Johnny Douchebag throws aggy coaches under the bus

[GetHooked]

someone put together a nice video of johnny's passes from the pocket. he shows off a pretty decent arm.
the music, however, is terrible

He's got bust written all over him.

 

[Randolph Duke]

someone put together a nice video of johnny's passes from the pocket. he shows off a pretty decent arm.
the music, however, is terrible

Manziel isn't going to get away with those kind of throws at the next level.

One thing I was wondering watching those highlights. Did Manziel ever taken a snap from under center while at tamu?

 

[Topstarr]

On of the issues with Manziel is that his resume lacks the demonstrated experience that instilled discipline. The NFL is an experience when a private club with a $1 billion asset chooses individuals who can understand "skill player" means one who can deliver a performance on the field and a persona off the field week, after week, after week. It's a grind, both on the field and off. A top pro QB gets paid $15mil+ for a reason - because he delivers more than that in value to the organization.
If I had a $1 billion investment at risk, I don't see anything on Manziel's resume that makes me think he is the one I need to commit to. It would be much safer to get a free agent who has proven they can handle everything and maintain focus through the grind of the season. The average NFL player's career is just under 3.5yrs. Taking a 4 year free agent QB who has proven they can handle the challenge of playing in the league seems much safer than paying some kid who may or may not finally have his $#@! together in life. RGIII grew up in a FAR more disciplined environment as a kid than Manziel. RGIII has proven his talent isn't what is going to keep him in the league, rather it's his discipline. During rehab, during film study and in finding the balance between football and life.

If Manziel couldn't handle the "rigors" of life on campus at TAMU, I just don't see he has the discipline to make it in the NFL.

You hit that nail on the Head square in the middle.

 

[PropositionJoe]

One thing I was wondering watching those highlights. Did Manziel ever taken a snap from under center while at tamu?

not sure.

but i'm pretty sure that bortles operated primarily from the shotgun as well so i'm dont think that would be a huge knock on johnny.

 

[GetHooked]

not sure.
but i'm pretty sure that bortles operated primarily from the shotgun as well so i'm dont think that would be a huge knock on johnny.

Never paid attention but he has a lot of "gunslinger" in him. With the talent in the NFL and the smaller windows to throw into, he might become a turnover machine.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

someone put together a nice video of johnny's passes from the pocket. he shows off a pretty decent arm.
the music, however, is terrible

JFF has decent touch, but I don't see a whole lotta Dan Marino in those highlights. Too many softballs, not many bullets.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

He has the highest completion percentage while in the pocket of any quarterback coming out of college this year.

(74%) , he has to trust his OL and only use his feet when absolutely necessary. Height is not an issue in his case because he has proven he can throw over tall OL and NFL-ready DL (only three tipped passes in 2013 season). Manziel is quick and agile, but he definitely has lost a step, there were plenty of times that a DE outran him to the corner this year, that didn't happen his freshman year. He bulked up and lost some speed and there was a marked improvement in his patience in 2013 because of this. As for the big game record, our defense was atrocious in 2013. We scored 40+ in the first 10 games and still had 2 losses in that stretch. In 2012, the only ranked teams he lost to were LSU and Florida (1st game of career). As for the maturity issues, I think he has a drinking problem (as his father said) and also struggled with all of the pressure and fame directly after the Heisman season, as hinted by him taking a semester off and not saying no to any of the media about appearing at any events (Gruden interview). They could be problems, but they never affected his play on the field and NFL teams like to hold a parade about employing "professionals" but continue to employ convicts and players with repeated drug offenses and mental problems and the list goes on. If they feel you can produce, very few care about what happens off the field as long as the NFL doesn't have to get involved.

 

[JimsTexas]

Who drafted Todd Marinovich? Who drafted Ryan Leaf? Not to say Manzeil will bust like those two, the point is simply that somebody is going to pay him millions to play one of the most important positions on the team, whether they perceive him as nutty or not.

Sangre Naranjada very good point someone looking for a great player will take a chance and in a lot of cases as with this type of loud mouth the team winds up getting burnt. The first time he goes off on a lineman he might be spitting teeth out his ass that looks like shell corn. My friends y'all have a great day.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Manziel is an arrogant you know what, but really have no problem with what he said. Sounds about right. 90 percent of Aggys offense came off Manziel improvising and making plays. Which is why I think there will be a pretty substantial drop off at offense next year.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Manziel is an arrogant you know what, but really have no problem with what he said. Sounds about right. 90 percent of Aggys offense came off Manziel improvising and making plays. Which is why I think there will be a pretty substantial drop off at offense next year.

IDK, everybody is underestimating Kenny Hill. He won't be as dynamic, but could be a more solid passer and game manager. Kid was a beast at Southlake Carroll.

 

[utisdabomb12]

IDK, everybody is underestimating Kenny Hill. He won't be as dynamic, but could be a more solid passer and game manager. Kid was a beast at Southlake Carroll.

