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2015 Recruiting Season is in full swing

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Now I'm confused. I thought whoevers gear he wore the second day would be the one he picked. Now I'm lost.

I do hope we get this guy but it is hard for me to get overly excited in the way he is handling this recruitment.  I don't get the clothes routine. I'm not conviced that he is going to be the type of player in college like he has been in high school.

 
I do hope we get this guy but it is hard for me to get overly excited in the way he is handling this recruitment. I don't get the clothes routine. I'm not conviced that he is going to be the type of player in college like he has been in high school.
Point of interest: don't forget SHA concussion commentary regarding Malik and risk of more to come. However, just think about how many concussions any recruit has had that were potentially not reported or correctly diagnosed. Hell, I had 2 playing soccer in highschool which ruined my professional career playing for Manchester United....ok I made the last part up, but got you interested right?

 
People who are claiming aggy is doing so well in recruiting because they are paying players is foolish and sounding like the aggys during the Mack Brown era. Since Sumlin took over at aggy, there has been absolutely zero evidence offered that aggy is offering any prohibited benefits, including financial payments. Not even the flimsiest evidence of any such behavior. None of us has truthfully seen any evidence of improper benefits being given to aggy recruits. Common sense says it is unbelievable that 18 year old kids could keep their mouths shut about being lavished with relative large sums of money. It is juvenile and foolish to make such blind accusations without any direct knowledge or any evidence. If it was going on, someone would have something to show that it is going on. Supposed insiders on this board have made claims in the past of personal knowledge of such benefits being given to aggy players. I do not believe anyone should take such accusations with a grain of salt. 

Anyone who knows me knows I am not one to rush to defend aggy. Making false and baseless accusations to detract from the fact the UT coaching staff isn't on par with they aggy staff makes the UT fanbase look small and childish. To claim someone has evidence of such wrongdoing, but that the best interests of the game dictate it should be kept secret is beyond absurd. Texas is losing out on top talent to aggy because our recruiters simply aren't as good as theirs right now. Why they are better is a subject we can argue about for hours, but it isn't because Kevin Sumlin's staff is paying players. We just need to accept the staff Charlie Strong assembled is not as good as the one Kevin Sumlin has built right now. Accept it. 
 When the aggies were talking about moving to the SEC, I was member of OB and a number of insiders who had proven to be right in the past posted part of the Gene Stallings plan was to move to the SEC  to recruit more in the line of the SEC. Of course Ketchum took it down, didn't want to fight with the Rivals aggie site.

You remember Gene Stallings former aggie player and coach and leader of the aggies going to the SEC. Gene won the national championship at Alabama and also got them on a three year probation in which they lost thirty scholarships. 

I know your not an aggie even though your post reads like it, but I do know you are anti Charlie Strong from your postings from the time he was hired. It is not a fact that the UT staff isn't on par with the aggie staff. That is your opinion. Your opinion may be correct, but it is still your opinion. 

 
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When the aggies were talking about moving to the SEC, I was member of OB and a number of insiders who had proven to be right in the past posted part of the Gene Stallings plan was to move to the SEC to recruit more in the line of the SEC. Of course Ketchum took it down, didn't want to fight with the Rivals aggie site.

You remember Gene Stallings former aggie player and coach and leader of the aggies going to the SEC. Gene won the national championship at Alabama and also got them on a three year probation in which they lost thirty scholarships.

I know your not an aggie even though your post reads like it, but I do know you are anti Charlie Strong from your postings from the time he was hired. It is not a fact that the UT staff isn't on par with the aggie staff. That is your opinion. Your opinion may be correct, but it is still your opinion.
You may "know" I am anti-Charlie Strong, but if that is your belief, you are as wrong as you can be. I'm fine with Strong. I think Watson is the wrong hire and I think Patterson needs to be removed from all responsibilities other than facilities.

