The Change

[TexasFirst1]

Here is the deal on Mack vs. Saban. In 2009 Mack told everyone that would listen that the MNC game with Bama was the good vs. the devil cheating empire. When Mack caught wind that we were talking to Sexton, he started this win with integrity slogan and started hanging up those signs around Belmont. Mack proceeded to tell Bill Powers that Saban was the last guy that would be a good fit at Texas. That Saban ran a program in an unethical manner by over signing and culling the team.
Mack does not want Saban at Texas.

Another great reason to want Saban at Texas...

 

[Anubis]

I'm a fan of win with integrity myself. Mack didn't come up with that in 2009, he's been living it his entire career.

If "win with integrity" signals a shot at Saban to folks, then that says something about Saban.

I think that's a legit question regarding Saban in any case. Can Saban be successful with a different standard of integrity? Or does Texas lower it's own standards of integrity.

 

[Embrey]

Without talking to Mack Brown directly, I don't think anyone here knows whether he's got distain for Saban or not. What seems clear is it's important to someone to send the message out that Mack Brown has distain for Saban. So I think all we really know is that there's a leaker with distain for Mack Brown.
I think a little caution is deserved in judging people from third, fourth, and fifth hand accounts.

It is clear that someone is sending the message that MB has disdain for CNS. That does not substantiate that the leaker has disdain for MB. For all we know the leaker also has disdain for CNS.

 

[ATX89]

I'm a fan of win with integrity myself. Mack didn't come up with that in 2009, he's been living it his entire career.
If "win with integrity" signals a shot at Saban to folks, then that says something about Saban.

I think that's a legit question regarding Saban in any case. Can Saban be successful with a different standard of integrity? Or does Texas lower it's own standards of integrity.

Sally?

 

[timwright84]

Here's a question about Briles. If Briles is the man, will he demand to bring some of his staff? Briles has 2 family members on staff, Kendal Briles and Jeff Lebby (son-in-law). Art Briles might be Texas good but are his assistants?

 

[Anubis]

Sally?

I know you'd like to believe that only Sally could possible have respect for Mack Brown. But truth is a lot of folks in the coaching fraternity have respect for Mack. I personally greatly value successful coaches who offer an inspiration to other coaches for how to win with integrity. How the game was meant to be offered to young men once upon a time, and how it still is for many people who value it that way. Mack has done that, and I particularly like that he did it at Texas.

 

[Embrey]

Can we please get on without discussing MB anymore?

The next coach will forever be chasing DKR for most wins, most conference championships, most national championships and to be the greatest coach Texas has ever had.

Nobody remembers second place.

 

[Santiam]

McP, I can't imagine that we would tell whomever we hire that we have already hired one of his assistants. That just does not make sense to me. However, it could be that we already know who the HC is and are interviewing and perhaps hiring Ed O for that person's staff. Any thoughts on this?

 

[cujo0622]

He isnt part of anyones puzzle. Sorry but not happening

 

[Shaunsters]

He isnt part of anyones puzzle. Sorry but not happening

Love your insight Cujo. But I have a guy that had been handling a lot of stuff directly. That tells me you are wrong. Does that mean it will happen? No. But to say there isn't still communication is flat out a lie. 100%

 

[Darrell McPhaul]

I'm a fan of win with integrity myself. Mack didn't come up with that in 2009, he's been living it his entire career.
If "win with integrity" signals a shot at Saban to folks, then that says something about Saban.

I think that's a legit question regarding Saban in any case. Can Saban be successful with a different standard of integrity? Or does Texas lower it's own standards of integrity.

There is no question that Saban will operate in the gray area. Does that make him unethical or a innovator? After the Cleve Bryant stuff came out, Mack is really in no position to speak about someone else's lack of integrity. At Texas, we have used the integrity tag when it has suited us.

 

[Pottsy]

I'm a fan of win with integrity myself. Mack didn't come up with that in 2009, he's been living it his entire career.
If "win with integrity" signals a shot at Saban to folks, then that says something about Saban.

I think that's a legit question regarding Saban in any case. Can Saban be successful with a different standard of integrity? Or does Texas lower it's own standards of integrity.

I respect you opinion, but since when does running a program with multiple sexual scandals any worse than what Saban is doing with his program? Cleve Bryant, Major Applewhite, Bev Kearney and more to be uncovered for sure...

That on top of losing that last couple of years. What was Mack's win loss record over the last 4 years? Because the last 4 years would cover 25% of his career at Texas. "Losing with Integrity." is not acceptable for someone making $5.4 million a year.

JMHO.

 

[ATX89]

I know you'd like to believe that only Sally could possible have respect for Mack Brown. But truth is a lot of folks in the coaching fraternity have respect for Mack. I personally greatly value successful coaches who offer an inspiration to other coaches for how to win with integrity. How the game was meant to be offered to young men once upon a time, and how it still is for many people who value it that way. Mack has done that, and I particularly like that he did it at Texas.

I simply hope the next coach completely nukes the country club/milk and cookies atmosphere that was heavily promoted during Mack's time in Austin. Mack has no more or no less integrity than the vast majority of the D1 coaches currently in place now. Putting him on a pedestal when his whole "winning with integrity" was a direct smear campaign against Saban is silly. Mack didn't like that Sexton met with Hall and Hicks last January and has been pouting ever since. Definitely a high integrity reaction don't you think?

That Mack allowed and begged for Cleve Bryant to be retained is horribly lacking in integrity or respect towards those adversely affected by Cleve's horrific actions. Allowing Major to remain on staff after his indiscretions of which we only know of one incident is equally lacking in "integrity". I could go on, but don't know that you will acknowledge these clear issues with Saint Mack.

 

[cujo0622]

So we are calling assistants when we havent gotten a hc

 

[Randolph Duke]

I respect you opinion, but since when does running a program with multiple sexual scandals any worse than what Saban is doing with his program? Cleve Bryant, Major Applewhite, Bev Kearney and more to be uncovered for sure...
That on top of losing that last couple of years. What was Mack's win loss record over the last 4 years? Because the last 4 years would cover 25% of his career at Texas. "Losing with Integrity." is not acceptable for someone making $5.4 million a year.

JMHO.

So you think Mack was responsible for regulating the sexual activity of the women's track coach. Interesting. Is the football coach also expected to monitor the genetalia of the volleyball, basketball and basketball coaches? Maybe the new coach could handle an assistant to approve of disapprove of when the coaches and assistant of the other programs at the University wish to have sex with their significant others. Handling all those phone calls personally could get burdensome to our new head coach.

 

[DizzG]

So we are calling assistants when we havent gotten a hc

are you talking about Ed O? I have no idea if that is true or not, but there is obviously talk going around for Eric Nahlin to hear from a UT commit at the Army Combine that O talked to UT from USC guys. If thats a false story, someone has created a fast traveling rumor for talk to be going around at the Combine

 

[UT Horn]

I don't think OB was reporting on the info that came out of this site. They start their thread stating they received an email that Ed O was in SA and would be driving to Austin and looked into it from there.

 

[CarlosDanger]

There is no question that Saban will operate in the gray area. Does that make him unethical or a innovator? After the Cleve Bryant stuff came out, Mack is really in no position to speak about someone else's lack of integrity. At Texas, we have used the integrity tag when it has suited us.

Or the bullcrap he's pulled in the last 2 weeks....after having agreed to resign if no big 12 title and then jerking Powers around just to keep Coach Holy Father Saban from coming to the promised land.

Like the OBC used to call Mack...MR FOOTBALL!!!!