Conference Realignment Discussion

[J.B. TexasEx]

If you are USC/UCLA and you cover your current expense on $32M of conference revenue a year for all sports. You can cover any additional cost on the extra $70M a year you get. Then you can reinvest in facilities and coaches to keep up with the Power 2 teams. 
 

If you don’t join the Power 2, you will fall $70M a year behind those schools. The road trips in the PAC 12 are already long for the teams.  

I don't know what to believe about future pay-outs to the B1G and SEC. $100MM per team sounds far-fetched, but assuming even $70MM per is accurate your assertion is still correct. Plus, now all universities offer online classes, so WTF?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

If you are USC/UCLA and you cover your current expense on $32M of conference revenue a year for all sports. You can cover any additional cost on the extra $70M a year you get. Then you can reinvest in facilities and coaches to keep up with the Power 2 teams. 
 

If you don’t join the Power 2, you will fall $70M a year behind those schools. The road trips in the PAC 12 are already long for the teams.  

So we end up with 25 teams in two conferences, which will split into pods, which will then give us the very same thing we have right now.

I listened today to ESPN, which was pitching an SEC with Tech, Okie state, Colorado, AZ and AZ State along with Texas and OU – in a pod of the SEC.

That doesn't excite me and makes me think this entire charade brings us back to something we already had.

 

[dssl]

I  listened today to ESPN, which was pitching an SEC with Tech, Okie state, Colorado, AZ and AZ State along with Texas and OU – in a pod of the SEC.

I have been hearing this kind of talk from some. Maybe it is wishful thinking from some of those teams but I don't see it happening. 

IMHO teams will be added to the SEC or B1G iff they improve the payout of the existing members. I just can't Imagine a majority of schools in either of these conferences voting for an expansion that will harm their bottom line. 

 

[Wayne]

So we end up with 25 teams in two conferences, which will split into pods, which will then give us the very same thing we have right now.

I listened today to ESPN, which was pitching an SEC with Tech, Okie state, Colorado, AZ and AZ State along with Texas and OU – in a pod of the SEC.

That doesn't excite me and makes me think this entire charade brings us back to something we already had.

They may end up with 20 apiece. They’re are only about 8 teams that may have it. Notre Dame, Washington, Oregon, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina and one more.  Not sure who the one more is.

But all the rest is filler.  The ACC should have jumped on the playoff offer last year.  They won’t get an offer like that again.  Now the winner of the ACC/PAC 10/Big 12 will be lucky to get in the playoff after the current system lapses in a couple of years.  
 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

ESPN has the ACC locked in at a discount rate until 2036.

They've got no motivation to subsidize SEC expansion with ACC teams. With that said, my hope is the SEC remains at 16 teams for the short-term and we play 0u, aggy, and Arky every year regardless of what happens with more realignment. I don't care as long as we play those 3 annually. I like the idea of a 3+6 schedule where UT plays every SEC team twice in 4 years. Good match-ups.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

So we end up with 25 teams in two conferences, which will split into pods, which will then give us the very same thing we have right now.

I listened today to ESPN, which was pitching an SEC with Tech, Okie state, Colorado, AZ and AZ State along with Texas and OU – in a pod of the SEC.

That doesn't excite me and makes me think this entire charade brings us back to something we already had.

Agreed - that sucks

We've got no history with the Arizonas. I'd rather play Tennessee, Bama, FL, and UGA twice every two years.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

 

[tejasrulz]

I remember when the Pac 12 was the conference of champions and in all other sports, that can still be said. This just shows how football drives everything in college sports.

 

[dssl]

54 minutes ago, J.B. TexasEx said:

This would certainly shake things up. If this happens it's even harder to imagine TX and OU remaining in the BIG12 for 2024.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

This would certainly shake things up. If this happens it's even harder to imagine TX and OU remaining in the BIG12 for 2024.

Yep, that's why I'm hoping it happens stat. Big 12 needs to be proactive. Helluva first week on the job for the new commish, Brett Yormark.

But, what will the new Big 16 pods/permanent rivals look like?

