*****GAME THREAD - TCU @ #9 Texas*****

[83Dee]

Not sure what happened there^^^€

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I’m going to throw something out for discussion… For discussion, please don’t kill the messenger.

if we are willing to consider Urban Meyer, we are compromising in certain areas… Right?  How about Bob Stoops? He lives in Dallas, obviously still wants to coach. Not Urban Meyer, but a better coach than Mack Brown. 
 

I think the hate probably runs too deep, both ways. But would any of you who would consider Urban Meyer also consider Bob Stoops?

I sure as hell would.

 

[TexCoyote]

Have y’all ever noticed since Herman has been at Texas the amount of penalties we get each game? It seems like alot and usually we have more than the opponent we’re playing. I know officiating crews don’t seem to be great nowadays, but unfortunately that’s what we have to play with. I think Charlie Strong’s teams were the same way. It’s highly concerning. 

Why is it so hard to turn Texas around? We’ve been in a DECADE of mediocre football. I don’t get why it is so hard at Texas. Great recruiting area, great facilities, lots of money for whatever is needed. If anyone has any ideas why, please enlighten me. 

 

[primal defense]

TEXAS COMES A YARD SHORT, BUT IT FELT LIKE A MILE

One yard. That’s all Texas needed to escape with a second straight come-from-behind win in three games this season. Luck tends to even out over time, however, and the Longhorns used a season’s worth a week ago. Junior running back Keaontay Ingram stretched his right arm out a little too far near the goal line, and TCU knocked the ball out for a fumble with 2:32 left to play. The Horned Frogs, in appropriately weird fashion, would close things out by taking a game-winning safety. TCU 33, No. 9 Texas 31. 

There’s no easy way to summarize this loss for Texas. Perhaps a comedy of errors is the only  colloquial summation. The Longhorns didn’t lose because of their 12 penalties. They didn’t lose because of a pair of ill-timed turnovers. They didn’t lose because of ill-timed drops. They didn’t lose because of special teams miscues. They didn’t lose because of weird situational defensive calls, like Texas’ defensive front lining up preposterously wide on Max Duggan’s fourth-quarter touchdown run. They lost because of all of those things. 



Great teams don’t suffer such a litany of self-imposed mistakes. It’s as simple as that.  

Oklahoma is on deck next weekend. The Red River Showdown, pitting teams with a combined 3-3, has never felt so strange. But should Texas lose, a very normal thing will happen: Longhorns fans will flood to the message board, calling for Tom Herman’s job, $20 million-plus buyout be damned, and wondering whether Urban Meyer wants to give it one more go.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-scores-yesterday-upsets-Big-12-playoff-Trey-Lance-showcase-152415595/#152415595_3

 

[longhorn_mig]

I think the difference between Shaka and Tom is the access to buyout money. BMDs don’t care enough to buyout a basketball contract. They won’t take the same BS in football. The only obstacle would likely be the economic impact of COVID-19. The oil and gas industry is hurting, so those pockets aren’t as deep.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Look guys and girls. I’m starting to get some years on me now SO MY PRIORITY IS TO WIN BIG. 

Amen.

Urban Meyer is not coming! There is a cancer in Austin, doesn't seem to matter who is coaching there. its going to take a special coach, needs to be someone tough on the kids and very demanding. I don't see that in Herman. Saban is demanding of his kids, thats a known fact, who else? Patterson is pretty demanding, i see him get in some ass on the sidelines. I swear, all we hire are coaches that look like they just walked off the golf course. Meyer is demanding too, ive seen it, my gut tells me hes not interested in rebuilding another program he has not connection too. Hes already coached at his dream school ...... and left it, hes won several national championships, why come here? he doesn't need the money.

Brown did not need money either. Ego?

 

[Eastexhorn]

The best line I saw on several boards was IT. Texas played Iowa St. , the Refs. and them selves and lost to all three.

 

[dillohorn]

Team needs to buy a rule book.