My concern about Coach Strong is that he is so surrounded with inept and incompetent kleptocrats inside Bellmont that he is not being given a fair chance. The marketing staff is so inept ticket sales are setting benchmark lows. The media group supposedly supporting Coach Strong has done nothing to even try to position the program in a positive light and they are being humiliated by even the aggy media team. Outside the academic staff, I can't think of any group charged with supporting Coach Strong's efforts that should be in college athletics, let alone employed at UT.

Kids Strong is trying to recruit are so dazzled by the glitz of the aggy program that Sumlin is about to land the best defensive recruit in the state even though they have no clue who the aggy DC will be. Without a WR coach, he lands 5* WR recruits. This while since moving to the SEC, aggy has exactly zero more wins over FBS teams than Texas, Sumlin is something like 2-10 against SEC teams that ended the season ranked in the top 25 and went 3-5 in conference this past year being totally uncompetitive in the four games they lost and barely beating Arkansas  in overtime. The entire wave of glory aggy is riding is entirety attributable to aggy's scheduling FCS teams, yet aggy reigns supreme in Texas mostly because the media group in Bellmont has given up even trying to market UT football and has conceded the state to tamu.

Coach Strong can't do everything by himself and the Bellmont staff is getting its brains bashed in on almost every front by the aggys. What's worse, is Steve Patterson doesn't give a shit. His attitude, like the attitude of many fans, is that Charlie Strong has to do it all by himself by producing wins. Well, he can't. Charlie can't change the crappy game day atmosphere. Charlie can't program content for the Godzillatron. Charlie can't get the BOR to understand there need to be fresh ideas to market to young alumni. Charlie can't keep fans from being kicked off San Jacinto after the games to cater to the blue hairs who have premium parking. Most of all, Charlie can't fire incompetent Bellmont staff. He needs help and this past season proved he isn't getting much of it.

And, for the record, Gene Stallings had one year at aggy where he didn't have a losing season.

 
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You may "know" I am anti-Charlie Strong, but if that is your belief, you are as wrong as you can be. I'm fine with Strong. I think Watson is the wrong hire and I think Patterson needs to be removed from all responsibilities other than facilities.

My concern about Coach Strong is that he is so surrounded with inept and incompetent kleptocrats inside Bellmont that he is not being given a fair chance. The marketing staff is so inept ticket sales are setting benchmark lows. The media group supposedly supporting Coach Strong has done nothing to even try to position the program in a positive light and they are being humiliated by even the aggy media team. Outside the academic staff, I can't think of any group charged with supporting Coach Strong's efforts that should be in college athletics, let alone employed at UT.

Kids Strong is trying to recruit are so dazzled by the glitz of the aggy program that Sumlin is about to land the best defensive recruit in the state even though they have no clue who the aggy DC will be. Without a WR coach, he lands 5* WR recruits. This while since moving to the SEC, aggy has exactly zero more wins over FBS teams than Texas. The entire wave of glory aggy is riding is entirety attributable to aggy's scheduling FCS teams.

Coach Strong can't do everything by himself and the Bellmont staff is getting its brains bashed in on almost every front by the aggys. What's worse, is Steve Patterson doesn't give a shit. His attitude, like the attitude of many fans, is that Charlie Strong has to do it all by himself by producing wins. Well, he can't. Charlie can't change the crappy game day atmosphere. Charlie can't program content for the Godzillatron. Charlie can't get the BOR to understand there need to be fresh ideas to market to young alumni. Charlie can't keep fans from being kicked off San Jacinto after the games to cater to the blue hairs who have premium parking. Most of all, Charlie can't fire incompetent Bellmont staff. He needs help and this past season proved he isn't getting much of it.

And, for the record, Gene Stallings had one year at aggy where he didn't have a losing season.
All that and still no beer.

 
You may "know" I am anti-Charlie Strong, but if that is your belief, you are as wrong as you can be. I'm fine with Strong. I think Watson is the wrong hire and I think Patterson needs to be removed from all responsibilities other than facilities.

