2022 Recruiting Board/Thread

[TexCoyote]

Bill was special. Somehow starting from scratch, he became a hall of fame coach recruiting players to play football in Manhattan Kansas, right next to Dorothy's house near Bumf**k Egypt. Please don't try to convince me how hard recruiting at UT in Austin is. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Snyder

"Kansas State had a cumulative record of 299–510 (.370) in 93 years of play, which was easily the most losses of any team in Division I-A at the time. The school had been to only one bowl game (the 1982 Independence Bowl), had not won a conference title since 1934 and had enjoyed four winning seasons in the previous 44 years (including two in the previous 34 years). The program had also not won a game since October 26, 1986, going 0–26–1 in that time.

During the 1998 season, Kansas State posted an undefeated 11–0 regular season and earned its first number 1 ranking in the national polls, just ten years after being named the worst program in the country by Sports Illustrated

Hall of Fame football coach Barry Switzer once stated, "He's not the coach of the year, he's not the coach of the decade, he's the coach of the century."[12]"

One thing I think Bill did is use the juco route to interject talent quicker.  He knew, I think,  that he wasn’t going to be able to strictly recruit high kids and be able to turn it around that way.  
We’re seeing teams use the portal now to get better faster. Pittman has done that at Arkansas.  Hardly won any games the last couple of years but then manhandle Texas and Texas A&M.  They’ve leveled off a little bit but he’s made them way better….. especially across both lines of scrimmage.  There are other teams that have done this as well but they came to mind.  They’re paying these staffs so much money nowadays that the administrations want to see improvement quickly.  If you aren’t moving forward, you’re getting passed.  
 

Let’s Go Beat Baylor ????

 

[Johnny Depp]

One thing I think Bill did is use the juco route to interject talent quicker.  He knew, I think,  that he wasn’t going to be able to strictly recruit high kids and be able to turn it around that way.  
We’re seeing teams use the portal now to get better faster. Pittman has done that at Arkansas.  Hardly won any games the last couple of years but then manhandle Texas and Texas A&M.  They’ve leveled off a little bit but he’s made them way better….. especially across both lines of scrimmage.  There are other teams that have done this as well but they came to mind.  They’re paying these staffs so much money nowadays that the administrations want to see improvement quickly.  If you aren’t moving forward, you’re getting passed.  
 

Let’s Go Beat Baylor ????

Exactly, the portal is all the rage, no one focused on Juco anymore, or ever was. Cam Newton was right under everyone's noses at Blinn in  Brenham with the #1 Juco team and no one from the 40 acres went after him. Even after seeing what Vince did. And we pay multi millions of dollars for this out of our coaches.

https://247sports.com/Player/Cam-Newton-2495/junior-college-18134/

 

[TexCoyote]

Exactly, the portal is all the rage, no one focused on Juco anymore, or ever was. Cam Newton was right under everyone's noses at Blinn in  Brenham with the #1 Juco team and no one from the 40 acres went after him. Even after seeing what Vince did. And we pay multi millions of dollars for this out of our coaches.

https://247sports.com/Player/Cam-Newton-2495/junior-college-18134/

I get it that Texas didn’t have to go that route back then.  Mack would get 7 out of the top 10 players in the state of Texas.  Jucos are taking a big chance that Mack didn’t have to take.  Snyder did have to take that chance.  Fast forward to today and recruiting is totally different.  Nobody is going to get 7 of the top 10 in Texas anymore.  Kids will go to Ohio St, Oregon, Michigan, Bama, Clemson without batting an eye anymore.  Bag Men? Probably.  I have said numerous times, you have to go Nation wide if you want to win nowadays….. because all the top teams are.  Sark is doing that is one reason why I’m jumping off the nearest bridge yet.  You better be hitting every avenue in today’s times are you are going to get passed. 

 

[TFloss32]

Exactly, the portal is all the rage, no one focused on Juco anymore, or ever was. Cam Newton was right under everyone's noses at Blinn in  Brenham with the #1 Juco team and no one from the 40 acres went after him. Even after seeing what Vince did. And we pay multi millions of dollars for this out of our coaches.

https://247sports.com/Player/Cam-Newton-2495/junior-college-18134/

Mack didn't recruit JUCO at that point.

He was too worried about them qualifying, or staying eligible once they arrived.

 

[utparothed]

Conan was huge waste of time.

Tell that to him…

 

[NEOkHorn]

With all the talk of talent level currently at Texas and in recent years, the 1 item that seems to be the most glaring failure to me has been the lack of development. According to many of the star rating systems, Texas has recruited talent. Unfortunately, the previous two regimes appeared unable to develop that talent into star players once they reached campus. It has yet to be determined if the current staff will be able to do any better. Without development, the highest of stars will quickly fade. 

Another note toward some who question the speed at which Sark has been able to implement his system and attain success; it has always been said that the greatest jump in development happens from year 1 to year 2. If that is indeed true, there should be much more noticeable improvement in many areas next season. While I'm not the most patient person, after waiting more than a decade now to experience sustained Texas success, one more year is not going to be all that difficult for me. Just one man's thoughts and opinions.

 

[Captain Hookem]

Mack didn't recruit JUCO at that point.

He was too worried about them qualifying, or staying eligible once they arrived.

When you get almost all the recruits you want, there's not much reason to go juco route.

Still, pretty sure Mack was against taking them. Remember some discussions about that back then. He didn't like playing underclassmen and to him juco's would only ever be one. 

