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Ferguson, MO questions

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From your link: (yes, I do read links. . . .)

You seem to be claiming a white person would not have been arrested?   nonsense. . . .

I noticed your article claimed driving without insurance is a "poverty crime". . . .so it's OK if you are poor to drive uninsured so when you hit another vehicle. . . you screw someone else out of restitution?

Why do you oppose people being responsible for their own actions, which seems to be the crux of your argument?   Why do you make excuses. . .do you blame the fans if the football team screws up or is it on the players and coaches?    Oh, I hear you. . ."that's different'. . . .actually. . .no it's not. . . .
You're not getting the point. I did not say they didn't commit a crime, but in who they decided to target when conducting sting operations was the issue. 

And here is the link to the 4 times statement. 

Again, I don't see the necessity for hostility. I don't know where you think I said she didn't break the law, what we are talking about is the treatment of poor people in our justice system and how if you have the money, you won't be staying in jail for over 2 weeks for an arraignment for failing to appear. And if people don't have transportation, how can they get to a job? The bus system especially in St. Louis doesn't run all night and if you can't get to work, you can't keep your job. How are they suppose to take responsible for their own actions when they don't have the resources to do so? If she gets a job, you'll complain that she shouldn't be driving or using public money for a bus system. Then when she doesn't get a job, she is lazy and no good for society. The poor just can't win. 

Again this is a bigger problem than race. It's the socioeconomic status of people and the issue that arises just based solely on survival and trying to make a better life which that lady was trying to do. We should make the system a little more lenient on the people who are most vulnerable to systematic abuses which tend to be poorer people. 

 
How are they suppose to take responsible for their own actions when they don't have the resources to do so? 

Good point,

People who don't have resources should not be responsible. . .

And those damn ATF guys. . .. remind me again who runs that agency, you know, the one you claim only targets minorities. . .

Oh yeah, Eric Holder. . .what a racist sumbitch .. . . 

And his boss, the one who under his watch has seen racist MJ arrest grow by 5% over W's?    Oh yeah, that's Obama. . . . 

Here's a newsflash, not sure I'd rely too heavily upon the ACLU for 'facts'. . .they tend to play pretty fast and loose. . . .

When you are ready to have a substantive talk about the REAL issues, the cause of the problems not the symptoms, I'm all ears. . . .but like an alcoholic, until you are ready to move forward and stop blaming whitey for all the ills of the world (or in the alcoholic's case, to at least admit they are the source of the problem. . . not their mom/dad. . .not their ex-wife. . .not their mean teachers. . .insert name of anyone but themselves) .. . .you are not going to find a cure. . .. . 

 
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Please take this thread Down-  It is going to lead to hurt feelings and anger-  It is not going to change anyone's mind or beliefs.  What Joeywa was wanting to do was discuss the Mo. situation but that is not what this is going to lead to.  Also when I tried to email you at Hornsports, your site requires me to select a dept. (or something like that) and the only option it gives is "sales".

 
Good point,

People who don't have resources should not be responsible. . .

And those damn ATF guys. . .. remind me again who runs that agency, you know, the one you claim only targets minorities. . .

Oh yeah, Eric Holder. . .what a racist sumbitch .. . . 

And his boss, the one who under his watch has seen racist MJ arrest grow by 5% over W's?    Oh yeah, that's Obama. . . . 

Here's a newsflash, not sure I'd rely too heavily upon the ACLU for 'facts'. . .they tend to play pretty fast and loose. . . .

When you are ready to have a substantive talk about the REAL issues, the cause of the problems not the symptoms, I'm all ears. . . .but like an alcoholic, until you are ready to move forward and stop blaming whitey for all the ills of the world (or in the alcoholic's case, to at least admit they are the source of the problem. . . not their mom/dad. . .not their ex-wife. . .not their mean teachers. . .insert name of anyone but themselves) .. . .you are not going to find a cure. . .. . 
The data was also looked at and confirmed by Stanford researchers. 

All people are asking for is a fair shake in a justice system they feel doesn't give them one. We shouldn't have a whole group of people afraid of the police, it's not conducive for a society. We should listen to people, understand where they are coming from and try to find solution to the situation so we limit the loss of life and have a fair justice system.  

And don't get me started on the MJ arrests. Obama is no friend of Marijuana legalization, don't know why he just isn't. He has been closing many medical marijuana facilities more than Bush did.  

 
1. Just because someone commits a crime doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth. Just because someone may have acted in self-defense doesn't mean they aren't lying either. 

2. You cared about the OJ verdict and so did a lot of people. And people did complain about the justice system at that time and protested the OJ verdict. And I don't think I once stated that I condone rioting but people should be allowed to protest. NO ONE is condoning the riots. Not Michael Brown's father or most people looking for positive change. What I don't like is the media saying the rioters are protestors when they clearly are not. 

And since I know how the response will go.

1. Michael Brown's stepfather did say "Burn it down" but he apologized for that statement. But hey, he is human and can make mistakes, Right? 

2. White people didn't loot and rob because for the most part, the system works in their favor. Again, many in the black community do not believe the system works for them so they say "F**k the system" and loot and riot because they feel it's the only way to express their anger. Understanding why people do something is not the same as condoning the actions they do. Now the bigger question is, how do you get the minorities to believe that the system truly works for them? 

1. No, but it makes it less likely that he will be believed. It also doesn't mean they have to change their story once the FBI steps in.

2. People are protesting right now DESPITE having no real reason to protest. The same people who never protested the deaths of two whites in the OJ trial.

Peoples lives were ruined FOR NO REASON. A town was destroyed for no reason. No, it's not ok to just tear the place apart because you can't handle your emotions, which are not justified in the first place.

3. Should all those business owners have to suffer because Brown's stepfather allowed his inner thug self to call on their destruction?

What worth is his apology in the face of ruined lives and livelihoods?

4. I don't think you really know why white people don't act this way. There was a tea party once. That much we know. It looked nothing like Ferguson, we're taught.

I think you're wasting your time with the concept of convincing anyone about a system working for them. They'll either come to that belief or they won't. You telling them something, even factually based, will do nothing. Take one look at Ferguson right now - destroyed in the face of finally learning what happened - which left no reason to protest at all.

What we saw was the result of race baiters and professional inciters (paid to be there) and opportunistic criminals.

If we're to be upset about anything here - it's watching while these people are so taken advantage of by the outside.

80 percent of black deaths are caused by other blacks. Everyone seems to be all hunky dorie with that. But we can't blame a system for that and we can't point a finger at whitey, so that's not real sexy to talk about.

 
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Please take this thread Down-  It is going to lead to hurt feelings and anger-  It is not going to change anyone's mind or beliefs.  What Joeywa was wanting to do was discuss the Mo. situation but that is not what this is going to lead to.  Also when I tried to email you at Hornsports, your site requires me to select a dept. (or something like that) and the only option it gives is "sales".
Pretty sure you just need to go on and buy something in order to get noticed.  We don't need any lookie-loos in here "browsing."  ;)

 
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