2017 Recruiting Thread Part 1

[ah-blong]

all signs suggest buckley is a good player and good nab.

couple things here.  one, rankings shouldn't enter our discussions unless we're talking the lists we think charlie and his gang seem to be keeping.  charlie has never used the services to pick his players.

two, for both sides of the ball on regular downs we are recruiting to scheme.  that means there are excellent players who won't show up on our radar.

the old days of one-size-fits-all recruiting news is deader than dead.  keeping up with recruiting is complicated and subtle.  easy analysis is no analysis at all.  whatever the word is for less than worthless, that's what it is.

 

[TeamMayhall]

I give zero sh!ts about what an aggy is doing in recruiting

 

[ah-blong]

zero sh!ts

you said it better than i did.

 

[DMAC]

I give zero sh!ts about what an aggy is doing in recruiting

Thanks for posting what I was thinking

 

[utisdabomb12]

all signs suggest buckley is a good player and good nab.

couple things here.  one, rankings shouldn't enter our discussions unless we're talking the lists we think charlie and his gang seem to be keeping.  charlie has never used the services to pick his players.

two, for both sides of the ball on regular downs we are recruiting to scheme.  that means there are excellent players who won't show up on our radar.

the old days of one-size-fits-all recruiting news is deader than dead.  keeping up with recruiting is complicated and subtle.  easy analysis is no analysis at all.  whatever the word is for less than worthless, that's what it is.

Buckley is a decent player, but a bad take at this point in the cycle. Jones, Wallace, Miller, Shavers, Manning, Reagor, Netherly, Rambo, Edebo, Lamb, and Estell are all better WRs in just Texas alone. I'm not hating on the kid, it's just the truth. 

Every Longhorn site reported that Buckley's offer wasn't commitable, and that was before we signed Duvernay. Buckley was likely headed to Iowa unless he received a power 5 type offer from an in state school. Which is why he jumped on A&M's offer so soon. 

Buckley could very well end up an elite player in college. Players develop and there's always guys that surprise. A&M offering someone like Buckley is nothing more than desperation for momentum though. Buckley is the type player you slow play until the end of the cycle, A&M could land him whenever they wanted. 

 

[utisdabomb12]

I give zero sh!ts about what an aggy is doing in recruiting

Unfortunately, aggy recruiting directly relates to Texas recruiting. If you don't follow what other schools are doing in the state you probably don't have a good grasp of what's happening at Texas.

For instance, A&M offering and going after Buckley most likely means they don't have a great shot with Damion Miller (a current Longhorn commit). Stuff that happens at TCU, Baylor, and A&M all relates to Texas. 

 

[ah-blong]

Buckley could very well end up an elite player in college.

i don't know that this statement is in reference to my post, but - for the record - i never suggested buckley is or may become an elite player.  i just dunno about that.  all signs suggest, however, that he is a good player and a good catch for wherever he ends up playing.

my points remain, intact.  not in tact, though.  to my knowledge i've never been known to have a fit of tact.

 

[primal defense]

Baylor scandal leads to unprecedented recruiting windfall for Texas

Recruiting tends to lend itself to surreal situations.

There was the time Jonathon Colon signed letters of intent with Florida and Miami in 2000, Cyrus Kouandjio gave us an unforgettable moment during an ESPNU signing day broadcast in 20011 when he announced for Auburn but later ended up signing with Alabama, and there have been hundreds of other what-just happened-moments along the way.

But what transpired in the Lone Star State this June, seems almost unprecedented.

In less than a month, Baylor’s historic top-20 recruiting class crumbled after Art Briles was fired in response to a scathing review of the university’s handling of sexual assault allegations made against several football players. In the end, five players from the Bears’ best class in school history were released from national letters of intents, and in another twist, it was also discovered No. 3 receiver Devin Duvernay’s signing wasn’t valid after the school failed to submit the paperwork to the Big 12.

Waiting to pick up the pieces of Baylor’s crumbling class were Charlie Strong and the Texas Longhorns.

