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A List Of OC Canidates

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Chad Morris, Clemson - Coached at Lake Travis and OSU. Could hit the ground running

Kyle Shanahan, Washington Redskins- Played at Texas

Tom Herman, Ohio State - Did a good job with Braxton Miller. Familiar with the state of Texas

Mike Yurcich, Oklahoma State - Familar with the B12

Josh Henson, Missouri - Did a good job with James Franklin

Shawn Watson, Louisville - Strongs OC at LV

Mike Norvell, Arizona State - Has followed Todd Graham throughout his career

Mike Groh, Chicago Bears - Can't really see us going this route

 
Please no on Shanahan, he may do a great job if hired. However the Texas OC should not go someone coming off a big failure. It's too big of a hire.

Kyle Shanahan, staff inexperience at core of Redskins dysfunction

Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, son of head coach Mike Shanahan, has not endeared himself to others on the staff and within Redskins Park, according to numerous team sources. According to current and former staff members, Kyle Shanahan has been granted virtual autonomy by Mike Shanahan to guide the team.

Conversations with several people within the organization have revealed a similar perception of Kyle Shanahan as someone who was empowered and enabled by his father, spending an abundance of time in his father's office, given a wide swath of power, and rubbing many people -- players, fellow coaches and members of football operations -- the wrong way. At the same time, Kyle Shanahan has been the most heavily rewarded of the team's assistant coaches, as team sources said the two-year extension Shanahan earned following the playoff run in 2012 will pay him $1.5M in 2014 alone. That's money he's almost certain to collect away from the team, with this regime widely expected to be fired after this season.

With the team in a 3-10 collapse, Robert Griffin III now inactive and the franchise in disarray, the composition of this staff has fallen under criticism, as has the work of the Shanahans in particular, with the lack of experience and pedigree on the offensive side of the ball seen as a particular problem both within the organization and outside it.

“Kyle is the head coach, it's just that no one knows he is,” said one member of the organization. “He gets whatever he wants. And he has no relationship at all with (quarterback Robert Griffin II). So how could it work?”

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As a former member of the organization put it: “Kyle bitches about everything, and then his father has to fix it. He bitches about the food in the cafeteria, he bitches about the field, he bitches about the equipment. He complains and then Mike takes care of it. Kyle is a big problem there. He is not well liked.”

Several members of the organization said Kyle Shanahan was a cause of internal strife, surrounding himself with young coaches with inferior experience, and allowing for no checks and balances of outside voices in the offensive coaching rooms.

“This is the NFL, it's not supposed to be a training ground for coaches,” said someone who has worked with Kyle Shanahan in Washington. “It's ridiculous. Look at this staff. It sucks. Mike's best buddy is (longtime Shanahan assistant and current linebackers coach Bob Slowik), and Slowik's son is in his second year out of college and he's on the staff. Everyone on the staff is in his first or second year except for Mike and Kyle and Haslett (defensive coordinator Jim Haslett) and Raheem (Morris, the secondary coach), and everyone knows Raheem is there because he is close with Kyle. Those two go way back.

“Kyle's not that confident, so they set him up with a bunch of yes men rather than have some experienced coaches to push him. It's like Kyle is the pied piper and these kids just follow him around. I mean, Mike has been a head coach for 20 years -- usually a guy like that has a posse he can bring with him. So he's got Bobby Turner (running backs coach) here, and Slowik, and that's it. How does that happen? How does he end up hiring all of his son's buddies?

“What Mike has allowed to happen there, with that staff, there is no excuse for. There are guys on that staff who are just not qualified, and it shows up. Have you seen the quarterback develop? Look at (defensive ends Brian) Orakpo and (Ryan) Kerrigan? Are they progressing or regressing? Are you seeing the offensive lineman they drafted making it to the field?' How many players are getting the kind of NFL coaching you'd expect on that staff?”

The Redskins have had a succession of first-time wide receivers coaches on this staff, and the offensive staff has generally been devoid of experience other than Turner. Most of the offensive staff had less than two years of NFL experience before coming to Washington and even in those cases the two years weren't as actual position coaches, but as offensive assistants and low-level help.

Quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur worked with Kyle Shanahan in Houston and had only two years experience as an “offensive assistant” with the Texans prior to becoming the Redskins QB coach. Similarly, receivers coach Mike McDaniel was a lower-level assistant on the Texans staff before coming to Washington. Tight ends coach Sean McVay's only prior NFL experience to joining Washington came in 2008 as an offensive assistant in Tampa.

