Crossfire - 5/15/14

[Matt Cotcher]

For this week's Crossfire, click HERE.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

You picked OU over Texas? For real? Where did we go wrong here?

 

[monarch]

my mind.. has officially gone numb!​

 

[texasdobbs]

Very good information. .. but I think we beat K State and finish 8-4...

 

[Horn78]

I'm a little surprised at the number of losses you're predicting especially Kstate. 

 

[Lukus Alderman]

Great Crossfire!

 

[DBut82]

Once again, a great read! Thanks!

 

[Bear19]

Did the BYU game get canceled?

 

[Pancho Negro]

If 5 million from the gay population buy his jersey at $50 a pop, that nets the NFL & St. Louis Rams $250,000,000.

This answer is a bit offensive. Why would you just assume that it's nothing but "gay people" buying his jersey?

 

[Bear19]

This answer is a bit offensive. Why would you just assume that it's nothing but "gay people" buying his jersey?

That's not what he means. He's talking about the extra number of jerseys that might be sold.

 

[echeese]

I appreciated the comments from the NFL folks/FOB. . . .but the critisim of Davis not going across the middle is a bit unfair since our play caller seemed to think passing routes between the hash marks were toxic. . . though.in fairness. . .he was dealing with a weak armed QB.  Still we seemed bent on handicapping ourselves by not using the entire field.

Coleman's offerings are becoming "must reads". . .appreciate the concise detail. . .and real football content..  .

This answer is a bit offensive. Why would you just assume that it's nothing but "gay people" buying his jersey?

Good point. . . . .because we generally see such a huge run on 7th round picks having their jerseys sell out. . .

A very offensive comment by McPaul . ..I appreciate the PC police jumping on top of it. . . ..I for one applaud the NFL for making sure "new markets" were opened up.

 

[Duke C #11]

The more CFB tries to be a farm system for the NFL, the less I like it.  College football and pro football are and always have been two very different games.  It ain't broke, guys.

 

[Pancho Negro]

I appreciated the comments from the NFL folks/FOB. . . .but the critisim of Davis not going across the middle is a bit unfair since our play caller seemed to think passing routes between the hash marks were toxic. . . though.in fairness. . .he was dealing with a weak armed QB.  Still we seemed bent on handicapping ourselves by not using the entire field.

Coleman's offerings are becoming "must reads". . .appreciate the concise detail. . .and real football content..  .

Good point. . . . .because we generally see such a huge run on 7th round picks having their jerseys sell out. . .

A very offensive comment by McPaul . ..I appreciate the PC police jumping on top of it. . . ..I for one applaud the NFL for making sure "new markets" were opened up.

I don't think you know what PC means if you think I was being PC.

My point is we have no evidence of who is buying his jersey and it's a bit naive and short sighted to assume it's nothing but  5 million gays buying them.

That's not trying to be PC--that's pointing out a flaw in the logic. 

 

[echeese]

I don't think you know what PC means if you think I was being PC.

My point is we have no evidence of who is buying his jersey and it's a bit naive and short sighted to assume it's nothing but  5 million gays buying them.

That's not trying to be PC--that's pointing out a flaw in the logic. 

LOL. . . 

Good point. . . Michael Sam's is Johnny Football like. ... 

You might need to express your PC outrage to CBS sports as well . ..their commentary:

By Friday at 5 p.m., some 20 hours after the Browns traded up to No. 22 to take quarterback Johnny Manziel, the team's ticket office sold more than 2,300 season tickets. So it's no surprise that he also has the league's top-selling rookie jersey, according to the NFL (viaOutsports.com).

Second behind Johnny Football: Michael Sam (7th round, 249 overall), the NFL's first openly gay player. He's followed by defensive end Jadeveon Clowney (first round, first overall), and quarterbacks Teddy Bridgewater (first round, 32nd overall) and Blake Bortles (first round, third overall).

"This is unprecedented for a Day 3 pick, let alone a seventh round pick, to crack the top five rookies sold following Draft weekend," NFL spokesperson Joanna Hunter said.

PS, McPaul did not say "only gay people" would buy the jersey's (nice strawman). . .he said if 5 million gays bought them it generated $250,000,000 in revenue from one community alone. . .. . 

 

[Pancho Negro]

LOL. . . 

Good point. . . Michael Sam's is Johnny Football like. ... 

You might need to express your PC outrage to CBS sports as well . ..their commentary:



PS, McPaul did not say "only gay people" would buy the jersey's (nice strawman). . .he said if 5 million gays bought them it generated $250,000,000 in revenue from one community alone. . .. . 

That article doesn't state that 5 million gays are the ones buying his jersey. 

He's gay - yes

He's sold 5 million jerseys - yes

There's no logic in saying that all of the jerseys he's sold is solely because of gays and gays only. If you're going to use that "logic" then you might as well say the only people buying Manziel jerseys are straight white people or only A&M fans. That's not how logic works. There could be people and allies of all types of backgrounds and cultures buying his jersey. But to say that it MUST be 5 million gays lacks logic and reasoning. 

 

[echeese]

LOL. . . .you built a strawman (a logical fallacy) and you are lecturing others on logic????   Or do you not realize that Darrell never said "solely". . .????   you injected a word to change his remarks (called strawman building) so you then had something you could attack . .. and yes. . .it's a very PC attack. . .ESPECIALLY the way you worded it.

It's OK to admit you went over the top. . .or not. . .don't really care. . . .but when you build your argument on a logical fallacy. . .it's likely to be mocked.. . 

Can you discuss anything else. . .preferably football/recruiting related?

 

[Darrell McPhaul]

Pancho My Man,

I apologize if I came off offensive.  That certainly was not my intention and if we were having this conversation in person, I'm certain it would not come off as such.

From my perspective the gay community is very supportive of one another so, I used that analogy.  

We good?  If not give me a call and I'm certain we can smooth it out.

Darrell

 

[Coleman Feeley]

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[SIZE=medium]But Thanks to all who read and Echeese for the great compliments of my work![/SIZE]

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[ATX89]

Good info. The Wittek news is late breaking, but would love to know what really happened there.  Have heard he may  have gotten kicked out of USC for some legal issue and therefore won't graduate on time to be ready this summer to enroll etc.  I have no idea at this point.