

 
Lying? Come on man. The guys just mentioning what he heard. Doesn't mean it's about to go down. It's prob just BS from Mack's camp but that doesn't mean Mcphaul is "lying"

 
Lying? Come on man. The guys just mentioning what he heard. Doesn't mean it's about to go down. It's prob just BS from Mack's camp but that doesn't mean Mcphaul is "lying"
At this point, I don't think antone (let alone McPhaul after the energy he has invested in this subject) has the energy to deal with what they know isn't happening. Trying to discern what is happening is tiring enough.

It is nice to know there are still ardent passions supporting the change and getting it right. I'm not ready to storm Bellmont with my pitchfork, but I do keep it ready by the door in care it's needed.

 
Mack Brown is an employee!!!!!! The "please Coach Brown, resign" is the dumbest thing I have seen in years. Donations will NOT dry up. He should have been fired. It comes with the territory with the coaching profession. The university allowed this to happen and has given UT a black eye.

The President of the university should have a working relationship with the coaches on the staff, but that should be about it. Powers becoming friends with Mack has added to the muddy waters.

The way business is handled at UT is down right embarassing and is the definition of ineptitude. However, in light of the last few weeks, it is quite evident to see why players have a sense of entitlement. They were just following their leader.

 
OK, a quick review of Mack's contract and thoughts on the threat of litigation and litigation itself.

First, a few caveats:

1) It's Christmas so I only briefly skimmed Mack's contract and extension.

2) I am not licensed in Texas so not familiar with any laws special to Texas or the Travis County jury pool.

3) My area of practice is not contracts or contract litigation but I have drafted and litigated breach of contract cases in the past.

That being said, Mack did not need to resign to be terminated. Resignation and falling on one's sword is just the time honored way of terminating a relationship which saves face and honor to the terminated employee who is under performing. The contract clearly states that the AD will review Mack's performance and may choose to terminate at any time. If termination occurs, UT's obligations end on the date of termination and the applicable buyout payment is then due.

So terminating Brown does not form the basis of any legal action itself. Brown and his team (not sure if Jamail is included in this, he may be but he may be conflicted out--always smelled rotten that one of the biggest boosters was the attorney for the HC) though are looking at whether UT acted in bad faith by trying to prospectively terminate the contract and discuss his replacement while the contract was in place ( the replacement could be Saban or me, doesn't matter).

From a legal perspective, I don't see a solid basis for a suit. mack could have been fired last year just as easily as this year. From what we have heard, Powers elected not to fire Mack (not his call, power is with the AD) if he met certain conditions. This agreement was most likely oral and a gentleman's agreement, hence why Mack thought he could fudge it.

The initial outreach for feeling out any options post-Mack supposedly started with a regent not acting in any official capacity with the university. Private citizens can talk to anyone they want and discuss any options they Want to discuss. He could not bind UT unilaterally even if he wanted to. It should also be obvious that UT officially has reached out to several coaches prior to terminating Mack to at least guage interest. That seems like standard business practice and not a breach of any provision of the contract. No AD decides to terminate their head coach without looking at available options.

So I don't see much chance of success.

That doesn't mean that he won't sue. In America, the beauty and failure of the legal system is open access to the courts even when the chance for success is speculative at best.

Also, as I have stated before filing suit will kill Mack's current "job" and relationship at UT and Texas. It will also most likely kill any hopes of another head coaching job or job with the media because these employers don't like employees that bite the hand that feeds.

So, if true, my take is that it is nothing more than a bluff and saber ratlking. But to what point? What is Mack trying to accomplish? Put his stamp on the next HC? If he had not lost his last ally in Powers by breaking his promise to resign, he did so by sourcing that Forde story. I don't see any way that Mack is not on the outside looking in and remaining so for a long time.

 
OK, a quick review of Mack's contract and thoughts on the threat of litigation and litigation itself.
First, a few caveats:

1) It's Christmas so I only briefly skimmed Mack's contract and extension.

2) I am not licensed in Texas so not familiar with any laws special to Texas or the Travis County jury pool.

