CBS: 5 Big 12 schools (including ou) explored B10 move in 2010

[Juan]

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[J.B. TexasEx]

Given a choice, I'd rather UT be in the Pac16 than consider joining the Rust Belt, er, B1G. Even the ACC would be better, IMO.

 

[Juan]

I am not going to get drawn into a long argument about this because there is no point, but my 2 cents worth is that this whole conference realignment situation has been a disaster for my school.  I hate it.  

I also think the majority of blame for this lies at the feet of DeLoss Dodds.

 

[Godz40acres]

I am not going to get drawn into a long argument about this because there is no point, but my 2 cents worth is that this whole conference realignment situation has been a disaster for my school.  I hate it.  

I also think the majority of blame for this lies at the feet of DeLoss Dodds.

Oh, yeah???!!!

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I am not going to get drawn into a long argument about this because there is no point, but my 2 cents worth is that this whole conference realignment situation has been a disaster for my school.  I hate it.  

I also think the majority of blame for this lies at the feet of DeLoss Dodds.

Why?

UT should've turned down the sweet LHN offer from ESPN? I doubt any of the other five schools mentioned would have. Just sayin'

 

[Juan]

The choice you have laid out is, I think --

(1) B12 (no fun) + LHN (more money)

vs.

(2) P12 (more fun) - LHN (less money)

I vote the latter. The Big 12 is a form of college sports hell.

 

[streettopeschel]

Every school in the country would have jumped at a chance for their own network. Our problem is more about us not being good than it is with the conference.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

The choice you have laid out is, I think --

(1) B12 (no fun) + LHN (more money)

vs.

(2) P12 (more fun) - LHN (less money)

I vote the latter. The Big 12 is a form of college sports hell.

Meh

That's a subjective opinion. CA fans are fickle at best. What teams excite you besides USC and UCLA? We can schedule them OOC and do. 

Oregon? Is their success sustainable after their Nike godfather passes away? I guess he could bequeath much of his estate to the O.

 

[Juan]

Meh

That's a subjective opinion. ....

Whose opinions arent?

Yours?

I have to give Dodds credit for convincing you guys that having the most revenue is winning in college sports.

 

[BevoBlake]

I don't think this has anything to do with what other schools would have done. Sure, 99% of the Universities out there would have taken ESPN up on their own Network. That doesn't mean that the LHN isn't potentially damaging to the BIG XII brand. Do you think a BIG XII ESPN Network takes so long to get picked up by all major television providers? Dodds doesn't have a glowing relationship with other AD's for a reason. He did things to build wealth for the University of Texas. And that's a good thing. But that doesn't mean he didn't piss off a lot of people along the way. There is a reason that Texas is make or break for the BIG XII and in my opinion, that's not a good thing. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Whose opinions arent?

Yours?

I have to give Dodds credit for convincing you guys that having the most revenue is winning in college sports.

Winning is winning

Getting your ass kicked by MS and Miss St isn't winning. Traveling to Corvallis and Pullman isn't winning, either.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I don't think this has anything to do with what other schools would have done. Sure, 99% of the Universities out there would have taken ESPN up on their own Network. That doesn't mean that the LHN isn't potentially damaging to the BIG XII brand. Do you think a BIG XII ESPN Network takes so long to get picked up by all major television providers? Dodds doesn't have a glowing relationship with other AD's for a reason. He did things to build wealth for the University of Texas. And that's a good thing. But that doesn't mean he didn't piss off a lot of people along the way. There is a reason that Texas is make or break for the BIG XII and in my opinion, that's not a good thing. 

Maybe, but anybody in the role of AD at UT can be perceived as arrogant by the have-nots and the wannabes. I don't think he could've stayed in the role for 30+ years representing UT if he were as bad as aggies like to portray. Mean ol' Texas throwing their weight around...

Personally, I would've preferred a Big12 Network - more sports content. But, the UT administration liked the idea of broadcasting commencement, the arts, etc. and using our channel as a 24-hour infomercial. Dodds, Powers, and the BoR shared in the decision equally.

