Conference Realignment Discussion

[J.B. TexasEx]

After UT and OU leave the big 12 and BYU joins, the big 12 will have 1 national championship in the last 75 years. BYU had one in the 80s. The Pac 12 and ACC have more   in this century.  

Oh, yeah? Now look at NYD 6 bowl game participation during the CFB Playoff era.

ACC is Clemson and FSU (do we count Notre Dame as a part-timer?). Pac-12 is USC, Oregon, and maybe Washington. See? I cherry-picked a metric that fits my narrative, too.

 

[Soldierhorn]

do we count Notre Dame as a part-timer?

Of course we count ND as an ACC team, they are in the ACC.  the media narrative is that they are still independent... but they arent.  One of the main points about having conferences and why they were created was for a reliable & dedicated schedule of opponents. ND has that with the ACC. There are a certain amount of games they have to schedule with ACC opponents (not as many as other conference members but that's on the conference and their agreements). How can ND not be considered ACC when last year they played in the ACC conference championship game?  ND is also considered in the ACC bowl affiliations; odd if they are not in the ACC

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[Wayne]

Oh, yeah? Now look at NYD 6 bowl game participation during the CFB Playoff era.

ACC is Clemson and FSU (do we count Notre Dame as a part-timer?). Pac-12 is USC, Oregon, and maybe Washington. See? I cherry-picked a metric that fits my narrative, too.

That’s not cherry picked. None of the teams in the future big 12 has ever been to the playoff.  Even if they deserved it. They are second thoughts. If a blue blood is within sniffing distance they’ll get passed over. It will not be a power 5 conference. Without ou or UT to play they’re recruiting will suffer as well. Nobody is going to give the new big 12 the time of day for consideration as a major conference. The new programs are the limit. 
 

in the new big 12 there is no Clemson, no FSU, no USC, no Oregon, no Washington. The biggest and only national brand is BYU. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Of course we count ND as an ACC team, they are in the ACC.  the media narrative is that they are still independent... but they arent.  One of the main points about having conferences and why they were created was for a reliable & dedicated schedule of opponents. ND has that with the ACC. There are a certain amount of games they have to schedule with ACC opponents (not as many as other conference members but that's on the conference and their agreements). How can ND not be considered ACC when last year they played in the ACC conference championship game?  ND is also considered in the ACC bowl affiliations; odd if they are not in the ACC

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Because they only play 5 ACC opponents annually. Look it up.

 

[Soldierhorn]

Because they only play 5 ACC opponents annually. Look it up.

Being snarky doesnt help

Playing 5 games dosnt matter; that's a dedicated scheduling agreement.  If ND is in the ACC bowl affiliation agreement and participates in the conference championship game, then they are in the ACC conference.  If they still get special considerations for CFP AND get to also have conference benefits, then one or the other needs to stop. 

 

[Wayne]

Being snarky doesnt help

Playing 5 games dosnt matter; that's a dedicated scheduling agreement.  If ND is in the ACC bowl affiliation agreement and participates in the conference championship game, then they are in the ACC conference.  If they still get special considerations for CFP AND get to also have conference benefits, then one or the other needs to stop. 

Notre Dame being able to be in the ACC Championship game was just for last year.  They became a member for one year last year because most of their games on original schedule were cancelled due to COVID.  As a result they played a full ACC schedule and were eligible for the championship game.  They are not eligible this year.  They just play the five games in the agreement. 

As far as bowl affiliations, Notre Dame doesn't need much help.  But most bowls, with the exception of the playoff games are just beauty contests.  So I don't care who goes the Belk Bowl, the Gator Bowl, etc.  The Big Bowls have a separate agreement to which Notre Dame is a party.  Until that agreement is changed and it probably will be soon with playoff expansion, Notre Dame is a part of it.  

 

[tejasrulz]

If I was Maryland, I'd quit the Big X and move to the Big XII, they'd probably win it every year.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Notre Dame being able to be in the ACC Championship game was just for last year.  They became a member for one year last year because most of their games on original schedule were cancelled due to COVID.  As a result they played a full ACC schedule and were eligible for the championship game.  They are not eligible this year.  They just play the five games in the agreement. 

As far as bowl affiliations, Notre Dame doesn't need much help.  But most bowls, with the exception of the playoff games are just beauty contests.  So I don't care who goes the Belk Bowl, the Gator Bowl, etc.  The Big Bowls have a separate agreement to which Notre Dame is a party.  Until that agreement is changed and it probably will be soon with playoff expansion, Notre Dame is a part of it.  

I knew last year had special circumstances for ND due to Covid. Thanks for the thorough explanation. It confirms what we already know - ND is an independent for football.

 

[TFloss32]

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[J.B. TexasEx]

 

[HornSports Staff]

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[J.B. TexasEx]

3 hours ago, HornSports Staff said:

Now the SEC and revamped Big 12 can put aside their butthurt and form an "alliance".

