Saban, Conference Expansion, & other things

[Lord Vader]

In 12years?

Progress is coming, slowly but surely.

 

[utparothed]

Both the Acc and Pac would allow Texas and Ou to bring some friends and pretty much keep the most important part of the Big 12 intact. Easier for travel and also for regional power in the conference.

Which programs are you considering the most important? Going off of recent results (last couple of years or so) I'd guess UT, ou, osu, bu, ksu and maybe tt.

Progress is coming, slowly but surely.

How're super conferences going to deal with existing GORs if progress actually gets here <12 years?

 

[Lord Vader]

How're super conferences going to deal with existing GORs if progress actually gets here <12 years?

Good question, and one Id assume the lawyers would work out if needed. Ive got a legal guy Ill run that by, see what his opinion is.

 

[TheContractor]

Which programs are you considering the most important? Going off of recent results (last couple of years or so) I'd guess UT, ou, osu, bu, ksu and maybe tt.

Our closest allies:Ou, Bu, TT, Ok St and if room Tcu. Probably not Kst, I foresee PAC move long term for KSt. If big 12 ceases to exist Ku to Big 10, Isu PAC? Wv to sec or Acc. Tcu with Texas to Acc or Tcu to PAC so Pac can get their foot into Texas.

 

[CardSID]

McPhaul, I came to this site after I heard you were hear. Enjoy the information you share. Thanks.

 

[LongviewLobo01]

New to the board. Real quick I'm hearing the following:
1. Looking more and more like Saban coming to Austin

2. Previously the thinking was Muschamp would be Plan B. Not so much any more. Talk about Gruden has stepped up along with Pete Carroll and Mike Tomlin. For whatever reason, should Saban fall thru we are looking more and more at going the pro route with this hire.

3. Muschamp is no being seen as a third tier candidate along with Briles.

4. No mention of Strong

5. Cincinnati & UCF have been talked about for a while. Although these schools don't excite anyone, I've been told the good news is that Saban could now go into Ohio and Florida and recruit kids letting their parents know that they will get to see their boys play in-state should they come to UT.

SG

I would give up my first born son to have Tomlin or Gruden if we can't get Saban. Personally, although I think Saban is the most sure thing there is, I'd almost rather end up with Gruden or Tomlin because both of those guys are younger and would be here longer than Saban. With Saban being 62, you have to think it would take him 2-3 years to turn things completely around and by that point he's 65 when we would probably begin our run. Anyone think he's really coaching until he's 70?

Gruden is 50 and Tomlin is only 41 right now. Either of those guys could be here for 7-10 years without missing a beat. The biggest argument I hear against Gruden or Tomlin is the fact that they are NFL guys who haven't had a lot of experience in the college game and recruiting might be a bit of a challenge, but I disagree. I think they are both super personable and with their name recognition they will be an instant hit with recruits. Not to mention the fact that both have Super Bowl title(s) under their belt as head coaches. And I have no doubt that they would surround themselves with capable assistants who have ties to the college game to help with the day to day recruiting challenges. For the most part, head coaches don't do a lot of the heavy lifting on the recruiting trail and I think that's why the assistants that they bring in would be very important.

 

[Lord Vader]

Im with you on Tomlin Lobo, that would be one of the few "doomsday" hires which would knock the planet off its axis

 

[UTK66]

Tomlin I could probably deal with. Gruden, no way in hell do I want that guy as the Texas coach.

 

[TheContractor]

Neither have proven to be college coaches, its a different ball game. Also, u have to be able to defend spread in college.

 

[Lord Vader]

Tomlin I could probably deal with. Gruden, no way in hell do I want that guy as the Texas coach.

Said it 100 times now, Gruden hasnt coached in college in two decades, and coached period in years.

 

[Wolfman]

As far as academics: (in the top 100)

Duke #7 ~ Stanford #5

Notre Dame #18 ~ Cal #20

UVa #23 ~ USC #23

Wake #23 ~ UCLA #23

The ACC has UNC #30, BC #31, GT #36, Miami #47, Clemson #62, SU #62, Pitt #62, VT #69, FSU 91

The P12 has Washington #52, Colorado #86.