First Strong reeled in Duvernay, and then ESPN 300 offensive lineman J.P. Urquidez and three-star athlete Donovan Duvernay announced they were also heading to Austin. But the biggest piece fell into place when Patrick Hudson, the top-ranked offensive guard and No. 56 player in the country, committed and signed a financial aid agreement with Texas on Wednesday.

ESPN 300 offensive lineman Patrick Hudson could see early playing time with Texas. Miller Safrit/ESPN

Landing Hudson was a rather significant feat, because he made an official visit to Oklahoma last weekend and Texas A&M was pushing him hard to visit College Station. But when you combine Hudson’s recruitment with all the others that had to be courted again, nothing in the modern era of recruiting matches what Texas was able to accomplish.

“This will go down in the history books as one of the best recruiting jobs ever,†a rival Big 12 assistant coach said. “I know some people will say, ‘It’s just Texas. That’s what they’re supposed to do.’ But that would diminish what Charlie and his guys did here. To say it’s unprecedented might be an understatement.â€

Texas was already one of the nation’s top stories on signing day after picking up ESPN 300 players Jeffrey McCulloch, Brandon Jones, Jordan Elliott, Chris Daniels, Erick Fowler and Marcel Southall and finishing with the 10th-ranked class. Now the Longhorns are the story of the summer with four former Baylor signees bolstering their class to include 15 members of the ESPN 300.

“It has to be one of the top five classes in the country after this,†another Big 12 assistant said. “Texas was what everybody talked about on signing day, and now we’re talking about them again this summer over and over. It’s this type of attention that will help them with the 2017 and 2018 classes, too. They’ll surely get a bump after this amazing run.â€

The summer additions were also big for the Longhorns because they come at key positions of need.

Anybody that watched Texas last season knew help up front on the offensive line and more offensive playmakers were needed. With Hudson, the Longhorns get one of the most physically developed interior linemen to come out of Texas in a while. One SEC recruiter described Hudson as a “plug and play kid†wherever he landed, and Urquidez also has the potential to see the field quickly. Devin Duvernay is the fastest-recruit in the country with his 10.27-second 100-meter dash time, and new offensive coordinator Sterlin Gilbert has to be licking his chops thinking of the different ways he’ll be able to use that speed in Texas’ spread attack.

“Looking at what Texas did, it wasn’t how many stars they had next to their name, it was what positions they landed them at,†a third Big 12 assistant said. “They got two really good offensive linemen, and Duvernay is a difference-maker at receiver and will be a threat on special teams. They’ll probably get three immediate starters out of this deal, and that’s what makes this situation like something I’ve never seen before.â€

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/113074/baylor-scandal-leads-to-unprecedented-recruiting-windfall-for-texas

 

[Mitch Lovell]

Kennedale (TX) LB Baron Browning (@baronbrwnng) tells me he'll attend #Texas UTL event on the 23rd. Originally planned to visit #OhioState.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I would not be upset about the Buckley to aggy thing. Buckley is a decent receiver but his ceiling isn't that much higher. As utisdabomb has said, there are PLENTY of other, better options.

Plus, given that we are loaded at WR and just took on a Baylor WR refugee, we will have to be very picky with the one or two WRs we get this cycle.

Buckley tried to commit to Texas a couple months back. Texas, given the new OC, would not back up the offer from Watson's time. We told him we'd stay in touch.

Bottom line, Buckley wasn't a hot topic among Texas schools. The two main schools he liked were slow playing him (UT, TCU). And when you see Texas is talking so often to other WR recruits, you probably feel you have to do something. Texas was likely never going to offer Buckley.

Let aggy celebrate. They can win all the recruiting battles they want for the next several months. But when January arrives, the winning will start meaning something. And we all know who wins in January.

 

[TeamMayhall]

 

[utisdabomb12]

I would not be upset about the Buckley to aggy thing. Buckley is a decent receiver but his ceiling isn't that much higher. As utisdabomb has said, there are PLENTY of other, better options.

