Cowboys got robbed

[echeese]

Most Dallas fans are on the same level as aggie fans.

Such a childish retarded statement. . . ..

It was a bad call as Dez clearly made a football move, he had control of the ball, transfered the ball, took 3 steps but clearly lunged for the endzone .. . .

Crying about the call vs Detroit?   Since there was no contact. . .how is it PI?   Oh wait, there was contact . ..the Detroit TE was pulling on the Dallas players facemask . .. those pesky replay facts.    

At the end of the day. . .. GB only needed a FG to win and Da Boys hadn't stopped Rodgers once in the 2nd half. . . . .(OK, once on the 1st drive)

2 turning points in the game. . . .Garrett's bone headed TO but all was not lost, 3rd and 1. . . . .best rushing team in the league . . .but no, let's get cute, go 5 wide and stop teh clock for GB. . . . 6 point turn there.

Followed up by Murray's fumble, another 6-10 point swing. . . . .

Those were the killers .. . . .GB was ready to pack it in and Dallas let them off the mat. . . .

Well if we want to go way back, the loss to Washington and Colt cost them home field throughout. . . . and GB does not play well on the road . . . . 

Great season. . . most predicted Da Boys go 6-10 . ..they shock the world and go 12-4. . . ..return one of the youngest teams in the NFL now hungry for more. . . ..loss sucked, call was wrong but Da Boys had plenty of chances to win. . .. 

 

[BevoBlake]

I think everyone should just drop the aggie remarks. Cowboys and Texans fans alike. We all know that is below the belt. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I think everyone should just drop the aggie remarks. Cowboys and Texans fans alike. We all know that is below the belt. 

Agreed

Them's fightin' words!

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Well if we want to go way back, the loss to Washington and Colt cost them home field throughout. . . . and GB does not play well on the road . . . . 

Not gonna lie - I was pulling for Colt that night!

I'm the most half-assed NFL fan there is. I root for both the Cowboys and Texans, but care more about my fantasy team than both.

 

[DocHorn]

Such a childish retarded statement. . . ..

It was a bad call as Dez clearly made a football move, he had control of the ball, transfered the ball, took 3 steps but clearly lunged for the endzone .. . .

Crying about the call vs Detroit?   Since there was no contact. . .how is it PI?   Oh wait, there was contact . ..the Detroit TE was pulling on the Dallas players facemask . .. those pesky replay facts.    

At the end of the day. . .. GB only needed a FG to win and Da Boys hadn't stopped Rodgers once in the 2nd half. . . . .(OK, once on the 1st drive)

2 turning points in the game. . . .Garrett's bone headed TO but all was not lost, 3rd and 1. . . . .best rushing team in the league . . .but no, let's get cute, go 5 wide and stop teh clock for GB. . . . 6 point turn there.

Followed up by Murray's fumble, another 6-10 point swing. . . . .

Those were the killers .. . . .GB was ready to pack it in and Dallas let them off the mat. . . .

Well if we want to go way back, the loss to Washington and Colt cost them home field throughout. . . . and GB does not play well on the road . . . . 

Great season. . . most predicted Da Boys go 6-10 . ..they shock the world and go 12-4. . . ..return one of the youngest teams in the NFL now hungry for more. . . ..loss sucked, call was wrong but Da Boys had plenty of chances to win. . .. 

Yea, it was a great season, feels really bad to lose this way.  I hope they work to improve the defense and  develop the o line even more.   Perhaps this will be a springboard to better post seasons in the next few years

 

[86MEHorn]

2 turning points in the game. . . .Garrett's bone headed TO but all was not lost, 3rd and 1. . . . .best rushing team in the league . . .but no, let's get cute, go 5 wide and stop teh clock for GB. . . . 6 point turn there.

Still think Dez made the catch, but agree with you. Garrett's move reminded me of the "Ice Bailey" timeout a few years back. 3rd and 1 and Witten was clearly short. Most teams run to the line and get the play off before a review. Coaches don't help by making the timeout themselves.

Then, the OC decided to throw the ball when Murray is getting about 4 yds/carry. Insult to injury, Romo loses focus and the ball hits him on the shoulder pad...Bailey misses both kicks.

Winnable game.

 

[86MEHorn]

Not gonna lie - I was pulling for Colt that night!

I'm the most half-assed NFL fan there is. I root for both the Cowboys and Texans, but care more about my fantasy team than both.

Tough game...rooted for both the Cowboys and Colt. Colt played awesome...too bad it took John Gruden the whole game to figure it out. Knucklehead.

 

[Royal 60]

when it happened I thought bad call--However after seeing it over and over--I agree with the call.

 

[DocHorn]

when it happened I thought bad call--However after seeing it over and over--I agree with the call.

I don't know, he secured the ball, brought it in, took three steps and the defenders body hit him in the legs to bring him down, he starts to reach and hits the ground.  He made about 3 football moves before ever hitting the ground.

 I can see how you can dissect it and claim a process incompletion, but clearly you can easily argue and call it the other way.

  Really heartbreaking for this Cowboy fan, shoot I started going to games in 1960 when the first formed, and I sold  programs in the Cotton Bowl in those early years..  This one is hard to stomach. 

 

[drgilbert]

Since it was called a catch on the field I don't understand how the replays showed inconclusive evidence to overturn

 

[Mike Garland]

Have any of y'all read the rule?

It's the problem.

 

[Coleman Feeley]

Rough Night for me I'll tell ya what....

