Slim Pickings/realignment

[betogonzalez]

Beto: What "quality" team are you going to add right now? Everyone who is any good is locked up.[/quote
I agree that the "quality" schools are locked up. However, if the winds of change shift and a quality school (FSU for example) can get out of its GOR agreement, then we should go after them. I concede that the chances of this happening in the near future are slim. My main point was that the schools suggested in the original post are not attractive enough to go after.

 

[Lord Vader]

Oh of course if you can get a big boy out of a GOR thats different.

 

[theknighttrain]

Apparently I'm late to the party.

What is this "D4" stuff? Next year's playoff system?

 

[TheContractor]

Beto: What "quality" team are you going to add right now? Everyone who is any good is locked up.[/quote
I agree that the "quality" schools are locked up. However, if the winds of change shift and a quality school (FSU for example) can get out of its GOR agreement, then we should go after them. I concede that the chances of this happening in the near future are slim. My main point was that the schools suggested in the original post are not attractive enough to go after.

I'll play. Lets for discussion sake put the GOR aside for now(I don't think it's likely anyone gets out of it but that's a different discussion) and talk about Fsu as a free agent. They can't go to sec but why come to Big 12 over Big 10. Yes Texas and Ou and getting into Texas but is this about $? And if so Fsu can make a ton more in Big10 than Big12. And Big will take a close friend GT also.

We had our chance to get the girl and instead were too busy chasing one we were very unlikely to ever get.

That's all on Deloss.

 

[Lord Vader]

Apparently I'm late to the party.What is this "D4" stuff? Next year's playoff system?

Division 4 is proposed new division or breakaway from the NCAA of about the top 66 teams in the country. The "haves" getting away from the "have nots".

Board of D-I reps formally proposes Division 4 for NCAA - CBSSports.com

 

[Lord Vader]

I'll play. Lets for discussion sake put the GOR aside for now(I don't think it's likely anyone gets out of it but that's a different discussion) and talk about Fsu as a free agent. They can't go to sec but why come to Big 12 over Big 10. Yes Texas and Ou and getting into Texas but is this about $? And if so Fsu can make a ton more in Big10 than Big12. And Big will take a close friend GT also.

We had our chance to get the girl and instead were too busy chasing one we were very unlikely to ever get.

That's all on Deloss.

Its very difficult to debunk any of that other than some increased travel expenses. Im sure theyd end up playing Rutgers, Penn State, GT, and Maryland on a yearly basis which arent outside their travel foot print now.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Division 4 is proposed new division or breakaway from the NCAA of about the top 66 teams in the country. The "haves" getting away from the "have nots".(but the article goes on to discuss the proposed split)

Board of D-I reps formally proposes Division 4 for NCAA - CBSSports.com

Three weeks ago, CBS sports was saying it was unlikely to happen.

The chairman of the NCAA's Division I Board of Directors told USA Today Tuesday that a new subdivision separating the FBS haves from the rest of Division I's have-nots isn't likely to come to fruition.

 

"From what I've heard in the association, I think people would like to have one Division I, but in some ways, a structure that will make certain differentiations between small conferences and big conferences," said Nathan Hatch, DI board chairman and president at Wake Forest University. "I think people like having one division."

NCAA official: 'Division 4' split of Division I unlikely - CBSSports.com

 

[Coach840]

Any chance if Maryland doesn't settle with ACC soon, Louisville might be an option, just wondering ..thanks

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Bingo. What a depressing group to choose from. Deloss waiting on ND and not actively working on Florida St. Clemson, Va Tech etc. is hurting now. Louisville athletically would be attractive as well.....at least from a football and hoops perspective.

It was never going to work. It's as simple as this: ND as a school would much rather be on the east coast than in the plains, and even more than that, ND would much rather associate with a string of elite schools, both state and private, than with Texas and a string of non-elite schools.

And because ND was involved, there was 0 chance any school not in as awful a shape in sports finances as Maryland would leave the ACC.

Dodds tried, but the task was impossible. What I think Dodds succeeded in doing is laying a foundation so that if Texas wishes to join us in the ACC, the deal will be done with no snags.

 

[Lord Vader]

I dont think the NCAA is in a position to dictate a damn thing. The schools want to break away they'll break away.

 

[Center1]

I don't think D4 will happen as quickly has some might hope. I think at first it wll be a restructer of rules.

1. More scholarships

2. Players can work sell autographs

3. Pay players

4. Non BCS Conf no playoff money

5. More coaches more practice time with players.

 

[Lord Vader]

Cant do #3 in this current format, because the have nots are voting down stipends they cant afford.

