RANDOLPH DUKE THE AGS LOVE YOU

[drgilbert]

Questions for Bearded and Telco, do you believe the story as it's told, that Gill was the last standing player on the sideline or has RD shown proof that the story has been embellished? Now I'm not asking about the trademark part, just the part about Gill all alone on the sidelines.

 

[Randolph Duke]

So I'm guess that's a 'no' to having a copy of McQuillen's broadcast, right Randy?

The Cushing Library says there is no copy in the university archive. There is nothing in the Library of Congress, either. I am assuming the radio play was broadcast in WTAW. They may have a copy, but i doubt it.

The Cushing Library is digitizing its collection of The Battalion and I am expecting once that is finished, we will get a better picture when the student newspaper started referring to the fans as the team's 12th Man as well as get some more info on the radio play. For all I know, the university, in response to the call they received this week, may be already searching whether The Battalion spoke of the 1939 radio play. I doubt it though.

My guess is the university will trot out some meaningless statement that will be shredded to pieces in seconds. The university administrators know by now their scheme has run its course and they also know whatever they say at this point is will have to be defended in public, so I'm not expecting much from them.

By the way, the Red Thompson letter seems to be in an IBM font. People I have showed to to seem to think it is "Elite" which wasn't even invented until 1953, so any thought that letter pre-dates the radio play is invalid. I knew when I read it Thompson was just parroting the radio play fairy tale. I am trying to find out when Thompson died so we can establish a range for the date of that letter and narrow that down over time, so if you could pass that info along, I would appreciate it.

The problem for the university remains they can't reconcile Gill's 1964 explanation of how the school's tradition originated in 1939 with the representations made in the trademark filing that it started in 1922. I hope the school gets asked why there isn't a scrap of paper anyone living or dead has ever seen that pre-dates the radio play that ties Gill in with the tradition. Of course, i know why, but i would like to hear the school administrators explain that on the record.

So no copy of McQuillen's radio play and no newspaper reference to its broadcast, either. Just Gill's explanation that it was the origin of the school's 12h Man tradition.

 

[Randolph Duke]

What the F@#k does the Alamo have to do with anything? That's at least the second time you've brought it up. The way you keep inserting it into your arguments doesn't make any sense.

Yesterday was the 180th anniversary of the start of the siege of the Alamo. I guess they didn't teach you about the Alamo at fish camp, so you don't know about it.

To Texans, this time of year has a certain meaning attached to it and is a time where some reflect on what others have done to give us what we have to enjoy today. Its sad that some discredit the sacrifices of Texans to bastardize Texas history the way the aggy cult has chosen to do.

I'm learning there are certain aspects of Texan culture such as honesty, integrity and the Alamo that aggys don't seem to know much about. But I am sure you know all about the culture of your beloved SEC, don't you?

 

[BeardedTexan]

Do I think it's been romanticized over the years? Sure. Do I think he thought it was a big deal at the time? No.

Do I think that any of this actually matters when it comes to holding A&M's trademark. Not even close. You could prove that Gill never even existed and it wouldn't have any bearing on the fact that A&M has had this trademark for almost 30 years and every instance it had to defend it has been successful.

Duke is spinning his wheels over something that no actual professional will take A&M to court about so this is all a moot point.

 

[BeardedTexan]

Yesterday was the 180th anniversary of the start of the siege of the Alamo. I guess they didn't teach you about the Alamo at fish camp, so you don't know about it.

There are certain aspects of Texan culture such as honesty, integrity and the Alamo that aggys don't seem to know much about.

And Muster is held on the anniversary of the Battle of San Jacinto. All I want to know is what the Battle of the Alamo has to do with a Texas A&M 12th Man trademark?

Or, once again, are you hoping that by posting a giant, wordy response that people will assume that you actually know what you are talking about. (you don't)

 

[telcoag]

Questions for Bearded and Telco, do you believe the story as it's told, that Gill was the last standing player on the sideline or has RD shown proof that the story has been embellished? Now I'm not asking about the trademark part, just the part about Gill all alone on the sidelines.

