Its time to fire Strong

[MBHORNSFAN]

You don't need to watch.  Go read a book.

How many games have you attended this year? 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Bottom line in either scenario, Strong quits or gets fired, this will make Texas look terrible and not just from a new HC position but also a recruiting standpoint.   We dont even have a new AD yet.  He will be back unless he flat out walks away, which I just cant see that happening.

Just another note, Strong started out 2-4 in Louisville in his 2nd year (2011) but went 11-2 in his 3rd year.  The more I think about it the more I am convinced he needs more time.  He needs to get more of his kids.  Some of these upperclassmen just dont have any pride or talent and in some cases both.  The sooner they graduate the better.  I think it bothers Strong because its so bad that some of these guys lay down in games. 

Give him 1-2 more recruiting cycles and a competent OC with an entire off season and I think Strong will turn it around.

You are convinced he can do that? I have supported Strong but he lost me losing 24-0 to Iowa State. If a head coach needs to be told he needs to hire a better oc well he probably is not the right coach for the job. Also I remember everyone saying Strong was going to coach up all of Mack's players and now that is not happening the narrative he just needs his players. I will gladly eat crow if Strong succeeds here but it is just not likely at this point,

 

[DMAC]

You are convinced he can do that? I have supported Strong but he lost me losing 24-0 to Iowa State. If a head coach needs to be told he needs to hire a better oc well he probably is not the right coach for the job. Also I remember everyone saying Strong was going to coach up all of Mack's players and now that is not happening the narrative he just needs his players. I will gladly eat crow if Strong succeeds here but it is just not likely at this point,

I believe he can.  You make a good point with regarding the OC decision and as I have pointed in an earlier post that was his biggest mistake IMO.  

Look at the talent he has brought in from his first true class.  I do believe he can be successful with a proven OC and a full off season and 1-2 more recruiting classes.  I do not put much faith in Strong ability to dissect the offensive woes of this team but we can hire somebody that can as OC.

Like I said earlier look at the alternative.  If he quits or gets fired what will that do to recruiting?  We are already fighting negative recruiting shits like the ags and Briles.  This team is young and wasted an entire offseason with that asshat Watson as OC.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

You are convinced he can do that? I have supported Strong but he lost me losing 24-0 to Iowa State. If a head coach needs to be told he needs to hire a better oc well he probably is not the right coach for the job. Also I remember everyone saying Strong was going to coach up all of Mack's players and now that is not happening the narrative he just needs his players. I will gladly eat crow if Strong succeeds here but it is just not likely at this point,

You're aware that he demoted Watson and Norvell was given the OC title on an interim basis right? 

As for Strong 'coaching up Mack players' - I don't remember that narrative.  I remember the narrative that he would 'weed them out' and thats exactly what he did.

Texas best players are true freshmen.  Think about that.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

You're aware that he demoted Watson and Norvell was given the OC title on an interim basis right? 

As for Strong 'coaching up Mack players' - I don't remember that narrative.  I remember the narrative that he would 'weed them out' and thats exactly what he did.

Texas best players are true freshmen.  Think about that.

So do you really think this team is coached well?  24-0 to Iowa State... 

 

[DMAC]

So do you really think this team is coached well?  24-0 to Iowa State... 

touche

but also note Iowa State took #8 OSU down to the wire last week, basically held the lead until the 4th quarter. 

But yea I know loss margins are horrific and painful.  

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

So do you really think this team is coached well?  24-0 to Iowa State... 

I think thats exactly the type of game you can expect when your best players at your most siginifcant positions are freshmen.  Especially on the road. 

Bedford wasn't trying to be cute when he said at the beginning of the year that if he's playing freshman its not going to be good.

 

[TexExSpur]

Feldman is throwing shit at the wall in hopes that it sticks...

“I keep hearing that too,†Feldman said of Strong having interest in Miami. “I’ve heard that from multiple sources now, one of them who is pretty close to Charlie Strong, saying he would have interest and that came a day before Charlie Strong got asked about it at Texas and he said “I have the best job in college football right now.†That may be true, he may have, as the Texas head coach — paid a lot of money, big resources… That doesn’t mean it’s the best job or the best situation for Charlie Strong and his family. Could UM pay as much as he’s making now? I think that’s a real stretch to think that… Can they pay him as much as he’s making or in the ballpark of it?

“The other question now I think that comes up is Charlie Strong may be 4-8 this year after a pretty bad season last year. Is Miami convinced he’s gonna be the guy?â€

There is nothing new to what Feldman is saying or has said previously.  

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Anwar Richardson reporting that Strong hasn't spoken with anyone associated with the Miami program.