Plus, given that we are loaded at WR and just took on a Baylor WR refugee, we will have to be very picky with the one or two WRs we get this cycle.

Buckley tried to commit to Texas a couple months back. Texas, given the new OC, would not back up the offer from Watson's time. We told him we'd stay in touch.

Bottom line, Buckley wasn't a hot topic among Texas schools. The two main schools he liked were slow playing him (UT, TCU). And when you see Texas is talking so often to other WR recruits, you probably feel you have to do something. Texas was likely never going to offer Buckley.

Let aggy celebrate. They can win all the recruiting battles they want for the next several months. But when January arrives, the winning will start meaning something. And we all know who wins in January.

The addition of Duvernay most likely changed the WR board for Texas in '17. It wouldn't surprise me if Texas just takes a couple WRs now in '17. 

The other thing is Texas only has 11 scholarship SRs and are now at the 85 scholarship limit. Which means at the moment, Texas only has 11 scholarships to give. There's going to have to be substantial attrition next year for Texas to even get to 20 scholarships in '17. There will obviously be some attrition, but this is most likely going to be a small class for Texas in '17. 

Texas should be taking quality vs quantity at this point. 

 

[oldhorn2]

I read a long report from Ketch that shows Texas has averaged 10 plus guys each year as leaving the program, so attrition will "take a load off" of the tight scholarship situation. That is a big deal since we have so few graduating for the next several years.

 

[utisdabomb12]

I read a long report from Ketch that shows Texas has averaged 10 plus guys each year as leaving the program, so attrition will "take a load off" of the tight scholarship situation. That is a big deal since we have so few graduating for the next several years.

I think there will be natural attrition like there is at every program across the country, I just don't think there will be as much as there was in year 1 and 2 under Strong. The roster is starting to fill up with Strong's players. The majority of guys that were dismissed, transferred, and retired were Mack guys.

From what I recall, the only Strong player that's been on campus and is now gone is Cherry. There will obviously be more of Strong's players that will eventually be gone for whatever reason, but I think attrition is fixing to level off a little bit. 

 

[oldhorn2]

I am not so sure Bomb...Strong is getting a lot of top fligh tguys...i.e. errbody....as the depth chart starts to firm up, good players that wont be starters may start looking around....Locksley and maybe Heard come to mind....

 

[texbound]

I could see R. Newsome, G. Grey, Oliver, Cuney, A. Anderson, Elijah Rodriguez,definitely Kai Locksley and maybe even Deandre McNeal.  The WR corps would take a hit on depth, but I think the starters will be any combination of Burt, Foremen, Johnson, and Duverney.  Primary backups this year are a combination of Joe, Leonard, Warrick and maybe Newsome or McNeal.  in 2017 i could see the backups being Joe, Leonard, Miller, Mapps, Hunphrey (unless he slides to TE) and Curtis.  I just think Newsome and McNeal could be passed up and could see them transferring.

 

[CharcoalPuppy]

I could see R. Newsome, G. Grey, Oliver, Cuney, A. Anderson, Elijah Rodriguez,definitely Kai Locksley and maybe even Deandre McNeal.  The WR corps would take a hit on depth, but I think the starters will be any combination of Burt, Foremen, Johnson, and Duverney.  Primary backups this year are a combination of Joe, Leonard, Warrick and maybe Newsome or McNeal.  in 2017 i could see the backups being Joe, Leonard, Miller, Mapps, Hunphrey (unless he slides to TE) and Curtis.  I just think Newsome and McNeal could be passed up and could see them transferring.

I think Jake Oliver might actually get playing time this year with the new offense.  

 

[java]

The most likely reason a Strong player will leave is a high grade in the NFL draft. I suspect we will see many of those stay for their Senior year.

Hook 'em!