That's not how it was originally told to me, though many have understood or misrepresented it to be that. It's not on anything official at present, that I know of.

He wasn't the only one on the sideline. I'd guarantee that. I do believe he was the only one with backfield experience (which is where the injuries mounted up), but I haven't ever sat down to verify that.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Do I think it's been romanticized over the years? Sure. Do I think he thought it was a big deal at the time? No.

Do I think that any of this actually matters when it comes to holding A&M's trademark. Not even close. You could prove that Gill never even existed and it wouldn't have any bearing on the fact that A&M has had this trademark for almost 30 years and every instance it had to defend it has been successful.

Duke is spinning his wheels over something that no actual professional will take A&M to court about so this is all a moot point.

Ask Chuckie Sonntag if it matters that the trademark the university used to try to ruin his life was actually part of a fraudulent scheme the school was perpetuating. 

The reason the university has been "successful" in defending the trademark is because they file fraudulent pleadings in court to do so. This time, they were lucky enough to get an aggy who had no personal integrity and allowed the fraudulent pleadings to elicit a settlement. How is that "success"? This is just more fraudulent behavior and a judge who utterly lacks personal integrity (or who never read the pleadings).

The aggy definition of "success" seems to be much different than that of members outside the cult.

The degree of aggy loyalty to the cult and their total lack of honesty and integrity is really on display. I'm glad people are getting to see this side of aggy culture so clearly.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

This thread has become pointless kinda like the topic in my opinion. 

 

[BeardedTexan]

Ask Chickie Sonntag if it matters that the trademark the university used to try to ruin his life was actually part of a fraudulent scheme the school was perpetuating.

Another lie, A&M sent him several notices to stop, only when he didn't did that have to sue him. And by the way, Sonntag was not the only person involved in that, several others were involved in that business but the media only talked about Sonntag because he was disabled in an effort to make A&M look worse.

 

[BeardedTexan]

The aggy definition of "success" seems to be much different than that of members outside the cult.

Has A&M successfully defended it's trademark on several occasions? Yes, or no?

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Questions for Bearded and Telco, do you believe the story as it's told, that Gill was the last standing player on the sideline or has RD shown proof that the story has been embellished? Now I'm not asking about the trademark part, just the part about Gill all alone on the sidelines.

 

[telcoag]

The Cushing Library says there is no copy in the university archive. There is nothing in the Library of Congress, either. I am assuming the radio play was broadcast in WTAW. They may have a copy, but i doubt it.

The Cushing Library is digitizing its collection of The Battalion and I am expecting once that is finished, we will get a better picture when the student newspaper started referring to the fans as the team's 12th Man as well as get some more info on the radio play. For all I know, the university, in response to the call they received this week, may be already searching whether The Battalion spoke of the 1939 radio play. I doubt it though.

My guess is the university will trot out some meaningless statement that will be shredded to pieces in seconds. The university administrators know by now their scheme has run its course and they also know whatever they say at this point is will have to be defended in public, so I'm not expecting much from them.

By the way, the Red Thompson letter seems to be in an IBM font. People I have showed to to seem to think it is "Elite" which wasn't even invented until 1953, so any thought that letter pre-dates the radio play is invalid. I knew when I read it Thompson was just parroting the radio play fairy tale. I am trying to find out when Thompson died so we can establish a range for the date of that letter and narrow that down over time, so if you could pass that info along, I would appreciate it.

The problem for the university remains they can't reconcile Gill's 1964 explanation of how the school's tradition originated in 1939 with the representations made in the trademark filing that it started in 1922. I hope the school gets asked why there isn't a scrap of paper anyone living or dead has ever seen that pre-dates the radio play that ties Gill in with the tradition. Of course, i know why, but i would like to hear the school administrators explain that on the record.