 

[Captain Hookem]

Bill was special. Somehow starting from scratch, he became a hall of fame coach recruiting players to play football in Manhattan Kansas, right next to Dorothy's house near Bumf**k Egypt. Please don't try to convince me how hard recruiting at UT in Austin is. 

You are banned from acting like a Snyder fan. He didn't have a winning record until Year 5, and you barely wanted to give Sark 5 games. 

 

[UTfish]

it has always been said that the greatest jump in development happens from year 1 to year 2. If that is indeed true, there should be much more noticeable improvement in many areas next season

We were only out of one game this year, so far, Sark's second game and with an inexperienced quarterback. Next 2 losses were by one score. It wouldn't take much improvement to be 6 and 1 or 7 and 0.

It's the way the last 2 games were lost that has us all butt hurt. 

 

[TFloss32]

I would be terrified if I was on defense.

 

[Johnny Depp]

You are banned from acting like a Snyder fan. He didn't have a winning record until Year 5, and you barely wanted to give Sark 5 games. 

It's HOW you lose. Let's see if a Shark can change it's stripes? The bar in K-State was a good bit lower, they were just happy someone took the job.?

 

[Johnny Depp]

37 minutes ago, TFloss32 said:

I would be terrified if I was on defense.

The Fridge. So many creative ways to play this game.

 

[Johnny Depp]

I get it that Texas didn’t have to go that route back then.  Mack would get 7 out of the top 10 players in the state of Texas.  Jucos are taking a big chance that Mack didn’t have to take.  Snyder did have to take that chance.  Fast forward to today and recruiting is totally different.  Nobody is going to get 7 of the top 10 in Texas anymore.  Kids will go to Ohio St, Oregon, Michigan, Bama, Clemson without batting an eye anymore.  Bag Men? Probably.  I have said numerous times, you have to go Nation wide if you want to win nowadays….. because all the top teams are.  Sark is doing that is one reason why I’m jumping off the nearest bridge yet.  You better be hitting every avenue in today’s times are you are going to get passed. 

If I was Mack and Texas still today, I'd be looking for the 1st clone of Vince I could find, Cam, Vick, Winston, Griffin, Manziel or whoever. Get 2 or 3 of them and plan on them getting hurt and shuffling in the next one.

 Mack never knew what to do with Vince, a square peg in a round hole. He finally got out of his way.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Mack didn't recruit JUCO at that point.

He was too worried about them qualifying, or staying eligible once they arrived.

He shouldn't have been too worried with "the fixer" on his staff. When Clem was booted, Mack wasn't far behind him. There was a lot of disinfectant needed around those offices.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Not my argument, and haven’t read much of it but I’d like to interject if I may.  
 

im referring strictly to OL at the moment too, so keep that in mind.  I can kinda see what he’s saying.  Until you win on the big stages (RRS) and don’t soil the sheets at home (OkSt) you’re not going to draw the big time guys that we need to take the next step.  The biggest need is OL.  What are we struggling to recruit, OL.  This game is won/lost in the trenches.  When your hopes are on a 6th year guy finally having the light bulb turn on, you’ve got problems.  
 

Your playing with a deck of cards that few would expect you to. Who thought we'd beat OU before the season started? Most thought we'd lose to OSU as well.

So there's really nothing new under the sun here. I think we all thought we'd beat Arkansas. That could be called unexpected I suppose.

But we're a year removed from Rice being a close game. Beating Tech in the final seconds. Losing to TCU, again, at their place.

I don't think things are as bad as we think they are, honestly. We more or less expected to be right where we are and a lot of people are pitching fits about it.

Yeah, there's some woulda, shoulda, coulda which is normal. It hurts to know we could have beat OU and didn't. It hurts to watch it happen again at home against the OSU.

When we said we expected to have 3-4 losses, it was for the very reasons we're seeing right now. Bad OL. LB room short on quality and depth. etc.,

I will say though that I'm convinced the Baylor game will determine a lot about this season and how we look at ourselves.

The point I was trying to make though, in the post you quote, was that it was circular logic, much like a hamster in a cage running the wheel. He runs and repeats the same thing but never goes anywhere. You can't use that logic and apply it to humans or even a collection of humans.

 

[TexCoyote]

If I was Mack and Texas still today, I'd be looking for the 1st clone of Vince I could find, Cam, Vick, Winston, Griffin, Manziel or whoever. Get 2 or 3 of them and plan on them getting hurt and shuffling in the next one.

 Mack never knew what to do with Vince, a square peg in a round hole. He finally got out of his way.

Oh I’m sure they’re looking but unfortunately those kind are really hard to find and if you do 130 other teams are wanting him too

 

[Johnny Depp]

Oh I’m sure they’re looking but unfortunately those kind are really hard to find and if you do 130 other teams are wanting him too

Texas never attempted to go back to what won the title, McCoy was a poor man's Vince and Sam wasn't in the same league. 

 I'm not looking for a Tebow type, but it's hard to forget the ass whoopings we took from Collin Klein and K-State. That might not get you a pro career, but it can damn sure win some games.

 I can't help but wonder what Roshon could do.

 

[Baron]

 I can't help but wonder what Roshon could do.

That ship has sailed. Even RoJo admitted as much last summer.

 

[Johnny Depp]

When we said we expected to have 3-4 losses,

 Who is this we?

 

[Johnny Depp]

That ship has sailed. Even RoJo admitted as much last summer.

That was before we realized any QB would have zero security in the pocket. It's past time to adapt.

This team bailed on Sherrod Heard after he broke Vince's record. Sometimes I think the big cigars call all the shots.