All Things Politics Thread

[hornsups]

How is this any different than a bribe? 

Because he didn’t say you’re fines are paid with the stipulation that you vote. There is a likelihood some of these people do not vote at all. They just got their fines paid. Why wouldn’t people applaud this. Many of these people wouldn’t be able to pay those fines. They would be disenfranchised for who knows how long. They served their time. Now he’s given them the opportunity to vote in what why they see fit. It’s a bad sign for your party and views of the idea of more people being able to vote scares you. That means you’re not supporting someone who you believe people in this country overwhelmingly supports. Or your views are ones that people won’t support. I don’t care if every one is able to vote if they are 18 and a citizen. Vote. Make it a holiday. Make it as easy as possible. If you can win with everyone vote, you truly represent the will of the people. If you’re afraid that more people are voting, you’re probably trying to keep minority rule. That’s not how it should work. 

 

[DMAC]

I am pretty sure everyone applauds paying of fines but the reason behind it isn't as virtuous.

An influential 2002 study found that 73 percent of felons and ex-felons would vote Democrat

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

To review what was taken down from BLM's website -

 

[DMAC]

This was one of the pages removed

April 12th which discusses the nuclear family etc

https://web.archive.org/web/20200412161536/https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

The current site has taken it down

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

What We Believe

Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic, and political power to thrive.

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

Enraged by the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent acquittal of his killer, George Zimmerman, and inspired by the 31-day takeover of the Florida State Capitol by POWER U and the Dream Defenders, we took to the streets. A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Forever changed, we returned home and began building the infrastructure for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, which, even in its infancy, has become a political home for many.

Ferguson helped to catalyze a movement to which we’ve all helped give life. Organizers who call this network home have ousted anti-Black politicians, won critical legislation to benefit Black lives, and changed the terms of the debate on Blackness around the world. Through movement and relationship building, we have also helped catalyze other movements and shifted culture with an eye toward the dangerous impacts of anti-Blackness.

These are the results of our collective efforts.

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is as powerful as it is because of our membership, our partners, our supporters, our staff, and you. Our continued commitment to liberation for all Black people means we are continuing the work of our ancestors and fighting for our collective freedom because it is our duty.

Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.

We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.

We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another.

 

[hornsups]

I am pretty sure everyone applauds paying of fines but the reason behind it isn't as virtuous.

We don’t know the reasons or if the people will vote. But again. It’s not a bribe. And it shouldn’t be present like it’s a bad thing no matter why the fines were paid off. 32,000 people were given the chance to have a voice on who represents them. 

 

[DMAC]

We don’t know the reasons or if the people will vote. But again. It’s not a bribe. And it shouldn’t be present like it’s a bad thing no matter why the fines were paid off. 32,000 people were given the chance to have a voice on who represents them. 

You are right its not a bribe as it was with prefilling out ballots in California and paying homeless people money to sign them. 

We do not know the process on how they are doing this either.  This has been an issue for years and but 40ish days before the election Bloomberg decides to be virtuous?  Its pretty obvious they are trying to get more votes. 

My point is if 75% of ex felons voted Republican then Bloomberg would not do this.  Its not virtuous at all, its all about votes.  

 

[hornsups]

You are right its not a bribe as it was with prefilling out ballots in California and paying homeless people money to sign them. 

We do not know the process on how they are doing this either.  This has been an issue for years and but 40ish days before the election Bloomberg decides to be virtuous?  Its pretty obvious they are trying to get more votes. 

My point is if 75% of ex felons voted Republican then Bloomberg would not do this.  Its not virtuous at all, its all about votes.  

Ok. And if 75% of ex felons voted Republican and Sheldon Adelson paid the fines. Republicans wouldn’t be complaining. 

 

[DMAC]

Ok. And if 75% of ex felons voted Republican and Sheldon Adelson paid the fines. Republicans wouldn’t be complaining. 

I would be consistent man.  if the law permits them to vote then so be it.  If republicans did the same thing I would say exactly the same thing.  Call it for what it is.

 

[TexCoyote]

I would be consistent man.  if the law permits them to vote then so be it.  If republicans did the same thing I would say exactly the same thing.  Call it for what it is.

Funny you never see Republicans doing anything like this. If they did it would be all over the news stations and front page of every newspaper. You don’t see Republicans wanting mass mail in ballots either. 

 

[63_Texas_1]

This is a tool to look at a particular websites content in the past.

https://web.archive.org/

I used to use this a lot but be warned its very very slow.  The files are hosted in the archive rather than the live server.  So if anyone is interested in digging into a BLM manifesto on the site.

You can use this link to check https://web.archive.org/web/*/blacklivesmatter.com

Thank you.

 

[DMAC]

 

[drgilbert]

Please tell me this is fake

 

[DMAC]

Thank you.

I skimmed over the "what we believe" on blm page it doesnt seem that radical to me from what I saw.  i didnt read the entire thing either.

Most of the more controversial content, such as removing all prisons etc, can be found m4bl.org

Here is a paging content for each issue/demand.  I listed each below.  BLM along with many organizations are affiliated with m4bl.  So this is probably a coalition of demands from the various organizations.

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-on-black-communities/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-on-black-youth/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-black-women/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-trans/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-black-health/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-on-migrants/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-jails-prisons-detention/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-death-penalty/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-on-drugs/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-surveillance/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-pretrial-and-money-bail/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/the-demilitarization-of-law-enforcement/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-use-of-criminal-history/

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/free-em-all/

 

[63_Texas_1]

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[DMAC]

10 minutes ago, drgilbert said:

Please tell me this is fake

i wonder if they did the same for my constitutional hero Antonin Scalia?  I doubt it.

 

[DMAC]

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I dont want my tax dollars going to this.  Antifa and BLM can pay for it.  Bloomberg can help too.

 

[primal defense]

No, a Black Lives Matter Co-Founder Didn't Partner With a Pro-Communist Chinese Group




https://news.yahoo.com/no-black-lives-matter-co-141240643.html

 

[utparothed]

5 hours ago, J.B. TexasEx said:

I identify with Raylan Givens for the same reasons. My favorite TV show character. Well, him and Don Draper. #Justified

Easily one of the best shows I’ve seen!!!

 

[TexCoyote]

 

[Baron]

56 minutes ago, drgilbert said:

Please tell me this is fake

Isn't what they're doing racial or ethnic appropriation?