Dale Hansen

[Brasky]

Looks like obvious grandstanding to me. There is no courage in taking this position the way there was in the civil rights movement for African Americans. Everyone knows that the right side of history is to favor gay rights. I favor gay rights (and I'm a Christian, by the way. It's a different debate as to whether the Bible is actually condemning a consensual same sex relationship).

Like gecko said, the "intellectually evolved" are totally annoying, just as they've always been. I couldn't care less if the guy is gay and I hate that we celebrate/chastise who people want to bang. It should have nothing to do with anything and certainly no reason for a fake civil rights opportunist to toot his own horn.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

It's a different debate as to whether the Bible is actually condemning a consensual same sex relationship).

There really isn't a debate at all. While you and I are ok with whatever other people want to do behind closed doors, the Bible is not.

Romans 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

 

[Brasky]

There really isn't a debate at all. While you and I are ok with whatever other people want to do behind closed doors, the Bible is not.
Romans 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

If it's so important how come Jesus himself never mentioned it once? Not a single time? Homoesexuality (a word not in existence until the 20th century but printed in many Bibles) was just as prevalent in the old world as it is today. Yet Jesus repeatedly reminds us that we should all love one another and not once does he say "except for...".

Then there is the whole issue of people being born gay, which if it isn't already will be proven to be a scientific fact. So God created people who are condemned from the beginning? And don't tell me it's the same as your sin of greed or lust or whatever because it isn't. You denying yourself being greedy isn't much of a sacrifice at all compared to had God made someone who has to go their entire life denying who they naturally love.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

If it's so important how come Jesus himself never mentioned it once? Not a single time? Homoesexuality (a word not in existence until the 20th century but printed in many Bibles) was just as prevalent in the old world as it is today. Yet Jesus repeatedly reminds us that we should all love one another and not once does he say "except for...". Then there is the whole issue of people being born gay, which if it isn't already will be proven to be a scientific fact. So God created people who are condemned from the beginning? And don't tell me it's the same as your sin of greed or lust or whatever because it isn't. You denying yourself being greedy isn't much of a sacrifice at all compared to had God made someone who has to go their entire life denying who they naturally love.

The scripture I gave you came directly from the Gospel of Christ. How can you then ask me why Christ didn't mention it?

I Corinthians 14:37: "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

Your mentioning about the invention of the word homosexuality is pointless. The act is the sin, not the word. You will also fail to find the word "RAPTURE" in the Bible, but regardless, the event is spoken of many times.

Jesus loved the moneychangers that he chased out of the temple, but he nevertheless did chase them from the temple. Their sin caused Christ to a rare show of public anger, as well.

Being born gay is not a proven scientific fact. So let's not assume it is. I cannot answer your question, based on non-fact, and provide a factual answer.

Yes, I told you that all sin is the same. And I just told you that again. I said that because my Bible says that. It's not for me to conform this Bible to my liking. It's for me to conform myself to God's liking.

 

[JimR]

The scripture I gave you came directly from the Gospel of Christ. How can you then ask me why Christ didn't mention it?
I Corinthians 14:37: "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

Your mentioning about the invention of the word homosexuality is pointless. The act is the sin, not the word. You will also fail to find the word "RAPTURE" in the Bible, but regardless, the event is spoken of many times.

Jesus loved the moneychangers that he chased out of the temple, but he nevertheless did chase them from the temple. Their sin caused Christ to a rare show of public anger, as well.

Being born gay is not a proven scientific fact. So let's not assume it is. I cannot answer your question, based on non-fact, and provide a factual answer.

Yes, I told you that all sin is the same. And I just told you that again. I said that because my Bible says that. It's not for me to conform this Bible to my liking. It's for me to conform myself to God's liking.

Jesus Christ wrote the Bible?

my rule of thumb is never to discuss religion or politics with friends. I think this thread is close to demonstrating why that is a good idea.

PS. I am not a member of any organized religion. I am a Methodist.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Jesus Christ wrote the Bible?
my rule of thumb is never to discuss religion or politics with friends. I think this thread is close to demonstrating why that is a good idea.

PS. I am not a member of any organized religion. I am a Methodist.