My concern about Coach Strong is that he is so surrounded with inept and incompetent kleptocrats inside Bellmont that he is not being given a fair chance. The marketing staff is so inept ticket sales are setting benchmark lows. The media group supposedly supporting Coach Strong has done nothing to even try to position the program in a positive light and they are being humiliated by even the aggy media team. Outside the academic staff, I can't think of any group charged with supporting Coach Strong's efforts that should be in college athletics, let alone employed at UT.

Kids Strong is trying to recruit are so dazzled by the glitz of the aggy program that Sumlin is about to land the best defensive recruit in the state even though they have no clue who the aggy DC will be. Without a WR coach, he lands 5* WR recruits. This while since moving to the SEC, aggy has exactly zero more wins over FBS teams than Texas. The entire wave of glory aggy is riding is entirety attributable to aggy's scheduling FCS teams.

Coach Strong can't do everything by himself and the Bellmont staff is getting its brains bashed in on almost every front by the aggys. What's worse, is Steve Patterson doesn't give a shit. His attitude, like the attitude of many fans, is that Charlie Strong has to do it all by himself by producing wins. Well, he can't. Charlie can't change the crappy game day atmosphere. Charlie can't program content for the Godzillatron. Charlie can't get the BOR to understand there need to be fresh ideas to market to young alumni. Charlie can't keep fans from being kicked off San Jacinto after the games to cater to the blue hairs who have premium parking. Most of all, Charlie can't fire incompetent Bellmont staff. He needs help and this past season proved he isn't getting much of it.

And, for the record, Gene Stallings had one year at aggy where he didn't have a losing season.
Come on Duke.... tell him what your really pissed off about.... Beer sales at football games.... I believe that Duke loves the Longhorns but everything concerning Texas football will not be right for him until he can go to a football game and sat down in the cheap seats and have himself a cold beer....

 
You may "know" I am anti-Charlie Strong, but if that is your belief, you are as wrong as you can be. I'm fine with Strong. I think Watson is the wrong hire and I think Patterson needs to be removed from all responsibilities other than facilities.

My concern about Coach Strong is that he is so surrounded with inept and incompetent kleptocrats inside Bellmont that he is not being given a fair chance. The marketing staff is so inept ticket sales are setting benchmark lows. The media group supposedly supporting Coach Strong has done nothing to even try to position the program in a positive light and they are being humiliated by even the aggy media team. Outside the academic staff, I can't think of any group charged with supporting Coach Strong's efforts that should be in college athletics, let alone employed at UT.

Kids Strong is trying to recruit are so dazzled by the glitz of the aggy program that Sumlin is about to land the best defensive recruit in the state even though they have no clue who the aggy DC will be. Without a WR coach, he lands 5* WR recruits. This while since moving to the SEC, aggy has exactly zero more wins over FBS teams than Texas. The entire wave of glory aggy is riding is entirety attributable to aggy's scheduling FCS teams. 

Coach Strong can't do everything by himself and the Bellmont staff is getting its brains bashed in on almost every front by the aggys. What's worse, is Steve Patterson doesn't give a shit. His attitude, like the attitude of many fans, is that Charlie Strong has to do it all by himself by producing wins. Well, he can't. Charlie can't change the crappy game day atmosphere. Charlie can't program content for the Godzillatron. Charlie can't get the BOR to understand there need to be fresh ideas to market to young alumni. Charlie can't keep fans from being kicked off San Jacinto after the games to cater to the blue hairs who have premium parking. Most of all, Charlie can't fire incompetent Bellmont staff. He needs help and this past season proved he isn't getting much of it.

And, for the record, Gene Stallings had one year at aggy where he didn't have a losing season.
I agree with the glitz of the Aggy program.  Perception is everything and right now A&M is benefiting from the SEC.  SEC has done a great job of marketing as well as creating a brand that media and fans view as superior to everyone else.  The goofball Finebaum is on 3 to 4 hours a day on radio and TV talking about the "great" SEC.  Texas is a great institution and has a proud football tradition but someone in Bellmont needs to figure out how to at least get the Longhorn Network on Directv.