So no copy of McQuillen's radio play and no newspaper reference to its broadcast, either. Just Gill's explanation that it was the origin of the school's 12h Man tradition.

That's a whole lot of words to just say "no."

You keep stating that McQuillen presented the story as a fairy tale, yet have no proof that he ever misrepresented it. Even Gill's letter regarding the broadcast didn't intimate the crap you've been throwing out.

Remember the Alamo.

 

[telcoag]

This thread has become pointless kinda like the topic in my opinion.

Welcome to a crash course in Aspergers. Let Randy's verbosity be your guide.

 

[BeardedTexan]

I really want to know what Duke's wife and kids think about all of the time he's been spending on this.

 

[Randolph Duke]

That's not how it was originally told to me, though many have understood or misrepresented it to be that. It's not on anything official at present, that I know of.

He wasn't the only one on the sideline. I'd guarantee that. I do believe he was the only one with backfield experience (which is where the injuries mounted up), but I haven't ever sat down to verify that.

(Mind you, there is additional research that I'm not disclosing at this time)

That Gill wasn't the only player on the sideline should make you wonder why he would have been selected as the hero of the game over any of the other players. Gill wasn't the only player on the sideline, but he was the only backfield player on the sideline at the end of the game other than Neibuhr who evidently had been elevated from the reserve squad as a substitute quarterback for the game.

Arguably, since Gill knew the playbook and what the backs were to do for each play, he would have been able to be more effective than if any of the other available substitutes had played out of position. 

Does keeping another available substitute from having to play out of position make anyone the hero of the game? E.E. McQuillen made it out to be, but prior to his radio play in 1939, no one else did.

Wilson (lineman)

Carruthers (lineman)

Wendt (lineman)

McClelland (center)

Shifflett (end)

Smith (and)

Neely(end)

Hanna (lineman)

E. King Gill (halfback)

Neibuhr (quarterback)

 

[BeardedTexan]

(Mind you, there is additional research that I'm not disclosing at this time)

BWAHAHAHAHA

 

[telcoag]

He wasn't hailed as the hero of the game. He himself would tell you that. He became regarded as the embodiment of the 12th Man tradition. Your hyperbole created more claims of heroism than he or McQuillen ever did.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Welcome to a crash course in Aspergers. Let Randy's verbosity be your guide.

Ah, again with the ad hominem. How typically aggy.

It's been fun, kids, but when all you have left is squeezing your testicles and flinging poo as opposed to discussing the facts, aggys become rather tiresome.

The university  is being asked for their on-the-record statement and we will go from there.

The claim the tradition started in 1922 is an outright fraud and not only is your "tradition" going to be exposed as an outright fraud, but so is your Honor Code. The only question I have to ask you guys is what you truly stand for.

Just wait till this all hits the fan. It will be fun watching your powers of denial rise to yet another level. If only your sense of honesty and integrity were half as strong.

 

[BeardedTexan]

Just wait till this all hits the fan

We'll be here when it doesn't happen. Will you be able to poke your head out when you fail miserably?

 

[Randolph Duke]

He wasn't hailed as the hero of the game. He himself would tell you that. He became regarded as the embodiment of the 12th Man tradition. Your hyperbole created more claims of heroism than he or McQuillen ever did.

The official university statement:

"The 12TH MAN Mark was initially adopted in 1922 as a remembrance of a student at Texas A&M, E. King Gill, and his spirit of readiness to serve Texas A&M’s football team in time of need."

Nothing was adopted in 1922 as a remembrance of E. King Gill. Gill's own words explain this. The claim that the 12th man Mark was initially adopted in 1922 as a remembrance of Gill is a fraudulent statement.

At the very least, not including Gill's explanation of the origin of the tradition when the origin of the tradition is mentioned is a lie of omission. But, since the tradition and the trademark is built on lies and fraudulent statements, I understand fully why aggys intentionally hide Gill's explanation.