I'd guess theres about a 5% chance Strong doesn't return next season. He's not quitting - and UT isn't going to pay him 15 million to push him out the door.

I don't doubt for a minute that Charlie has not spoken to anyone associated with the program. 

But that doesn't mean that someone else hasn't spoken to "Miami" on Charlie's behalf. Or even that Charlie hasn't spoken with someone who knows someone associated with the Miami program. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Feldman is throwing shit at the wall in hopes that it sticks...

“I keep hearing that too,†Feldman said of Strong having interest in Miami. “I’ve heard that from multiple sources now, one of them who is pretty close to Charlie Strong, saying he would have interest and that came a day before Charlie Strong got asked about it at Texas and he said “I have the best job in college football right now.†That may be true, he may have, as the Texas head coach — paid a lot of money, big resources… That doesn’t mean it’s the best job or the best situation for Charlie Strong and his family. Could UM pay as much as he’s making now? I think that’s a real stretch to think that… Can they pay him as much as he’s making or in the ballpark of it?

“The other question now I think that comes up is Charlie Strong may be 4-8 this year after a pretty bad season last year. Is Miami convinced he’s gonna be the guy?â€

There is nothing new to what Feldman is saying or has said previously.  

Kind of goes along with what I said in post #205 on page 11 of this thread. 

 

[TexExSpur]

Kind of goes along with what I said in post #205 on page 11 of this thread. 

INDEED.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

@BDavisAAS: Source tells @AnwarRichardson that Texas coach Charlie Strong "has become irritated" with reports linking him to Miami. He doesn't want it.

 

[utparothed]

How many games have you attended this year? 

Just out of curiosity, does the number of games you've attended vs the number that you've watched really matter? 

 

[TeamMayhall]

From Chip Brown

 

[utparothed]

If we fire Coach Strong after only 2 seasons and 1 full recruiting class when we knew, going in, that the program was a long way from being competitive, how long do we give the next guy or, if he can't get it done in 2 seasons with 1 full recruiting class, the guy after that? 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Just out of curiosity, does the number of games you've attended vs the number that you've watched really matter? 

No but every time someone speaks out about their displeasure about the program or Strong they seem to be questioned or it is implied that they are not a real fan. My point is simple I will continue to attend every home game and many road games. I will support the team and university but I do not have to be happy about the direction of the program. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Look I want Strong to succeed but I just do not see any improvement. We actually seem to be getting worst. I really cannot believe that people believe the talent is so bad that this team cannot win 6-7 games. To believe that you have to believe that almost every D1 team has more talent then Texas.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I am just curious.  People are saying Strong is unhappy.  I am trying to understand what he is unhappy about?  

1.  The losing record?

2.  Homesick, missing Florida?

3.  The school's administration?

4.  The demanding fanbase?

5.  Time consumption - media obligations such as LHN etc?

Is there a link to this interview with Nahlin?

I haven't seen it. I believe it was Nahlin posting. The website is Spurstalk.com or something like that. I clicked a link to it the other day and was able to view everything just fine.

If Nahlin is speculating, then I feel better. But again, he is connected so his speculation includes some behind the scenes info as its list of considerations.

I have long thought Year 3 would be the turning point for Charlie and this team. I still feel that way. I'd hate to see Charlie leave or be chased away before the good stuff starts happening.  If it doesn't happen in Year 3, then let him go and find another coach, IMO.

 

[mctmatt]

I say Charlie should be given a third year and the more I think about it . He should have the decision himself as to whether he fires or hires any of assistant coaches.  If Charlie wants to keep his OC , his DC  heck who ever  then so be it.  That way if things change next year be it to better or worse it will have been his decision.  If Charlie makes a change to a new OC I want that to be his decision based upon what he feels is needed as the Head Coach.  

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Look I want Strong to succeed but I just do not see any improvement. We actually seem to be getting worst. I really cannot believe that people believe the talent is so bad that this team cannot win 6-7 games. To believe that you have to believe that almost every D1 team has more talent then Texas.

Of course we're getting worse - we lost the only upperclassmen worth a damn and our best players are freshmen. I don't know too many people who realistically thought this was going to be a successful year - Strong and Bedford certainly weren't optimistic. Go back and read about what Bedford was saying when asked about playing multiple freshmen.

That's not to say this season hasn't been worse than expected - it has - but I don't think any should be calling for Charlie's head after two years of work at what many expected was a complete rebuild of an atrophied program.

The kids Strong has brought in have exceeded expectations - why wouldn't we give him an opportunity to bring in his own players?

He clearly needs to fix the offensive coaching staff. He won't win in 2016 without getting that right - so he knows his work this off-season will determine his future at Texas. If he makes the right hire I think this can be turned around in 2016.