I'm biased but I would say academics favor the ACC.

In my fantasy world, I would create 4 pods, each with 5 teams. The existing ACC would be divided into 3 pods. North - anchored by Notre dame. East - anchored by Clemson and VT. South - anchored by FSU and Miami. I would add a West pod - anchored by Texas and Oklahoma. I'm guessing Oklahoma would want OSU and Texas would want TT? I'd like to see Kansas as #5 but I really see them in the B1G. Beyond that I see TCU and Baylor being approximately equal.

FWIW - there is a lot of bad blood between WVU and the ACC. I don't know where it comes from but I don't see WVU in the ACC...EVER! They really don't help with a West pod anyway.

I would also have regional/pod tournaments with the winners advancing to the conference tournament. For football you could have the winner of each pod in a 1-game play off. Something like E vs W, N vs S with the winners advancing to the CCG. I know this requires NCAA rule changes but January is coming...

 

[Lord Vader]

Outstanding post. Anything beats this limited conference

May want to read this rumor http://www.hornsports.com/forums/burnt-orange-board-bob-57/texas-big-10-a-2703/#post15770

 

[Mulligan30]

The ACC would be my favorite. IMO the ACC has better football, BASKETBALL & darn good baseball.
In addition, I believe the southern culture is important to maintain.

Please let this happen. I'm a huge college hoops fan. Just imagine Duke, UNC and Syracuse (among others) coming to play here on a semi annual basis.

 

[Coach840]

Basketball and Baseball would have a lot of good matchups

 

[HornSolo]

The ACC would be my favorite. IMO the ACC has better football, BASKETBALL & darn good baseball.
In addition, I believe the southern culture is important to maintain.

I agree but would the ACC move the meter with recruits like a conference filled with Ohio State , Michigan and US....just wondering?

 

[Massiah]

Newby here! Awesome sight. Mcphaul are you hearing anything on Urban Meyers anymore?

 

[Lord Vader]

I agree but would the ACC move the meter with recruits like a conference filled with Ohio State , Michigan and US....just wondering?

I think so. Honestly, its moving the needle with recruits having alternate uniforms that look like Pablo Picasso crapped all over them. Not sure history sways this bunch as much as "bling"

 

[TheContractor]

As far as academics: (in the top 100)Duke #7 ~ Stanford #5

Notre Dame #18 ~ Cal #20

UVa #23 ~ USC #23

Wake #23 ~ UCLA #23

The ACC has UNC #30, BC #31, GT #36, Miami #47, Clemson #62, SU #62, Pitt #62, VT #69, FSU 91

The P12 has Washington #52, Colorado #86.

I'm biased but I would say academics favor the ACC.

In my fantasy world, I would create 4 pods, each with 5 teams. The existing ACC would be divided into 3 pods. North - anchored by Notre dame. East - anchored by Clemson and VT. South - anchored by FSU and Miami. I would add a West pod - anchored by Texas and Oklahoma. I'm guessing Oklahoma would want OSU and Texas would want TT? I'd like to see Kansas as #5 but I really see them in the B1G. Beyond that I see TCU and Baylor being approximately equal.

FWIW - there is a lot of bad blood between WVU and the ACC. I don't know where it comes from but I don't see WVU in the ACC...EVER! They really don't help with a West pod anyway.

I would also have regional/pod tournaments with the winners advancing to the conference tournament. For football you could have the winner of each pod in a 1-game play off. Something like E vs W, N vs S with the winners advancing to the CCG. I know this requires NCAA rule changes but January is coming...

Love the post.

Baylor>Tcu.

I like the 5 teams, 4 pods idea but maybe CCG issues. Assume u play 4 teams in ur pod and (1vs2) teams other pods. Meaning 7 vs 10 conf schedule. Do u have a final 4 conf playoffs to determine champ? If dividing in half(2, 10 team division), 9 conf games on your own side and at least 1 on the other side. 4 pods gives u more of a rotation vc team from other pods.