 

[Juan]

Winning is winning

Getting your ass kicked by MS and Miss St isn't winning. Traveling to Corvallis and Pullman isn't winning either.

Sorry but that's just wrong. Ranking first in merchandise sales is not the equivalent of winning a NC in football. That's silly.  To me, just more evidence of the lasting effect of DeLoss Dodds' devious bait-and-switch brainwashing program.

I also feel bad for you putting yourself in a position to have to defend road trips to Stillwater, Ames, Morgantown, Lawrence and Manhattan (Vis-à-vis San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Boulder and Phoenix).  Good lord.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Sorry but that's just wrong. Ranking first in merchandise sales is not the equivalent of winning a NC in football. It's getting silly now.  To me, just more evidence of the lasting effect of DeLoss Dodds' devious bait-and-switch brainwashing program.

I also feel bad for you putting yourself in a position to have to defend road trips to Stillwater, Ames, Morgantown, Lawrence and Manhattan (Vis-à-vis San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Boulder and Phoenix).  Good lord.

Realignment decisions haven't and never will be made based on desirable travel destinations (see College Station). I'm sorry that you've got a desire for traveling to the West Coast that will go unsatisfied without many UT road games. You're making assumptions about what's important to me, too. Money is nice, but that's not the "winning" I'm talking about.

Expand on your, "To me, just more evidence of the lasting effect of DeLoss Dodds' devious bait-and-switch brainwashing program" comment. Sounds to me like you're fraternizing with too many aggies, but that's easily correctable. 

 

[streettopeschel]

The Desirable Road trip argument is near meaningless. for the less than 1% with the time and money, good for them. For the other 99%, which includes players parents, being able to drive to Waco, Ft Worth etc isn't a deal breaker.

I'd also add nobody is saying money = winning. BUT winning without the money for coaches and facilities is pretty hard these days.

 

[BevoBlake]

I think we can all easily agree though that the LHN wasn't necessary. Texas wasn't exactly hurting in funds prior to the LHN and they wouldn't have been had they decided to move forward without the LHN. 

 

[streettopeschel]

I think we can all easily agree though that the LHN wasn't necessary. Texas wasn't exactly hurting in funds prior to the LHN and they wouldn't have been had they decided to move forward without the LHN.

me winning the Lottery isn't necessary either and I'll be fine moving forward without it. But I damn sure wouldn't turn it down. Are you saying UT should have told ESPN thanks, but we'll pass.? Yeah, right.
But didn't Patterson claim we're losing money now? I guess we do need it.

 

[BevoBlake]

me winning the Lottery isn't necessary either and I'll be fine moving forward without it. But I damn sure wouldn't turn it down. Are you saying UT should have told ESPN thanks, but we'll pass.? Yeah, right.

But didn't Patterson claim we're losing money now? I guess we do need it.

Again, I don't think 99% of the universities out there would walk away from their own network. So I don't think any University has the right to knock Texas for the LHN. With that said, I still recognize that if we could have gotten a BIG XII network, it would have been better for our Conference brand. Something that needs a lot more work than the Longhorn brand right now.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Again, I don't think 99% of the universities out there would walk away from their own network. So I don't think any University has the right to knock Texas for the LHN. With that said, I still recognize that if we could have gotten a BIG XII network, it would have been better for our Conference brand. Something that needs a lot more work than the Longhorn brand right now.

IMO, the only things the Big12 needs for its brand and conference to survive long-term is for both UT and OU to be winning and nationally relevant. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening for both short-term. To SHA's point in the "10 Causes of the Fall of the Big12" thread, Stoops shot himself in the foot trying to take OU national.

A&M, Baylor, and TCU have all eaten into OU's Texas recruiting pipeline (and ours to a smaller extent). I don't see that changing, either, short-term. Briles and Patterson are committed to maintaining their programs. Apparently, recruits have finally noticed that Norman and OK sucks! 

Maybe the Big12 doesn't survive the next realignment wave. If not, I won't be losing any sleep. UT will find a nice home regardless. The only downside is we may have to check our egos when we're no longer the ringleader of the Pac, B1G, or SEC. Until our leadership asserts itself again, anyway.