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Dale Hansen

You're absolutely right that we don't all have to approve of one another to function as a successful society. Having said that, there is a huge difference between disapproving and legislating/descriminating/restricting freedoms based on your personal moral beliefs. After all, as you said you're not the moral authority on anything. Neither am I, which is why I live and let live unless the actions of another restrict my own freedom or cause harm to others.
I'm not sure why this concept seems so hard to grasp. There is a big difference between demanding acceptance and identifying social rights.

 
True, but there are animals that have chosen same sex partners, animals that certainly do not adhere to the same "moral battles" as humans, they act on instinct..if there is an instinct to be drawn to a partner that is the same sex, and it happens naturally, could that not be a form of population control?
That's interesting and honestly, I don't know. It would make sense I suppose.

However, there is also built-in survival instincts. If you look through history, when numbers became a problem, humans moved around. Higher intelligence allows that, unlike for example, deer (ha!) which can accumulate in numbers and endanger the whole herd as a result. That's why deer need me. :)

 
You're absolutely right that we don't all have to approve of one another to function as a successful society. Having said that, there is a huge difference between disapproving and legislating/descriminating/restricting freedoms based on your personal moral beliefs. After all, as you said you're not the moral authority on anything. Neither am I, which is why I live and let live unless the actions of another restrict my own freedom or cause harm to others.

Hook'em!14, you might cut him some slack. If he's guilty of anything, so is society throughout history. These rights are new and created - and the idea that people are denied freedoms based on personal sexual preference is a stretch. Most people don't know what others do behind closed doors romantically/sexually. The only time we really know is whenever one feels the need to tell the world.

What have you done or how have you determined that none of this can cause harm to you or others? That would require some very seriously deep thinking with a whole heckuva lot to be considered to be able to accurately answer that question.

 
You're absolutely right that we don't all have to approve of one another to function as a successful society. Having said that, there is a huge difference between disapproving and legislating/descriminating/restricting freedoms based on your personal moral beliefs. After all, as you said you're not the moral authority on anything. Neither am I, which is why I live and let live unless the actions of another restrict my own freedom or cause harm to others.

Where have I endorsed legislating discrimination? I don't believe I have. If you are talking about gay marriage then I would only say marriage is not a right it is a religious ritual. Should gays be allowed to have civil unions. Sure I can't deny that they should have the same opportunities as all of us under the eyes of the government. My contention is marriage wasn't invented by the government so I don't believe the government really has the right at all to manage marriage. Separation of church and state right? IMO we should remove the word marriage from a legal documents and just have filing single or filing jointly. Or better yet just make everyone file single. Then if you can find a church that wants to marry you have at it.

 
i'll be glad when sexual orientation is not an issue in any workplace.

 
Where have I endorsed legislating discrimination? I don't believe I have. If you are talking about gay marriage then I would only say marriage is not a right it is a religious ritual. Should gays be allowed to have civil unions. Sure I can't deny that they should have the same opportunities as all of us under the eyes of the government. My contention is marriage wasn't invented by the government so I don't believe the government really has the right at all to manage marriage. Separation of church and state right? IMO we should remove the word marriage from a legal documents and just have filing single or filing jointly. Or better yet just make everyone file single. Then if you can find a church that wants to marry you have at it.
My sincere apologies if anything I've said came off as a personal attack on you, that was not my intention. Also I completely agree with you that Marriage is the authority of the church, and that government benefits should be separated from the debate. We both definitely disagree on a few things regarding this issue, as do a lot of other people, but it's been cool getting your views and reasoning on the subject.

 
I didn't realize how many knuckle-draggers were on this site.

I suppose, if you asked everyone to put down their civil behavior as you have decided to do, we'd all be calling each other something every time one of us expressed a different point of view.

I would suggest you rethink the strategy of getting a point across via name calling. If you think it worked, consider what I'm talking to you about instead of what the subject was.

