Coaching Changes, Rumors, Misc.

[TexExSpur]

Chip Long would be an interesting candidate and the dude is a young up and comer.  He had a sit down with Saban last season.  This would not be a bad hire from his apparent ability to call plays, but it makes you wonder what the deal was at ND for Chip to let him go with 32 wins under his belt in 3 years. 

As I understand it, the head ball coach liked to stick his nose in the play book.   

 

[primal defense]

On the surface, the numbers would suggest this is a risky move. After all, the Irish went from 42nd nationally in scoring (31.4 points) last season to 13th (37.1) this year.

That included a final push that saw them average 43.8 points in wins over Duke, Navy, Boston College and Stanford. Among those teams, however, only Navy was ranked (barely).

Dig deeper, and you’ll find a nagging trend for Notre Dame against Power 5 opponents. After ranking 23rd in scoring (32.0) in 2017, Long’s first season, the Irish dropped to 27th in 2018 (30.9) and again to 30th this year (30.6).

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/notre-dame/notre-dame-insider/2019/12/14/notre-dame-football-coach-brian-kelly-moves-chip-long/2651410001/

 

[NEOkHorn]

Garrett will be let go short of a super bowl appearance. And no way boys have the consistency for that. They might be able to get up for one game but they aren't winning 3 and they aren't beating the Saints in NO. Just not going to happen. So I'd be talking to Moore now. Not saying he's the one, but problem he Cowboys have is more their OLine is a shambles. Cowboys put up over 40 this week and Cooper only had one catch. How do I know. He's supposed to be my WR1 in fantasy. 

Sadly, Cooper was my #1 last week too and his poor performance went a long way toward ending my season.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

On the surface, the numbers would suggest this is a risky move. After all, the Irish went from 42nd nationally in scoring (31.4 points) last season to 13th (37.1) this year.

That included a final push that saw them average 43.8 points in wins over Duke, Navy, Boston College and Stanford. Among those teams, however, only Navy was ranked (barely).

Dig deeper, and you’ll find a nagging trend for Notre Dame against Power 5 opponents. After ranking 23rd in scoring (32.0) in 2017, Long’s first season, the Irish dropped to 27th in 2018 (30.9) and again to 30th this year (30.6).

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/notre-dame/notre-dame-insider/2019/12/14/notre-dame-football-coach-brian-kelly-moves-chip-long/2651410001/

Reading between the lines of some quotes from Brian Kelley makes you wonder if you really want to consider this guy. Doesn't sound exactly a great endorsement.

 

[zion3d]

There is something about the offense that I think was missing.  We were pretty good for the first few games but then started tanking.  I think we have the talent, that's not the issue.  IMO it is more to do with play calling and predictability.  When I know what they are going to run before the pay starts that's pretty bad. 

There also were these lulls with the offense, almost like there was some sort of twilight zone disconnection happening on the field.  3 and out over an entire period or two.  It seems that once the defense had keyed in on what we were doing the offense would just fold with no type of adjustment to the defense being ran. 

We also tried milking the clock time and time again because we were too scared to run the normal offense.  I hate when coaches make calls not to lose instead of making calls to win. 

In the end I do think that making adjustments, play selection, and consistency were the main issues that we saw with the offense.  The two over arching issues that I discussed with CDC was, 1.  Player Development (That is a coaching issue.)  2. O and D Schemes (Also a coaching issue)  

Anyone feel free to correct me.

 

[tejasrulz]

Here's a name out of the blue and yes I know it's a long shot, Todd Dodge. I was watching the local news and he has Westlake in the state championship game this weekend. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

There is something about the offense that I think was missing.  We were pretty good for the first few games but then started tanking.  I think we have the talent, that's not the issue.  IMO it is more to do with play calling and predictability.  When I know what they are going to run before the pay starts that's pretty bad. 

There also were these lulls with the offense, almost like there was some sort of twilight zone disconnection happening on the field.  3 and out over an entire period or two.  It seems that once the defense had keyed in on what we were doing the offense would just fold with no type of adjustment to the defense being ran. 

We also tried milking the clock time and time again because we were too scared to run the normal offense.  I hate when coaches make calls not to lose instead of making calls to win. 

In the end I do think that making adjustments, play selection, and consistency were the main issues that we saw with the offense.  The two over arching issues that I discussed with CDC was, 1.  Player Development (That is a coaching issue.)  2. O and D Schemes (Also a coaching issue)  

Anyone feel free to correct me.

Don't see anything I want to correct, but......I got ask you about you discussing issues with CDC  What was that like?

 

[NEOkHorn]

I think you makes some great points Zion. I also believe that for some reason after the first 3 games, there was a reduction in the QB run in the game plan. Whether because of injury, scheme, or poor OL play, it appeared that Sam ran less unless he was simply forced to by pressure. In this offense, the QB has to be a threat imo. Once teams did not have to account for him, the offense struggled and the coaches seemed unable to make adjustments. Seems like I also remember a comment made late in the year that the QB run was going to be a bigger part of the game plan. That made me scratch my head and wonder why it had not always been

 

[DBOOK23]

Our oline was bad this year they are to blame. We got sacked consistently by a three man rush and we did not move guys in the run game 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Regarding Chip Long, here's a quote from a poster on another site.

"Kelly had to meet with players to determine who'd leave if he retained Long. And Norvell, Long's prior boss, didn't offer him the job when he needed an OC at FSU."

 

[NEOkHorn]

It begins and ends up front on both sides of the ball. Hopefully the new class will be able to red shirt and get stronger and the 21 class will add significant talent and depth. Hand needs to earn his paycheck this year.

Would be really nice to lock down commitments from the Brockermeyer boys to the group. Really want to see them follow in their father's footsteps. Don't see that happening as quickly as I'd prefer though.