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Why Oklahoma is winning the recruiting battle in DFW (with Texas Tech gaining ground)

So far, Oklahoma has done the best job of recruiting the Dallas area for the Class of 2017 in football. OU has received commitments from five local players, and they're all four-star recruits, according to 247Sports.com.
McKinney Boyd offensive lineman Tyrese Robinson is OU's top recruit in the 247Sports national rankings, coming in at No. 74. He is the fifth-ranked recruit from the Dallas area.
Oklahoma's other four-star recruits are Mesquite Horn quarterback Chris Robison, Southlake Carroll defensive back Robert Barnes, Waxahachie wide receiver Jalen Reagor and Cedar Hill wide receiver Charleston Rambo.
OU has the same number of Dallas-area recruits as Texas (two), Texas A&M (two) and TCU (one) combined, and all of UT's and A&M's local pledges are three-star recruits, according to 247Sports. DeSoto quarterback Shawn Robinson, a four-star recruit, is the only local player to commit to TCU.
Texas Tech has also received commitments from five Dallas-area players, with Frisco offensive lineman Jack Anderson -- ranked No. 3 in the area and No. 47 nationally -- the only four-star recruit. Tech has four pledges who are three-star recruits: Frisco offensive lineman Dawson Deaton, Arlington Oakridge wide receiver Bronson Boyd, Plano East offensive lineman Casey Verhulst and Birdville offensive lineman Jared Hocker.
Three of the area's top four recruits are uncommitted. South Grand Prairie defensive back Jeffrey Okudah is No. 1 in the area and No. 5 nationally, Kennedale linebacker Baron Browning is No. 2 locally and No. 8 nationally, and Plano East linebacker Anthony Hines is No. 4 in the area and No. 72 on the national list.
Here are other colleges that have recruited well locally:
Iowa: Has received commitments from Wylie East running back Eno Benjamin (four-star), Flower Mound Marcus defensive back Matt Hankins (three-star) and Justin Northwest wide receiver Gavin Holmes (three-star).
Kansas: Four local players with a three-star rating have committed to Kansas -- Frisco Independence running back Dominic Williams, Mesquite Horn wide receiver Reggie Roberson, Arlington Lamar linebacker Kyron Johnson and McKinney defensive back Akayleb Evans.
SMU: It has five committed players from the Dallas area, but Keller Timber Creek offensive lineman Alan Ali (three-star) and Lancaster defensive lineman Noah Jones (three-star) are the only players rated higher than two stars.
Colorado: Three players with three-star rankings have committed: DeSoto wide receiver Laviska Shenault, Cedar Hill wide receiver Jaylon Jackson and Denton athlete Chris Miller.
Oklahoma State: It has a trio of three-star pledges: Forney linebacker Brendan Vaughn, Keller defensive lineman Spencer Misko and Dallas Christian defensive back Kris McCune.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/high-school/high-schools/2016/07/03/oklahoma-winning-recruiting-battle-dallas-area-texas-tech-close-behind

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Pre-trial date set for A&M signee charged with felony robbery

A signee in Texas A&M's 2016 signing class will soon find out how he's spending his summer.
Converse Judson defensive end Alton Robinson will have a pre-trial hearing on July 13th for a second-degree felony robbery charge, according to a Bexar County District Court.
Robinson, a 6-foot-3 standout for the San Antonio-area school, was arrested and charged just a few weeks after he signed with the Aggies.
A female told investigators that on Feb. 9, Robinson stole her cell phone after he ripped her purse away and caused her to fall, according to the arrest affidavit. The female also alleged a similar incident occurred in May 2015.
The pre-trial hearing was originally set for July 5 but was pushed back. The pre-trial hearing will determine if the case will be dropped, settled or subject to further prosecution. If found guilty, Robinson could face between two and 20 years in prison.
Robinson was rated the state's 71st-best recruit by 247Sports.com's composite ranking. He signed with A&M over Texas and also held offers from Baylor, Michigan and Houston, according to 247Sports.
Phillip Perez, Robinson's lawyer, declined to comment on the case.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/texasamaggies/2016/07/01/pre-trial-date-set-am-signee-charged-felony-robbery