 
All that and still no beer.
Because Patterson doesn't give a shit about about the amenities for the 70,000 peasants, only his beloved 30,000 blue hairs in the suites. And attendance last season showed us the 70,000 peasants were very willing to quit attending games. i remember posters before the season were laughing at the peasants and would be raising their glasses to those not allowed to have the amenities they wanted. How did all those empty seats look from the west side suites? Now that it is recruiting season and Coach Strong is getting feedback from the kids is is trying to get to commit to UT that the recruits weren't impressed with all the empty seats. 

 
Come on Duke.... tell him what your really pissed off about.... Beer sales at football games.... I believe that Duke loves the Longhorns but everything concerning Texas football will not be right for him until he can go to a football game and sat down in the cheap seats and have himself a cold beer....
Texas football won't be right until Nick Voinis is replaced with someone who knows how to handle the media and Patterson is replaced with someone who knows how to market the program.

 
You may "know" I am anti-Charlie Strong, but if that is your belief, you are as wrong as you can be. I'm fine with Strong. I think Watson is the wrong hire and I think Patterson needs to be removed from all responsibilities other than facilities.

My concern about Coach Strong is that he is so surrounded with inept and incompetent kleptocrats inside Bellmont that he is not being given a fair chance. The marketing staff is so inept ticket sales are setting benchmark lows. The media group supposedly supporting Coach Strong has done nothing to even try to position the program in a positive light and they are being humiliated by even the aggy media team. Outside the academic staff, I can't think of any group charged with supporting Coach Strong's efforts that should be in college athletics, let alone employed at UT.

Kids Strong is trying to recruit are so dazzled by the glitz of the aggy program that Sumlin is about to land the best defensive recruit in the state even though they have no clue who the aggy DC will be. Without a WR coach, he lands 5* WR recruits. This while since moving to the SEC, aggy has exactly zero more wins over FBS teams than Texas, Sumlin is something like 2-10 against SEC teams that ended the season ranked in the top 25 and went 3-5 in conference this past year being totally uncompetitive in the four games they lost and barely beating Arkansas  in overtime. The entire wave of glory aggy is riding is entirety attributable to aggy's scheduling FCS teams, yet aggy reigns supreme in Texas mostly because the media group in Bellmont has given up even trying to market UT football and has conceded the state to tamu.

Coach Strong can't do everything by himself and the Bellmont staff is getting its brains bashed in on almost every front by the aggys. What's worse, is Steve Patterson doesn't give a shit. His attitude, like the attitude of many fans, is that Charlie Strong has to do it all by himself by producing wins. Well, he can't. Charlie can't change the crappy game day atmosphere. Charlie can't program content for the Godzillatron. Charlie can't get the BOR to understand there need to be fresh ideas to market to young alumni. Charlie can't keep fans from being kicked off San Jacinto after the games to cater to the blue hairs who have premium parking. Most of all, Charlie can't fire incompetent Bellmont staff. He needs help and this past season proved he isn't getting much of it.

And, for the record, Gene Stallings had one year at aggy where he didn't have a losing season.

I think I'm right there with you on your conclusions on Strong, Watson and Patterson. But I tend to think Watson can be the guy with the right guys in place, personnel wise.

I think most everything else you ranted about falls under the Patterson realm of responsibilities and therefore you may have underplayed your card on Patterson, originally. He may be worse than you're thinking. And I think he is.

I have a partnership with JS and we talk often. He was a big Patterson supporter at one point long ago but all his BMDs tell him that Patterson is too focused on a couple of things and just not interested in things most feel are important. I think it was during the WV game when Patterson and Luck were in the same room together with the BMDs. Once both guys left, BMDs were talking about how polished Luck seemed to be in comparison with Patterson. Patterson isn't a bad guy. He just seems to be a one-trick pony.

 
I think I'm right there with you on your conclusions on Strong, Watson and Patterson. But I tend to think Watson can be the guy with the right guys in place, personnel wise.