3) My area of practice is not contracts or contract litigation but I have drafted and litigated breach of contract cases in the past.

That being said, Mack did not need to resign to be terminated. Resignation and falling on one's sword is just the time honored way of terminating a relationship which saves face and honor to the terminated employee who is under performing. The contract clearly states that the AD will review Mack's performance and may choose to terminate at any time. If termination occurs, UT's obligations end on the date of termination and the applicable buyout payment is then due.

So terminating Brown does not form the basis of any legal action itself. Brown and his team (not sure if Jamail is included in this, he may be but he may be conflicted out--always smelled rotten that one of the biggest boosters was the attorney for the HC) though are looking at whether UT acted in bad faith by trying to prospectively terminate the contract and discuss his replacement while the contract was in place ( the replacement could be Saban or me, doesn't matter).

From a legal perspective, I don't see a solid basis for a suit. mack could have been fired last year just as easily as this year. From what we have heard, Powers elected not to fire Mack (not his call, power is with the AD) if he met certain conditions. This agreement was most likely oral and a gentleman's agreement, hence why Mack thought he could fudge it.

The initial outreach for feeling out any options post-Mack supposedly started with a regent not acting in any official capacity with the university. Private citizens can talk to anyone they want and discuss any options they Want to discuss. He could not bind UT unilaterally even if he wanted to. It should also be obvious that UT officially has reached out to several coaches prior to terminating Mack to at least guage interest. That seems like standard business practice and not a breach of any provision of the contract. No AD decides to terminate their head coach without looking at available options.

So I don't see much chance of success.

That doesn't mean that he won't sue. In America, the beauty and failure of the legal system is open access to the courts even when the chance for success is speculative at best.

Also, as I have stated before filing suit will kill Mack's current "job" and relationship at UT and Texas. It will also most likely kill any hopes of another head coaching job or job with the media because these employers don't like employees that bite the hand that feeds.

So, if true, my take is that it is nothing more than a bluff and saber ratlking. But to what point? What is Mack trying to accomplish? Put his stamp on the next HC? If he had not lost his last ally in Powers by breaking his promise to resign, he did so by sourcing that Forde story. I don't see any way that Mack is not on the outside looking in and remaining so for a long time.
Great post sir.

 
In my own personal opinion, and if this is true, it confirms what I think, as to what has gone down this past year. Joe Jamail has been the, behind the scenes, manipulator of the football situation. Bill Powers, Deloss Dodds and Mack Brown have simply been the puppets dancing on JJ's strings. Sure, all three have had agendas of their own. But their agendas have been trumped by the desires of Jamail - he ultimately calls the shots. He always has and he is doing it to this day. The University of Texas is a political institution and MONEY has always driven politics.

NOBODY really knows what Jamail wants, but I believe he thinks Saban would not put up with his crap or interference, so he is saying Saban is out.

We can forget Saban - it simply isn't happening if Jamail doesn't want him.

 
OK, a quick review of Mack's contract and thoughts on the threat of litigation and litigation itself.
First, a few caveats:

1) It's Christmas so I only briefly skimmed Mack's contract and extension.

2) I am not licensed in Texas so not familiar with any laws special to Texas or the Travis County jury pool.

3) My area of practice is not contracts or contract litigation but I have drafted and litigated breach of contract cases in the past.

That being said, Mack did not need to resign to be terminated. Resignation and falling on one's sword is just the time honored way of terminating a relationship which saves face and honor to the terminated employee who is under performing. The contract clearly states that the AD will review Mack's performance and may choose to terminate at any time. If termination occurs, UT's obligations end on the date of termination and the applicable buyout payment is then due.

So terminating Brown does not form the basis of any legal action itself. Brown and his team (not sure if Jamail is included in this, he may be but he may be conflicted out--always smelled rotten that one of the biggest boosters was the attorney for the HC) though are looking at whether UT acted in bad faith by trying to prospectively terminate the contract and discuss his replacement while the contract was in place ( the replacement could be Saban or me, doesn't matter).