“McVay is really the only one of those kids qualified to do what he's doing,” said one member of the organization.

Several members of the Redskins traveling party were perturbed, when, following a win at Dallas on Thanksgiving 2012, Kyle Shanahan and several of his assistants were hollering loudly, crowing and alluding to Cowboys' coach Jason Garrett's job security on the team bus (hooting how they might get him fired) while heading to the airport after the win. The Redskins were just 5-6 themselves at the time and, according to sources, one member of the staff actually told them to “shut up” and diffused the staff.

Furthermore, Kyle Shanahan has long had a very strained relationship with Griffin, sources said, with one staff member saying Shanahan treats Griffin like, “a JV quarterback.”

“Kyle knows ball, but he is just so petty and he picks fights and holds grudges over small stuff,” the source said. “He's a mountain out of a molehill guy, and he's got entitlement syndrome. That's why we ended up hiring all of his close friends and buddies, so no one can challenge him. But it makes you worse in the long run, because there is no accountability. Ultimately, it's his father's fault for pacifying his son.”

Kyle Shanahan had a good run as a member of Gary Kubiak's staff in Houston -- Kubiak was a longtime assistant to Mike Shanahan -- and with the Redskins crumbling, he could end up finding a spot under Kubiak elsewhere if Washington owner Dan Snyder makes major changes as expected (Kubiak was fired as Texans coach last week). But it has long been clear to many people in various corridors of the Redskins' organization that the pair of Mike Shanahan, with his son running the offense, in Washington, has been a doomed combination. Especially within the construct of the lack of other strong voices on the offensive side of the ball, and that nepotism has served to hinder, rather than help, the growth of this franchise and the development of RGIII.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24375961/kyle-shanahan-staff-inexperience-at-core-of-redskins-dysfunction

 
I like the top five in the list. My personal list would be Chad Morris, Tom Herman and Josh Henson. Henson killed is as a recruiting coordinator as LSU.

Edit: Except for maybe Kyle Shanahan now.

 
Yeah not a glowing endorsement of Shanahan. He most certainly should never work with his dad again.

 
If Strong is wanting Watson on the staff a guy like Henson makes sense. Henson was the co-OL/TE coach for Mizzou in addition to OC. Also coached TEs at LSU.

That would allow Strong to bring Watson in as a co-OC/QB. And bring Wickline in. Henson would be co-OC/TE/play-caller.

Or could allow for Major to stay on as QB coach.

I think this is part of the reason we aren't hearing anything definitive on position coaches. Seems like there are a few ways this could play out.

 
If Strong is wanting Watson on the staff a guy like Henson makes sense. Henson was the co-OL/TE coach for Mizzou in addition to OC. Also coached TEs at LSU.
That would allow Strong to bring Watson in as a co-OC/QB. And bring Wickline in. Henson would be co-OC/TE/play-caller.

Or could allow for Major to stay on as QB coach.

I think this is part of the reason we aren't hearing anything definitive on position coaches. Seems like there are a few ways this could play out.
Boom!

 
Is that list definite? I think a guy like Dodge should be considered. Same pedigree as Malzhan and Morris, plus he's an ex.

 
Is that list definite? I think a guy like Dodge should be considered. Same pedigree as Malzhan and Morris, plus he's an ex.
That is an excellent question why Dodge has never been asked to come 'home' is Riley still on staff?

 
Isn't Mike Norvell off limits due to Patterson's former employment at ASU? I thought he couldn't sign any employees of ASU?

 
I've always thought it was interesting to get more than one opinion regarding different things. It's somewhat amazing that you can most always find something printed to support most any position you want to take.

Redskins liked Kyle Shanahan's offense

ASHBURN, Va. -- As he headed to and from the Redskins' facility, carrying personal belongings, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan allowed that he was at peace. He, and seven other Redskins assistants, were fired Monday along with head coach Mike Shanahan.

Not only did Kyle Shanahan exit with personal ware, he also left with his confidence. After six seasons as an NFL offensive coordinator, Shanahan remains upbeat about what he's accomplished -- and about where he's still headed. He should: The Redskins finished in the top 10 in total yards for the second consecutive year. And it's the fourth time in his six seasons as an offensive coordinator that his offenses ended up in the top 10 in total yards.

Kyle Shanahan's offense finished in the top 10 for two straight seasons.