Maybe playing 7 conf games, 4 non conf games and then 1-2 flex games at end of year to determine conf champ(kind of like a top 4playoff) but all teams are in ther own small 4 team playoff.

Example:1Tx vs 2ND, 3Fsu vs 4Clemson. Then winners and losers play for NCAA playoffs and bowl seedlings. 1 vs 3, 2vs 4.

Also, 1TT vs 2syracuse, 3GT vs 4Wake. They might all be 3-8(but get their own playoff/flex games at end of year)

Sec would take WV if going to 20.

Acc>Big10>PAC

I still don't see it bc of GOR.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

New to the board. Real quick I'm hearing the following:
1. Looking more and more like Saban coming to Austin

2. Previously the thinking was Muschamp would be Plan B. Not so much any more. Talk about Gruden has stepped up along with Pete Carroll and Mike Tomlin. For whatever reason, should Saban fall thru we are looking more and more at going the pro route with this hire.

3. Muschamp is no being seen as a third tier candidate along with Briles.

4. No mention of Strong

5. Cincinnati & UCF have been talked about for a while. Although these schools don't excite anyone, I've been told the good news is that Saban could now go into Ohio and Florida and recruit kids letting their parents know that they will get to see their boys play in-state should they come to UT.

SG

Welcome aboard, SG

1. My ranking, based on your list of coaching candidates, is Saban, Tomlin, Carroll, Gruden and Muschamp.

2. I'm a little scared of hiring a NFL coach without a proven track record of recruiting success. Obviously, Carroll can do it. But Tomlin or Gruden? I don't know. Guess the administration is confident The University sells itself!

3. Surprised we'd consider Muschamp & Briles "3rd Tier" candidates. Not really interested in bringing Muschamp back because his offense sucks. At his age, I don't think Briles will leave a program he's built either.

4. I'm surprised we're not looking at Strong. What about Stanford's, David Shaw?

5. I'm fine with adding both UCF and Cincinnati. Disappointed we didn't just add Louisville as 11th member, but this is acceptable. Especially if Cincy maintains its powerhouse hoops program. UCF is the largest, fastest-growing public university in FL. Adding them is forward thinking. FSU was unknown back in the 70's.

Lastly, I don't see our rumored new AD, Oliver Luck, as being a "yes man" type. He's going to want significant influence in the decision-making process for our new coaches. He's a brilliant, take-charge guy. I think he'll be a great fit for UT athletics!

 

[TheContractor]

Welcome aboard, SG
1. My ranking, based on your list of coaching candidates, is Saban, Tomlin, Carroll, Gruden and Muschamp.

2. I'm a little scared of hiring a NFL coach without a proven track record of recruiting success. Obviously, Carroll can do it. But Tomlin or Gruden? I don't know. Guess the administration is confident The University sells itself!

3. Surprised we'd consider Muschamp & Briles "3rd Tier" candidates. Not really interested in bringing Muschamp back because his offense sucks. At his age, I don't think Briles will leave a program he's built either.

4. I'm surprised we're not looking at Strong. What about Stanford's, David Shaw?

5. I'm fine with adding both UCF and Cincinnati. Disappointed we didn't just add Louisville as 11th member, but this is acceptable. Especially if Cincy maintains its powerhouse hoops program. UCF is the largest, fastest-growing public university in FL. Adding them is forward thinking. FSU was unknown back in the 70's.

Lastly, I don't see our rumored new AD, Oliver Luck, as being a "yes man" type. He's going to want significant influence in the decision-making process for our new coaches. He's a brilliant, take-charge guy. I think he'll be a great fit for UT athletics!

U have a few coaches u rank pretty high but then have good reasons they should not be head coach.

I want nothing to do with Gruden, don't step on campus. Tomlin hasn't coached in college.

Briles is out recruiting Texas at Baylor, head to head, think about that. Great O mind, paired with a very good DC would be great. Briles and Strong are 20 x more proven that Gruden and Tomlin. Gruden doesn't have a coaching job for a few yrs.