 

[TheContractor]

Its very difficult to debunk any of that other than some increased travel expenses. Im sure theyd end up playing Rutgers, Penn State, GT, and Maryland on a yearly basis which arent outside their travel foot print now.

yeah but by the same logic, if Fsu came to Big12 they would be with Wv, Kansas, KSt, Iowa St.

 

[TheContractor]

It was never going to work. It's as simple as this: ND as a school would much rather be on the east coast than in the plains, and even more than that, ND would much rather associate with a string of elite schools, both state and private, than with Texas and a string of non-elite schools.
And because ND was involved, there was 0 chance any school not in as awful a shape in sports finances as Maryland would leave the ACC.

Dodds tried, but the task was impossible. What I think Dodds succeeded in doing is laying a foundation so that if Texas wishes to join us in the ACC, the deal will be done with no snags.

Sorry Irish, i completely disagree that Dodds was trying to lay a foundation. He wanted what he wanted and didnt give a shit about anything or anyone else. Dodds was very selfish and tried to leave a legacy of getting the prettiest girl but instead, IMO, should be known as the guy that may have ended Big 12.

 

[Donald Boyles]

Again, Im waiting to see what happens with Division 4, but if there is truly a need for us to have a CCG, then youve got to add someone.....

Help me out..What is Division 4??

 

[Lord Vader]

Board of D-I reps formally proposes Division 4 for NCAA - CBSSports.com

 

[Center1]

Non BCS school will loose right to vote against BCS schools

 

[Lord Vader]

There needs to be a split. Buffalo, New Mexico State, and Southern Mississippi should not be able to define the destiny of schools like Texas, Alabama, and Ohio State.

 

[joebobb]

Cincinnati and UCF are hidden gems. While they seem unattractive because they do not have the sexiness of Louisville or a Boise State or a TCU, they both bring a ton of things those schools can only dream of.

Both Bring fertile recruiting states.

Up and coming programs. If Cincinnati beats Louisville (which they probably will next week) they will have five 10 win seasons in the last 6 seasons. Plus 2 BCS appearances. UCF could go to their first BCS game this year to help legitimize that program. Since they entered the Big East, Cincinnati has a better overall record than Louisville. Neither school will be a bottom feeder either (unlike Rutgers and MD in the BIG or Utah and CO in the PAC) and neither will be the power school in the conference. What they will do is create competitive/compelling matchups that make the conference stronger from top to bottom, bring 2 large markets to the table, 2 fertile recruiting states, and a lot of upside.

Look at the changes over the past 3 years

Neb to BIG - Neb is a great brand from a small state and but has been mediocre for the last decade. One could say their best days are behind them. The BIG gets a brand with a diminishing value.

CO & UTAH to PAC - Colorado has done nothing over the last decade and their program has been reduced to a joke since McCartney left in the 1990s. They are a poor recruiting state and jump to a conference where they can no longer distinguish themselves in their recruiting territory. They have not added quality to the PAC. Utah has an upside but in reality is another CO. THey needed a coach like Urban Meyer to bring them to prominence but after he left the program suffered. Not a great recruiting area and they were not prepared to take the step up to the PAC. They have a marginal upside but really just brought inventory to the PAC. They were not the first choice.

Texas A&M and Missouri to SEC - Missouri is a middling team that is doing well this year in the SEC East. They were a pleasant surprise to the SEC but this is likely more to do with the SEC east being down this year. A&M is a solid addition in everyway and a program wit a ton of upside. THis was the home run of additions. It did everything an addition is supposed to do, open recruiting grounds, new TV markets, passionate fan base, good school with academics.

Rutgers/MD to BIG - only reason it was done was for TV, not for the brands.

Pitt, Syracuse, Louisiviile to ACC - Louisville is the exact same program as Cincinnati in a less fertile recruiting area. If you were a college football fan and had to choose between Pitt and Syracuse or Cincinnati and UCF you would want Cincinnati and UCF. THis is no longer about what the teams did in the 70s and 80s. This was the last time those teams were relavant. Syracuse has never been to a BCS game and Pitt only went in 2004 because of a convoluted tie breaker in a BIG East that had Miami and Va Tech defect (and Pitt got slaughtered by Utah).

If you look at all the conference additions over the last 5 years, how many actually have moved the needle in excitement. Other than Tex A&M moving to SEC and maybe Nebraska going to the BIG, nothing else has been exciting. I would take Cincinnati and UCF over more than half the other schools.

 

[Center1]

Good post jobobb, I would take Cincinnati and UCF go back to playing 8 Conf games and add another marque OoC game.