Hill is a good QB, but no Manziel. Hill dominated at Southlake Carroll because he had nothing but division one college talent around him (that team was loaded). Until I see their offense not be anything other than improvisations by Manziel, I'm not going to buy into it. From what I saw on the Spring Practice film Hill and Allen had happy feet and didn't understand progressions yet. Their beset QB right now is Joekel, and will not be surprised if he starts......didn't think that was possible but I do now after hearing things about their practices and seeing the Spring Scrimmage film.

 

[PropositionJoe]

Their beset QB right now is Joekel

totally disagree on this. he might have the best grasp of the offense, but talent and potential wise, joeckel is a distant third.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Hill is a good QB, but no Manziel. Hill dominated at Southlake Carroll because he had nothing but division one college talent around him (that team was loaded). Until I see their offense not be anything other than improvisations by Manziel, I'm not going to buy into it. From what I saw on the Spring Practice film Hill and Allen had happy feet and didn't understand progressions yet. Their beset QB right now is Joekel, and will not be surprised if he starts......didn't think that was possible but I do now after hearing things about their practices and seeing the Spring Scrimmage film.

Keenum was no Manziel under Sumlin at UH, either.

 

[coolhorn]

Whether you like Manziel, or can't stand him, he's probably telling the truth about not getting much coaching from Sumlin or his staff. Manziel's skill set is unique. He's not a classic drop-back quarterback, he's not tall, and while he has a good and accurate arm, he doesn't have a cannon for a throwing arm. I'm not sure any coaching staff could turn Manziel into a more traditional quarterback. What Manziel does have is the unique skill of avoiding trouble (sacks) and being able to find the open receiver when he, Manziel, is being pressured. He doesn't lose his head just because his team is behind, and whatever else he might be, Manziel's a gamer and perhaps the most inspirational team leader of the last few years. His teammates believe in Manziel's ability to pull a game out, and they play hard for him. I look for Manziel to be either a superstar in the NFL, or an absolute bust. I do NOT look for him to be something in between...and if he does become a superstar, there are gonna be several teams kicking themselves for taking a pass on him. (I'm looking at you, Texans.)

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I look for Manziel to be either a superstar in the NFL, or an absolute bust.

Agreed.

I expect teams will be prone to give up on him more easily b/c he doesn't have the desired specs...or he could pull a Matt Leinart and party himself out of the league. It'll be interesting.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Keenum was no Manziel under Sumlin at UH, either.

And what did they win in conference USA?

 

[utisdabomb12]

totally disagree on this. he might have the best grasp of the offense, but talent and potential wise, joeckel is a distant third.

Not what I've heard from several Aggies that are pretty close to the program/ coaches. I can agree Hill and Allen are more talented, there's no denying that. Much more to the game though, like grasping the offense. I have a feeling if A&M throws Hill out there it's going to be a total mess. Not only does he not have much experience, he also has to follow Manziel. You need a guy that's experienced and has the maturity to handle the pressure. I think Aggies are going to be shocked when they see a lot of Joeckel next year.

This reminds me a lot of last year on who would start the Rice game. Every Aggie I knew said the super talented Hill was going to get the start, and I just laughed. Talent doesn't mean you are ready to play at the college level.

 

[Juan]

He has the highest completion percentage while in the pocket of any quarterback coming out of college this year.(74%) , .......

You are so full of crap.

If you really care about the accuracy of your claim, you will have a look at this -- this guy charted every throw of the top 18 QBs coming out, paying attention to the throw location. Most of these charts here omit throws behind the line of scrimmage.

I doubt you will even consider any of this since aggies usually create their own special reality, and then live in it with the other believers.

But, maybe you will surprise me. So, just in case .......

Bottom line, in no way does JFF have the "highest percentage complete" of any pocket QB. He may not even be an actual pocket QB. You will also not that the majority of his throws (almost 60%) were either behind the line of scrimmage or under 10 yards.

http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2014/03/2014-quarterback-passing-chart-spectacular/

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15IKcAkid4HkQl2o2qmrf7JK5PMcsunnl9V7B19nXgyU/edit

Between the hashes.

Outside the hashes (" this statistic is especially sensitive to pure accuracy and ball placement in my opinion. Throws outside the hashes spend more time in the air and requires proper trajectory.")

0-9 Yards

10-19 yards

Beyond 20 yards

Composite - Throw Location

Totals

 

[Agmaniacmike]

None of those statistics take into account where the QB is at the time of the throw. Johnny has a 74% completion percentage within the pocket(actually 73% after checking the source): http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/81639/top-stats-to-know-manziels-nfl-profile. Check the source buddy, don't call me a liar, sounds like you are the one full of shit.

 

[Juan]

None of those statistics take into account where the QB is at the time of the throw. Johnny has a 74% completion percentage within the pocket(actually 73% after checking the source): http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/81639/top-stats-to-know-manziels-nfl-profile. Check the source buddy, don't call me a liar, sounds like you are the one full of $#@!.

Continue living in your own private Idaho.

No one cares.