It's also such a difficult call (please... hear me out) because according to the NFL rule if a receiver is 'falling to the ground' that receiver must maintain "Complete Control" of the ball. Now... to me I'm not sure how an official can differentiate between "possession and complete control" but those are the written rules. I have always viewed officials to be like Supreme Court Justices, their job is to make calls based on the written law, NOT to express any personal opinions and NOT to disregard rules/ laws they feel to be unjust.

IMO.... Dez caught the ball, THEN took multiple steps, in-bounds before extending his body to try to gain additional yardage, after changing the ball to the hand closest to the sideline (a coaching point for ball carriers), then recovered a bobbled ball that never hit the ground. All of this was ruled on the field to be a completion and somehow the booth official found indisputable evidence that to overturn the call.

Regardless of loyalty to my team... I have to give it up to Coach McCarthy for the challenge, I would have never thrown that flag.

 

[PeteA422]

Rough Night for me I'll tell ya what....

It's also such a difficult call (please... hear me out) because according to the NFL rule if a receiver is 'falling to the ground' that receiver must maintain "Complete Control" of the ball. Now... to me I'm not sure how an official can differentiate between "possession and complete control" but those are the written rules. I have always viewed officials to be like Supreme Court Justices, their job is to make calls based on the written law, NOT to express any personal opinions and NOT to disregard rules/ laws they feel to be unjust.

IMO.... Dez caught the ball, THEN took multiple steps, in-bounds before extending his body to try to gain additional yardage, after changing the ball to the hand closest to the sideline (a coaching point for ball carriers), then recovered a bobbled ball that never hit the ground. All of this was ruled on the field to be a completion and somehow the booth official found indisputable evidence that to overturn the call.

Regardless of loyalty to my team... I have to give it up to Coach McCarthy for the challenge, I would have never thrown that flag.

I disagree with the comment in bold.  In my opinion, it was a no brainer to throw the challenge flag.  Four minutes left, you have the time outs, but only two minutes left for any sort of challenge.  It is fourth and 2, a completion and your opponent is on the one yard line ready to take the lead.  You throw the flag and hope it gets overturned, but if not, you use the time to get your goal line package ready and the worst that has happened is you are out a time-out with one of the best QBs in the league.  So they score, GB has one time out left and the two minute warning to try and get into FG range for a last second win. 

In the event the call is overturned, you get the ball back with excellent field position, and the game plays out the way it did.  So in my opinion, it was a no brainer to throw the flag by Coach M.

Am I upset with the call, definitely, as are many other people (even WR's from other teams in the NFC couldn't believe it).  But I am not going to give credit to Coach M for doing what any of us would have done in his situation.  Just my 2 cents.

 

[Coleman Feeley]

I disagree with the comment in bold.  In my opinion, it was a no brainer to throw the challenge flag.  Four minutes left, you have the time outs, but only two minutes left for any sort of challenge.  It is fourth and 2, a completion and your opponent is on the one yard line ready to take the lead.  You throw the flag and hope it gets overturned, but if not, you use the time to get your goal line package ready and the worst that has happened is you are out a time-out with one of the best QBs in the league.  So they score, GB has one time out left and the two minute warning to try and get into FG range for a last second win. 

In the event the call is overturned, you get the ball back with excellent field position, and the game plays out the way it did.  So in my opinion, it was a no brainer to throw the flag by Coach M.

Am I upset with the call, definitely, as are many other people (even WR's from other teams in the NFC couldn't believe it).  But I am not going to give credit to Coach M for doing what any of us would have done in his situation.  Just my 2 cents.

Yeah you're right. I suppose in the situation it really is a 'why not throw it' type of play.

I was just so sure he caught that ball, not that I'm still salty about it or anything....

 

[djohn2oo8]

You must have control throughout possession. Not a catch and outrage about it is silly.

 

[drgilbert]

At what time does it become a possession!

 

[drgilbert]

Sorry I meant to end with? Not !

 

[BevoBlake]

One of the largest problems with the rule is the fact that we have a bunch of non-athletes making judgement calls on what a freak athlete can do. (football move)

The referees likely made the right call. The problem is the rule itself, it was terrible years ago when Megatron fell victim to it and it was equally as terrible last night when Dez did. I think anyone, even with bias, could admit that Dez made that catch. With that said, the refs didn't cost us that game. The call didn't cost us that game (even if it did really help). Dallas' 2nd half mistakes cost us that game.

 

[echeese]

Have any of y'all read the rule?

It's the problem.

Have you read the rule stating what a catch is?

I have to ask since you clearly you haven't. . . . 

A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight (See 8-1-3).
Note 1: It is a catch if in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control of the ball prior to
the ball touching the ground and that control is maintained after the ball has touched the ground

You'll find the rule on page 5. . . . . since CLEARLY Dez had secured the ball. . . which was also the opinion of the official on the field...there was no grounds for it to be overturned. . . .

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/6_Rule3_Definitions.pdf

PLAYER POSSESSION
Article 7A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3).
To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have
complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands,
completely on the ground inbounds, and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act
common to the game. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part
of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession.
This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.

Dez caught the ball facing across the field, took 3 steps, turned his body more than 90 degrees to face the end zone, transfered the ball from one had to the other and lunged for said end zone .. . 
 
Pretty sure that meets the "act common to the game' rule otherwise known as a football move.
 
Again, the ref on the field (actually all of them, not one signaled incompletion) agreed with my take on the rule. . . 
Oh yeah, since control was establish, clearly enough that not only did he have it, he transferred the ball to a different hand .. . the ground cannot cause a fumble. . . .

You have the NFL even double talking about it now. . . which again goes back to you need irrefutable evidence to over turn a call .. . 

 

[drgilbert]

Cheese I am on your side on this one, but it seems like we need a definition of or examples of "secures control of the ball" by the NFL I still think it is a catch.