"I'm pretty confident in myself," Shanahan said, when asked last week where he felt he stood as a play caller. "I feel good about myself as far as I think I'm good at what I do. I'm really trying hard not to brag on myself, I'm just trying to answer your question honestly that I'm confident in what I've done and I'm confident in my future. ... I'll continue to do a good job."

Shanahan was not the only offensive assistant fired. Quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur and receivers coach Mike McDaniel also were told they would not be retained. Offensive assistant Richmond Flowers also was let go.

But Shanahan is the one the players will miss most.

One opposing defensive coach, who faced the Redskins within the past two seasons, called Shanahan an "above average coordinator" who could be outstanding with the right head coach. His flaws, according to this coach: managing the game and play calling in critical situations. Other complaints over the years: he threw the ball too often and sometimes got too cute with his play calls.

But the Redskins moved the ball under Shanahan. They finished among the top 10 in total yards in consecutive years for the first time since 1991, the last of six straight years in the top 10. The problem is that Washington went from fourth in points per game a year ago to 23 this season. The No. 4 ranking in points in 2012 marked the only time Washington has finished in the top 10 since 1999.

"I liked Kyle's work ethic, his attention to detail," tight end Logan Paulsen said. "You know how in chess you play someone who is really good and they can see a couple moves ahead. I always felt he could do that. ... One thing I remember is talking to [tight ends coach Sean McVay] and said, ‘Why don't we just run this?' He said, ‘It doesn't have answers if you get into a bad coverage.' But the thing about Kyle and his staff they worked very hard to make sure every play has an answer so you never in an awful look."

Since 2000, the Redskins have been mostly dreadful on offense when it comes to scoring -- despite offensive-minded head coaches in Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs, Jim Zorn and Mike Shanahan. They've ranked 25th or worse in terms of scoring seven times since 2001 and 20th or worse 11 times. They ranked 13th in points per game in 2005, the next best finish after 2012.

"It's well put together," quarterback Rex Grossman said. "When he gets in a rhythm he's the best in the NFL. You can feel it as a player and it allows you to have success. ... If you're not in the right look, you do have answers so you don't feel stuck, which is a good thing and it's hard to coordinate."

Fullback Darrel Young said, "I respect everything he did for me, this team and this offense. All the people that criticized him, we still had Alfred [Morris] as one of the top 10 rushers in the league."

But Shanahan did not earn the complete trust of quarterback Robert Griffin III. And there is this matter: The Redskins finished 24-40 under the Mike Shanahan regime. In a bottom line business, that's the number that jumps out.

"You don't have a good record and that starts with myself as much as anybody else," Kyle Shanahan said last week. "The ultimate goal is wins."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/110625/redskins-liked-kyle-shanahans-offense

 
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That is an excellent question why Dodge has never been asked to come 'home' is Riley still on staff?
I thought Riley was at A&M as a QB coach...somewhere along the line Todd must have had his nose bent out of shape, because he didnt point any of his Southlake Carroll QB's toward Austin (Chase Daniel, Greg McElroy, Riley) the last SLC stud that I can remember coming to UT was Tre Newton, and his FB career was cut short by injury...He is currently coaching at Marble Falls HS,I think..

 
Sounds very much like Cliff and Deron Gustafson.

Major should not be within 100 miles of Strong's program.

 
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Please no on Shanahan, he may do a great job if hired. However the Texas OC should not go someone coming off a big failure. It's too big of a hire.


Kyle Shanahan, staff inexperience at core of Redskins dysfunction
Read the post with opposite story.

One pissed off janitor could have been the inside source.

Take what's written with a grain of salt. Take what someone says from his personal "insider" with 1/2 a grain.

At most.

 
Shanahan isn't at the heart of the dysfunction, much like Dallas, the owner is the dysfunction.

 
Is that list definite? I think a guy like Dodge should be considered. Same pedigree as Malzhan and Morris, plus he's an ex.
This is actually a pretty good idea

 
So this is a little odd -- according to Longhorn Scott -

Shanahan was best friends with Chris Simms when the two were at Texas and Shanahan has Sims' initials tattooed on his ankle
Which was backed up by this quote of Papa Simms talking about the tat --

“Oh my gosh,†Phil Simms said, when asked for his reaction to that tattoo. “I can’t even tell you what I said. I said one day, you’re gonna be going man, that was a dumb moment when we went down there and got that done. But yes, I’ve seen it and it’s still there, and he’s got a picture of a Longhorn on his leg too. It is what it is. They are good friends. I know he respects Kyle tremendously as a coach.â€
 
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