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

It's time to get weird.

 

[Soldierhorn]

Notre Dame being able to be in the ACC Championship game was just for last year.  They became a member for one year last year because most of their games on original schedule were cancelled due to COVID.  As a result they played a full ACC schedule and were eligible for the championship game.  They are not eligible this year.  They just play the five games in the agreement. 

As far as bowl affiliations, Notre Dame doesn't need much help.  But most bowls, with the exception of the playoff games are just beauty contests.  So I don't care who goes the Belk Bowl, the Gator Bowl, etc.  The Big Bowls have a separate agreement to which Notre Dame is a party.  Until that agreement is changed and it probably will be soon with playoff expansion, Notre Dame is a part of it.  

Sorry for the late reply. I've got a lot going on right now and dont get on the forums every day any more.  

1) WRT ACC CCG. it doesnt matter if it is one time or 100 times; ND participating in a CCG SHOULD put an end to all this nonsense.  Has there EVER been a time in the last 100 yrs when a NON-Conference team participated in a conference championship game?  I'm old and I cant think of another situation like that.  No. you only do that if both teams are in the same conference - even if it's only one time. 

2) WRT bowl affiliations. It doesnt matter if ND needs help or not - that's not the issue.  Again, would a conference allow a non-conference team to be slotted in their hierarchy of bowl affiliation games?  And, again, a conference will only do that with a conference member - not a non-conference member.  The question is: why does the rest of CFB allow ND special considerations for CFP while they also participate in the ACC conference post-season games?  As of last year, ND has shown they are not functioning as an independent program and special considerations need to stop.

Those that say, "they are independent. that's just the way it is" is nonsensical. By ND playing in ACC post-season games, they should have screwed themselves if they want to keep the independent moniker & privilege that even other independent programs dont get .

 

[TFloss32]

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[texbound]

5 minutes ago, TFloss32 said:

Question, if the new 4 teams join the B12 in 2023, wouldn't that lower the buyout for UT and OU to leave in 2023?  The current contract runs through 2025, right?  I don't believe more money has been added to the current TV contract, so that means 4 additional teams to divide the share.  Something has to give if they're adding them in 2023 and hopefully that something is OU and UT leaving next year.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Sorry for the late reply. I've got a lot going on right now and dont get on the forums every day any more.  

1) WRT ACC CCG. it doesnt matter if it is one time or 100 times; ND participating in a CCG SHOULD put an end to all this nonsense.  Has there EVER been a time in the last 100 yrs when a NON-Conference team participated in a conference championship game?  I'm old and I cant think of another situation like that.  No. you only do that if both teams are in the same conference - even if it's only one time. 

2) WRT bowl affiliations. It doesnt matter if ND needs help or not - that's not the issue.  Again, would a conference allow a non-conference team to be slotted in their hierarchy of bowl affiliation games?  And, again, a conference will only do that with a conference member - not a non-conference member.  The question is: why does the rest of CFB allow ND special considerations for CFP while they also participate in the ACC conference post-season games?  As of last year, ND has shown they are not functioning as an independent program and special considerations need to stop.

Those that say, "they are independent. that's just the way it is" is nonsensical. By ND playing in ACC post-season games, they should have screwed themselves if they want to keep the independent moniker & privilege that even other independent programs dont get .

You guys are repeating yourselves now.

Point has been addressed several times. It was a one-year agreement due to Covid that is no longer in effect in any way. Otherwise, why is the ACC still trying to get ND to join the conference?

Whatever mud you seem to think ND got on themselves for joining a conference for one year – it washes right off because its history, not a current event anymore.

 

[Soldierhorn]

You guys are repeating yourselves now.

Point has been addressed several times. It was a one-year agreement due to Covid that is no longer in effect in any way. Otherwise, why is the ACC still trying to get ND to join the conference?

Whatever mud you seem to think ND got on themselves for joining a conference for one year – it washes right off because its history, not a current event anymore.

And, you just did the same thing. You just repeated what two others said; which is to point out what happened... multiple times.

I dont think anyone is arguing what DID happen.  My point was, and still is, what SHOULD happen. 

 

[java]

That cease and desist letter sounds like the rest of the Big 12 doesn’t want ESPN airing their games.

Guess no Gameday in Waco, Lubbock, Ft. Worth, Ames, Lawrence, Stillwater, Manhattan, or whoever I’m forgetting is. 

Man, they have really got to put their big boy pants on. This is silly. These are grown men and women for goodness sakes. 

Didn’t one of them have a plan of action for the day when Texas would no longer be carrying them.  We have done it, to our detriment, for over 50 years.  They should say thank you and move on.

That was the most ridiculous action that they could have taken. Texas has the LHN, and we aren’t supposed to talk to ESPN about whether or not LHN continues to exist. 

We really cannot deal with these people. 

Hook ‘em!