1. No, he did not. But I never said he did.

1A. There are 13 epistles in the New Testament that is called the "Gospel of Christ" because a change had been made (a new gospel indicates a change, hence "good news"). Christ was put to death on a cross and once that happened, salvation was made available to all mankind and with the sacrifice already made by Christ on all our behalf's. Paul is the author of those 13 epistles. Paul was an apostle of Christ, knocked from his donkey and blinded by Christ prior to being given the new Gospel. To that point, Paul had been persecuting every Christian he could find. He was the only apostle this Gospel was given to.

2. You'll never grow in knowledge if you live in fear of disagreement. Most disagreements with regard to scripture are caused by misunderstandings of scripture and stereotypical knowledge that was picked up here and there through a lifetime. I came to know scripture due to a conversation with a friend. Without that conversation, my thirst for knowledge may not have met the same success it has.

3. The Methodist denomination is indeed an organized sub-group of the Christian faith. My son is about to accept a scholarship from McMurry University, a Methodist university. I could not be happier for him.

 

[JimR]

1. No, he did not. But I never said he did.
1A. There are 13 epistles in the New Testament that is called the "Gospel of Christ" because a change had been made (a new gospel indicates a change, hence "good news"). Christ was put to death on a cross and once that happened, salvation was made available to all mankind and with the sacrifice already made by Christ on all our behalf's. Paul is the author of those 13 epistles. Paul was an apostle of Christ, knocked from his donkey and blinded by Christ prior to being given the new Gospel. To that point, Paul had been persecuting every Christian he could find. He was the only apostle this Gospel was given to.

2. You'll never grow in knowledge if you live in fear of disagreement. Most disagreements with regard to scripture are caused by misunderstandings of scripture and stereotypical knowledge that was picked up here and there through a lifetime. I came to know scripture due to a conversation with a friend. Without that conversation, my thirst for knowledge may not have met the same success it has.

3. The Methodist denomination is indeed an organized sub-group of the Christian faith. My son is about to accept a scholarship from McMurry University, a Methodist university. I could not be happier for him.

that comment about Methodists was a joke. i'll raise my hand when I am kidding next time.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

that comment about Methodists was a joke. i'll raise my hand when I am kidding next time.

LOL, my dad would have got it, he was a methodist. Come to think of it, he often joked about the disorganization.

 

[Brasky]

The scripture I gave you came directly from the Gospel of Christ. How can you then ask me why Christ didn't mention it?

Because he didn't. Don't show me a letter that someone else wrote to the Romans, show me where Jesus mentioned it.

I Corinthians 14:37: "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

I would agree that Paul's writings are divinely inspired. I would also note that 2,000 years later people are still arguing about what it all means, especially in context.

Your mentioning about the invention of the word homosexuality is pointless. The act is the sin, not the word. You will also fail to find the word "RAPTURE" in the Bible, but regardless, the event is spoken of many times.

it might be pointless to you. However, if you are trying to understand a work that has been translated it is very useful to know word origins. The word homosexual might have some things attached to it that the original Greek didn't intend (I'm not sure, but it's certainly possible)

Jesus loved the moneychangers that he chased out of the temple, but he nevertheless did chase them from the temple. Their sin caused Christ to a rare show of public anger, as well.

Agreed. I never said anything about Jesus' love for sinners. The whole Bible is about that.

Being born gay is not a proven scientific fact. So let's not assume it is. I cannot answer your question, based on non-fact, and provide a factual answer.

I think it will be. But here, let me tell you a story. I knew 2 boys when I was little. I'd say I was maybe 9 years old when it was obvious to me that they were gay. I didn't know a whole lot about it but I knew. Everyone did. Sure enough, when we grew up, they were in fact gay. I bet you know people like this too. So what difference does it make if they were born that way (though I think they were).

Yes, I told you that all sin is the same. And I just told you that again. I said that because my Bible says that. It's not for me to conform this Bible to my liking. It's for me to conform myself to God's liking.

I've never quite understood this. It isn't true. For one thing, Jesus outright says otherwise when he says that blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.

But that 's just an example. Though we don't know, my guess is that if the worst thing I ever did was lust after a woman I saw once that God would be kinder toward me than if I'd kidnapped and murdered a child. I know many people like you who think that we just can't understand God's justice but I think we can. He's fair. Lusting after a woman is a sin and so is murder but our just God will make a distinction, imo.