 
That's what gets me, if you don't agree than you are labeled a knuckle dragger I heard on radio a guy with the attitude that he is more enlightened and advanced in his thinking because he has no issue on any level of this discussion. We are entitled to our belief and moral values and that doesn't make us less in thought.

 
Is a homosexual who is in a monogamous relationship more or less "moral" than a heterosexual who is married and degrades that relationship by cheating?

 
Is a homosexual who is in a monogamous relationship more or less "moral" than a heterosexual who is married and degrades that relationship by cheating?
I look at it from a Christian perspective. The Bible says God does not distinguish sin. My sin on the way home in rush hour today was as bad as any other people's sin, whatever that may be. Sin is considered a failure to be moral.

Homosexuality will not keep anyone from going to heaven, as I see it through a Christian perspective. No more so than my sin keeping me from heaven. God calls on us to reject sin in our own decision making. If you're truly a practicing Christian, then you don't take on sin by yourself, you have a way to overcome through Christ.

I cannot look at a gay man or woman and judge them. I cannot see where they've been or where God will take them. I'm not qualified to be their judge. My task is to discern in my own life good and evil and hopefully choose good as much as I can.

 
My sincere apologies if anything I've said came off as a personal attack on you, that was not my intention. Also I completely agree with you that Marriage is the authority of the church, and that government benefits should be separated from the debate. We both definitely disagree on a few things regarding this issue, as do a lot of other people, but it's been cool getting your views and reasoning on the subject.
Not offended in the least. I recognize my beliefs are difficult for some to wrap their heads around. I feel like this has been a very civil debate on a very touchy subject. Kudos to all involved for not letting it get out of hand.

 
Not offended in the least. I recognize my beliefs are difficult for some to wrap their heads around. I feel like this has been a very civil debate on a very touchy subject. Kudos to all involved for not letting it get out of hand.
actually, it has gotten out of hand. for homosexuality vs heterosexuality (beliefs vs opinions) has to be of the most provocative subjects to date. we all know that the only reason that this particular aforementioned subject has been so very civil upon this site.... is due to the parameters that aaron "bbdude" has set forth upon this most enlightening of longhorn members boards.

"we are like family here" for this is the primary reason that we tend to know when to STOP before someone get's the ax. therefore, we either agree to disagree, or we just look towards the "high road" for which shall surely involve a subtle compromise.

come now members.... for the love of GOD, please allow for us to finally rise above this pillar of ignorance. Yes, I said it IGNORANCE! i for one, harbor the utmost privilege of working upon one of the dangerous places in the world. i perform this privilege with some of the most brilliant homosexual vs heterosexual men and women that there is. Yes! the military was indeed smart enough to end it's highly controversial "don't ask don't tell" initiative. and i for one, can tell each and every one of you that it works.... BIG TIME. i'm here... i see it everyday. for anyone that thinks that being a true "homosexual" is a choice... either has to be truly ignorant... or has to be the biggest "bigot" none to mankind.

so there, i've said what so many of you were a bit hesitant to say. now, surely there will no doubt be many of you that shall openly disagree with my statement. but isn't this the overall beauty of this board.... we may very well agree to disagree... just like family!

 
Monarch, I'll need to re-read that but is sure sounded good first time around. Bravo!

 
All I know is I long for the day when a gay person doesn't feel the need to "come out" and other people don't feel the need to use the occasion to take to the airwaves and internet and use it as an opportunity to assuage their own guilt issues and convince us how evolved they are intellectually.

 
All I know is I long for the day when a gay person doesn't feel the need to "come out" and other people don't feel the need to use the occasion to take to the airwaves and internet and use it as an opportunity to assuage their own guilt issues and convince us how evolved they are intellectually.
Don't know if you are accusing Dale of that, but he does commentary like this on everything that happens in sports. Including slamming his former employer(Jerry Jones) during and after his time with them. Sometimes people like it, sometimes they don't, but he always seems very sincere and even self-depricating when it applies.

 
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