 

[lshorn79]

Here's a name out of the blue and yes I know it's a long shot, Todd Dodge. I was watching the local news and he has Westlake in the state championship game this weekend. 

I've had the same thought the past couple of days.  His offense at North Texas was able to put a bunch of points on the board.  I think his downfall was that his defense gave up too many points.  He needed to hire a better DC.

 

[NEOkHorn]

Regarding Chip Long, here's a quote from a poster on another site.

"Kelly had to meet with players to determine who'd leave if he retained Long. And Norvell, Long's prior boss, didn't offer him the job when he needed an OC at FSU."

Not a good look for sure. Especially after the Mehringer issue.

 

[Captain Hookem]

There is something about the offense that I think was missing.  We were pretty good for the first few games but then started tanking.  I think we have the talent, that's not the issue.  IMO it is more to do with play calling and predictability.  When I know what they are going to run before the pay starts that's pretty bad. 

There also were these lulls with the offense, almost like there was some sort of twilight zone disconnection happening on the field.  3 and out over an entire period or two.  It seems that once the defense had keyed in on what we were doing the offense would just fold with no type of adjustment to the defense being ran. 

We also tried milking the clock time and time again because we were too scared to run the normal offense.  I hate when coaches make calls not to lose instead of making calls to win. 

In the end I do think that making adjustments, play selection, and consistency were the main issues that we saw with the offense.  The two over arching issues that I discussed with CDC was, 1.  Player Development (That is a coaching issue.)  2. O and D Schemes (Also a coaching issue)  

Anyone feel free to correct me.

I also felt the offense shut down when Collin was out, due to the defense collapsing down on the slot receivers and running game with no outside threat. 

Later when I heard about Mehringer, that made sense as our outside WRs would come in and have no impact on the game. The offense became one dimensional, an no where near dominant enough to force their will in the running game. Beck just wasn't equipped to handle the changing dynamics. 

It's also primarily why I'm not concerned about Herman wanting to keep this scheme more or less intact. When the offense was healthy, and with properly developed players, they scored a lot of points against pretty much everybody. With someone in place who knows how to keep the offensive system in shape we shouldn't have those problems. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I also felt the offense shut down when Collin was out, due to the defense collapsing down on the slot receivers and running game with no outside threat. 

Later when I heard about Mehringer, that made sense as our outside WRs would come in and have no impact on the game. The offense became one dimensional, an no where near dominant enough to force their will in the running game. Beck just wasn't equipped to handle the changing dynamics. 

It's also primarily why I'm not concerned about Herman wanting to keep this scheme more or less intact. When the offense was healthy, and with properly developed players, they scored a lot of points against pretty much everybody. With someone in place who knows how to keep the offensive system in shape we shouldn't have those problems. 

Exactly. The scheme itself, i.e. the power spread, is not the problem. It's game planning, play-calling, and coaching on that side of the ball.  

 

[TexCoyote]

23 hours ago, TFloss32 said:

 

[TexCoyote]

I wonder if David Beaty will get a full time assistant job with all this shakeup? Heard he’s a great recruiter......would be nice to get him where he could go off campus and visit recruits. IMO

 

[bill_ut75]

The two over arching issues that I discussed with CDC was, 1.  Player Development (That is a coaching issue.)  2. O and D Schemes (Also a coaching issue)

Anyone feel free to correct me.

I agree with you. I'll just add...

Eliminating mental errors & penalties. Also a coaching issue.

Last season Texas was #119 out of 130 FBS teams for penalties AND penalty yards. That's a lot of yards to make up. Plus, penalties are often momentum killers, so the intangible deficits are even greater than the tangible ones.

1. Identify all mental errors & penalties... who's doing them?

2. What's the trigger(s) or pattern(s) that's causing the mental errors & penalties in each player doing them?

3. Position coach works 1-1 with the player(s) to rehabilitate them, until the player(s) are mentally tougher... more disciplined. That's definitely a coaching issue. The Buck stops with CTH.

A 3* player who's (been coached to be) mentally tougher than a 4* wins a lot of the time.

 

[zion3d]

Great insight guys.  I am by no means a professional analyst but some of these things are common sense.  I wonder about TH and his purist beliefs.  This, "Trust in the process or your training thing."  When it fails what do you do?   Continue to do the same thing and expect a different result?  When something does not work it does not work and you have to adapt.  Being so absolute that you have figured it out leaves no room to change your destiny. 

When I spoke to CDC I told him straight up the things that have brought us to this point yet again.

1.  No accountability for the coaching or the players. 

2. No player development.

3.  Winning is really, really hard mentality is nothing more than a predicate when you lose.  Could you ever imagine hearing Saban or Meyer saying this?

4.  Just because you are a Mensa does not mean you are a great coach. 

5.  Texas fans are weary and tired of their team not being relevant.  To be the butt of all the jokes. 

6.  Fans deserve better than what they have.  There are no excuses with all of the resources afforded to the University of Texas for them to be irrelevant.

7.  The Nebraska, Arkansas, Tennessee syndrome.  Texas is moving into a sphere of becoming these programs.  year in and year out only a memory of what used to be.  I told CDC that the years of poor decisions have hurt the brand that is Texas Longhorns football.  I also told him that there is some type of sickness that creates a destructive environment at the university and someone needs to flush that shit out once and for all. 

Okay, someone talk me off the ledge here.  Give me some hope.

 

[zion3d]

Once more thing if you will indulge me.  I did mention in my conversation the need to look closely and strength and conditioning.  Something is wrong there.  There should not be that many injuries in the course of a season.  I know nothing about this but I can see that there is something wrong with this area of Texas football. 

Anyone know the answer???