From a legal perspective, I don't see a solid basis for a suit. mack could have been fired last year just as easily as this year. From what we have heard, Powers elected not to fire Mack (not his call, power is with the AD) if he met certain conditions. This agreement was most likely oral and a gentleman's agreement, hence why Mack thought he could fudge it.

The initial outreach for feeling out any options post-Mack supposedly started with a regent not acting in any official capacity with the university. Private citizens can talk to anyone they want and discuss any options they Want to discuss. He could not bind UT unilaterally even if he wanted to. It should also be obvious that UT officially has reached out to several coaches prior to terminating Mack to at least guage interest. That seems like standard business practice and not a breach of any provision of the contract. No AD decides to terminate their head coach without looking at available options.

So I don't see much chance of success.

That doesn't mean that he won't sue. In America, the beauty and failure of the legal system is open access to the courts even when the chance for success is speculative at best.

Also, as I have stated before filing suit will kill Mack's current "job" and relationship at UT and Texas. It will also most likely kill any hopes of another head coaching job or job with the media because these employers don't like employees that bite the hand that feeds.

So, if true, my take is that it is nothing more than a bluff and saber ratlking. But to what point? What is Mack trying to accomplish? Put his stamp on the next HC? If he had not lost his last ally in Powers by breaking his promise to resign, he did so by sourcing that Forde story. I don't see any way that Mack is not on the outside looking in and remaining so for a long time.
Thanks for taking the time to look through this stuff but I'm afraid you wasted your time. This rumor was about as bogus as any that have come out, and there have been a ton of bogus stuff coming out.

 
Thanks for taking the time to look through this stuff but I'm afraid you wasted your time. This rumor was about as bogus as any that have come out, and there have been a ton of bogus stuff coming out.
I don't think it's bogus. I think there is a better than 50/50 shot that Mack is threatening a suit. No doubt he us butt hurt and his ego is screaming at him to do something.

That dies not mean I think he sues. I think the chances are close to 0% if not actually 0%. He has too much to lose and does not gain enough by suing, even if he wins.

 
In my own personal opinion, and if this is true, it confirms what I think, as to what has gone down this past year. Joe Jamail has been the, behind the scenes, manipulator of the football situation. Bill Powers, Deloss Dodds and Mack Brown have simply been the puppets dancing on JJ's strings. Sure, all three have had agendas of their own. But their agendas have been trumped by the desires of Jamail - he ultimately calls the shots. He always has and he is doing it to this day. The University of Texas is a political institution and MONEY has always driven politics.
NOBODY really knows what Jamail wants, but I believe he thinks Saban would not put up with his crap or interference, so he is saying Saban is out.

We can forget Saban - it simply isn't happening if Jamail doesn't want him.
Has it occurred to anyone at UT that JJ may not be alive in six months? As rich as the school is, do we really need his gd money that bad?

Frankly, I'm tired of JJ waving his will and legal prowess in the faces of people paid to administrate UT whenever he doesn't get his way. It's gotten beyond old.

I've worried a while about people like JJ, Baker Montgomery, and other BMDs screwing our chances of landing a home run hire because they're more concerned of having access to practices, team functions, and the HC's wardrobe than they are about having a successful football team and the process of what it takes to achieve it.

We're in serious trouble if one guy is allowed to dominate the outcome.

 
Uh no . This is McPhaul hedging in case we don't land a tier 1 target. Mack's buyout included provisions that he cannot sue the univeristy over this. He's also getting paid a $#@! load of money, so once again, Mcphaul is lying
First of all I don't lie. I have no need for hedging either. I'm going to remind you that on this site we don't act like cowards. We don't hide behind a keyboard and type something about someone that we would not say face to face. You have a history of doing just that. You need to back to where that is acceptable.

 
First of all I don't lie. I have no need for hedging either. I'm going to remind you that on this site we don't act like cowards. We don't hide behind a keyboard and type something about someone that we would not say face to face. You have a history of doing just that. You need to back to where that is acceptable.
Bravo!

 
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