Texas: Tech, TCU, BU, UH

West: AZ, ASU, Utah, BYU

Central: CU, KU, KSU, OSU

East: Iowa St, WVU, CIN, UCF

Use the same 3+6, 9-game league scheduling format and everybody plays home & homes every 4 years. Not a bad schedule.

 

[TFloss32]

This will be fun to watch as IT is reporting this morning that the Pac-12 is going to attempt to grab as many as five teams from the Big XII.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

This will be fun to watch as IT is reporting this morning that the Pac-12 is going to attempt to grab as many as five teams from the Big XII.

Pac-12 has nothing to sell if any more of their teams bail for the B1G.

UW, UO, Cal, and Stanford are prospects, depending on who you read. Which 5 are the Pac targeting? I don't subscribe to IT.

Honestly, I don't care if the Pac grabs 5 Big12 teams bc that means we definitely get out of our GOR and this contract sooner.

 

[dssl]

This will be fun to watch as IT is reporting this morning that the Pac-12 is going to attempt to grab as many as five teams from the Big XII.

It almost seems like it would make more sense for a new conference to form, that way it could be made up of the 16 teams that make the most sense, and not be constrained by keeping all the existing or promised members of either conference. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

It almost seems like it would make more sense for a new conference to form, that way it could be made up of the 16 teams that make the most sense, and not be constrained by keeping all the existing or promised members of either conference. 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for these meetings.

I don't know how some teams are valued these days with "TV market size" and "cable subscribers" not being the main drivers any longer. What makes USC + UCLA worth $140MM+ annually to FOX and the B1G? For example, Rutgers never has and doesn't deliver the NYC metro to the B1G. Now they're getting an equal share of the biggest revenue pie?

Does not compute.

 

[dssl]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for these meetings.

I don't know how some teams are valued these days with "TV market size" and "cable subscribers" not being the main drivers any longer. What makes USC + UCLA worth $140MM+ annually to FOX and the B1G? For example, Rutgers never has and doesn't deliver the NYC metro to the B1G. Now they're getting an equal share of the biggest revenue pie?

Does not compute.

From what I remember at the time it allowed ESPN or someone to somehow charge more money to the cable providers in the NY and NJ markets, even though they didn’t watch much college football. At the time it may have made economic sense for the B1G , but in the current TV revenue environment it makes no sense.

 

[zion3d]

I do not claim to understand the media rights arena but as far as from the 30000ft level if the Big12 loses just one of its current member I think this will be just the gift that UT is looking for to go ahead and leave the X wife and move over to the greener pastures that is the SEC.  It bodes well for them getting in earlier for the PR and recruiting but not so much for the highly competitive teams that they will be playing.  The latter not withstanding I think UT would rather leave sooner rather than later.  Interesting, whether to stay and live with the X wife or try your hand at going trolling on the beach with a beer gut and varicose veins.  Just saying we are not quite where I would like to see us in depth and talent.  I know that it will come but while we are building it would be better to do that in the Big12 than in the SEC.  Still I think the allure of the SEC is undeniable.  Which one of us would not rather be out of our league with a hot babe than to stay with someone that is coyote ugly.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

This will be fun to watch as IT is reporting this morning that the Pac-12 is going to attempt to grab as many as five teams from the Big XII.

If I were a betting man, I'd say at some point you'll see some sort of alliance between the Big 12 and Pac 10. The Big 12 really doesn't offer anything for the west coast schools to move. And the Pac 10 really doesn't offer anything to Big 12 schools. Its a push. IMO, they have to do something so some sort of scheduling alliance may be a result.

The Pac 10 won't budge as long as Oregon and Washington are still around. But adding a San Diego State or Boise State does nothing to help them.

 

[Wayne]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for these meetings.

I don't know how some teams are valued these days with "TV market size" and "cable subscribers" not being the main drivers any longer. What makes USC + UCLA worth $140MM+ annually to FOX and the B1G? For example, Rutgers never has and doesn't deliver the NYC metro to the B1G. Now they're getting an equal share of the biggest revenue pie?

Does not compute.

Rutgers and Maryland made sense in the cable days.  The Big 10 Network wasn't on the New York or Washington DC cable systems.  They were added to those systems after Rutgers and Maryland were added to the conference.  There were a lot of subscribers in those markets.