 

[texbound]

So, after letting this marinate for 24 hours and looking at it logically....i'm not shocked this happened.  Herman has had 5 full years as a HC and is 3 games into his 6th.  Every year his teams have notoriously fallen flat to lesser teams.  I know this is something that has been said repeatedly over and over, but did we really expect a different result this year?  Sure we did, because we are hopeful Longhorn fans.  Herman says it all the time, the definition of insanity is doing things the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.  I'm not one to jump quick on the "fire the coach" bandwagon, but if things don't change this season then it's probably time to change.  The coaches circled 2020 as their year and anything short of a conference championship will be a disappointment.  

 

[83Dee]

Not saying this will happen at all, but what if UT runs the table and goes 9-1?  Does Herman stay if Urban wants to come in?  Or even if he goes 8-2?  Is that enough to give him a pass for this year?

I can tell you one thing, unless he picks it up I would bet Joseph Ossai is coming back for his Sr. year.  Shit, this entire roster might be back, even the Sr. group (including Ehlinger and Kerstetter. I'm kidding, but I kind of dont want Sam to come back.  I love Sam, but I actually feel Casey is a different dynamic and I want to see what he can do.  Can run a lot more zone read with him.

Definitely stays. 

The truth of the matter IMHO is that he stays at 6-4, 7-3, and maybe even 5-5.   Herman was just extended through 2022.  What had he done to deserve this??? Your guess is as good as mine.  We were playing a bidding war against no one. 

Unfortunately, he’s our coach for 1.5 to 2.5 more seasons.  Which is unfortunate because by now we know what we are going to get.  Hookem. 

 

[83Dee]

Nm

 

[texbound]

Definitely stays. 

the truth of the matter IMHO is that he stays at 6-4, 7-3, and maybe even 5-5.   Herman was just extended through 2022.  What had he done to deserve this??? Your guess is as good as mine.  We were playing a bidding war against no one. 

Truth is, he’s our coach for 1.5 to 2.5 more seasons.  Which is unfortunate because by now we know what we are going to get.  

I wanted to just hit the "like" button, but I think just saying TRUE is more appropriate.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I sure as hell would.

That would be a hard pill to swallow for me. What if Bob is a secret OU plant, designed to totally take down our football program? I mean, he is still Satan as far as I'm concerned. lol

 

[Sirhornsalot]

So, after letting this marinate for 24 hours and looking at it logically....i'm not shocked this happened.  Herman has had 5 full years as a HC and is 3 games into his 6th.  Every year his teams have notoriously fallen flat to lesser teams.  I know this is something that has been said repeatedly over and over, but did we really expect a different result this year?  Sure we did, because we are hopeful Longhorn fans.  Herman says it all the time, the definition of insanity is doing things the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.  I'm not one to jump quick on the "fire the coach" bandwagon, but if things don't change this season then it's probably time to change.  The coaches circled 2020 as their year and anything short of a conference championship will be a disappointment.  

Agree, and that's why every time CTH's teams beat a high profile team, its always called an upset.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Have y’all ever noticed since Herman has been at Texas the amount of penalties we get each game? It seems like alot and usually we have more than the opponent we’re playing. I know officiating crews don’t seem to be great nowadays, but unfortunately that’s what we have to play with. I think Charlie Strong’s teams were the same way. It’s highly concerning. 

Why is it so hard to turn Texas around? We’ve been in a DECADE of mediocre football. I don’t get why it is so hard at Texas. Great recruiting area, great facilities, lots of money for whatever is needed. If anyone has any ideas why, please enlighten me. 

Yes, but this game was different. Texas was on the receiving end of some of the most ridiculous calls I've seen made. From my living room, I'm surprised they didn't flag me. 

As for your second paragraph, I suppose we just keep picking the wrong guy. The up and comers are hard to figure out I guess. Urban Meyer isn't.

 

[TexCoyote]

Yes, but this game was different. Texas was on the receiving end of some of the most ridiculous calls I've seen made. From my living room, I'm surprised they didn't flag me. 

As for your second paragraph, I suppose we just keep picking the wrong guy. The up and comers are hard to figure out I guess. Urban Meyer isn't.

Yes there was definitely some bad calls. Officiating nowadays just seems to not be close to good. I think TCU ended up with more penalties than we did yesterday but a high percentage of the time we are going to have the most penalties. We used to have a bunch of false starts......had at least one yesterday. 

There are very few for sure things out there in coaches and usually if they are a sure thing they aren’t leaving where they are. So it puts you looking at the guys that aren’t a sure thing and you end up taking a young coach that has a small sample size of success......i.e, Tom Herman. SHA you’re correct Urban is a sure thing and we could probably get him but I just don’t see CDC being able to pay the amount of money it would take to hire another coach. Herman’s buyout, Yurcich’s buyout, Ash’s buyout, maybe some of the other assistants I don’t know...........and then Urban about 8-9M for 5 years. Adding all that up and the department losing alot of money this and maybe next year too if COVID doesn’t settle down. I may be wrong but I just don’t see them doing it. I’ve said it before.......I’d like to see them not extend contracts with more years when there are still several years left on the current contract. Texas did Mackovic like that and the next year he was like 4-7, Herman got extended, Shaka got extended. Unless someone was wanting to hire them away there isn’t a need to add 2 years when there is still 2 years left. We’all see what the rest of the season brings. 

 

[RDHookEm]

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Article/Kenyatta-Watson-Texas-Longhorns-football-cornerback-expected-to-enter-NCAA-transfer-portal-152456838/
 

Don’t blame him. I’d leave too after seeing that crap. Also he prolly knows his head coach is getting fired

 

[83Dee]

Yes, but this game was different. Texas was on the receiving end of some of the most ridiculous calls I've seen made. From my living room, I'm surprised they didn't flag me. 

As for your second paragraph, I suppose we just keep picking the wrong guy. The up and comers are hard to figure out I guess. Urban Meyer isn't.

The difference between coaching at Cougar High or even Louisville and UT is like managing a magazine stand and then being thrown into a Walmart. So I agree.... it’s really difficult to predict success based on a really well run magazine stand. 

 

[83Dee]

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Article/Kenyatta-Watson-Texas-Longhorns-football-cornerback-expected-to-enter-NCAA-transfer-portal-152456838/
 

Don’t blame him. I’d leave too after seeing that crap. Also he prolly knows his head coach is getting fired

Tell him to walk out in the middle of a game.  I hear that gets you more playing time.  

 

[83Dee]

Yes there was definitely some bad calls. Officiating nowadays just seems to not be close to good. I think TCU ended up with more penalties than we did yesterday but a high percentage of the time we are going to have the most penalties. We used to have a bunch of false starts......had at least one yesterday. 

There are very few for sure things out there in coaches and usually if they are a sure thing they aren’t leaving where they are. So it puts you looking at the guys that aren’t a sure thing and you end up taking a young coach that has a small sample size of success......i.e, Tom Herman. SHA you’re correct Urban is a sure thing and we could probably get him but I just don’t see CDC being able to pay the amount of money it would take to hire another coach. Herman’s buyout, Yurcich’s buyout, Ash’s buyout, maybe some of the other assistants I don’t know...........and then Urban about 8-9M for 5 years. Adding all that up and the department losing alot of money this and maybe next year too if COVID doesn’t settle down. I may be wrong but I just don’t see them doing it. I’ve said it before.......I’d like to see them not extend contracts with more years when there are still several years left on the current contract. Texas did Mackovic like that and the next year he was like 4-7, Herman got extended, Shaka got extended. Unless someone was wanting to hire them away there isn’t a need to add 2 years when there is still 2 years left. We’all see what the rest of the season brings. 

That entire presentation from the quality of play to the officiating should have embarrassed the Big 12.  
 

Joel Klatt and Gus Johnson were good as usual though....