I think most everything else you ranted about falls under the Patterson realm of responsibilities and therefore you may have underplayed your card on Patterson, originally. He may be worse than you're thinking. And I think he is.

I have a partnership with JS and we talk often. He was a big Patterson supporter at one point long ago but all his BMDs tell him that Patterson is too focused on a couple of things and just not interested in things most feel are important. I think it was during the WV game when Patterson and Luck were in the same room together with the BMDs. Once both guys left, BMDs were talking about how polished Luck seemed to be in comparison with Patterson. Patterson isn't a bad guy. He just seems to be a one-trick pony.
Patterson's "one trick" is facilities development and I think we take advantage of those abilities. He absolutely isn't a marketing guy. We need to get the right people in the right places inside Bellmont and with Powers leaving, no one cares that we have the wrong people in some important positions inside Bellmont. It is seriously hurting Coach Strong's recruiting efforts,it is making his job a lot harder than it should be and it is hurting the program. 

 
Are your sources you and me with wishful thinking? Sweet.
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Because Patterson doesn't give a shit about about the amenities for the 70,000 peasants, only his beloved 30,000 blue hairs in the suites. And attendance last season showed us the 70,000 peasants were very willing to quit attending games. i remember posters before the season were laughing at the peasants and would be raising their glasses to those not allowed to have the amenities they wanted. How did all those empty seats look from the west side suites? Now that it is recruiting season and Coach Strong is getting feedback from the kids is is trying to get to commit to UT that the recruits weren't impressed with all the empty seats.
Agree we need improved game day atmosphere for the masses, not just the "elite" folks. However, I guess I am a simpleton who just focuses on the game itself. That is my priority, but the availability of brews in house would avoid the mad dash to the alumni center at halftime, and missing the first series of the second half at times. I will give Patterson a window to get his plan, whatever it might be ( he actually hasn't shared this with me), in to action and then judge his effectiveness. However, I haven't seen much change thus far in the department as a whole. The prior talk of merging the men's and women's AD seems off at this time after the recent upswing in perfoamce of the women's sports. Looks like some good hires have been made by women's AD recently! Just a thought, may not be exactly on target with the above comments but had to give a shout out to the women's dept!

 
Agree we need improved game day atmosphere for the masses, not just the "elite" folks. However, I guess I am a simpleton who just focuses on the game itself. That is my priority, but the availability of brews in house would avoid the mad dash to the alumni center at halftime, and missing the first series of the second half at times. I will give Patterson a window to get his plan, whatever it might be ( he actually hasn't shared this with me), in to action and then judge his effectiveness. However, I haven't seen much change thus far in the department as a whole. The prior talk of merging the men's and women's AD seems off at this time after the recent upswing in perfoamce of the women's sports. Looks like some good hires have been made by women's AD recently! Just a thought, may not be exactly on target with the above comments but had to give a shout out to the women's dept!
Its great that you are getting what you want from the game day experience. I'm happy for the blue hairs in the west side suites. However, there are more groups who are being left out and who should be offered more of the game day experience they want. Younger fans who have grown up in a different time want different amenities and should get them.

Coach Strong gives me the impression he works his ass off. He should be able to look up before kickoff and realize he is surrounded by a marketing staff that works hard. And by a media team that is the best in the business. And by a game day staff that is the envy of his peers. And by a facilities group that is unmatched. Coach should feel he is surrounded by a team of top professionals. How do you think he honestly felt about the rest of the Bellmont team this past season? Bellmont reeks of mediocrity. Coach Strong deserves better.

 
Remember there was prohibition on playing payers prior to 1953. Bear got in trouble in 1956 because when some teams tried to abide by new rules, he didn't and was turned into the NCAA. When Darrell Royal was turned in for handing players meal money instead of giving it to the hosts to pay the tab (in 1964, his only probation), it was Haden Fry who turned him in. The Switzer violations of the mid 80s were discovered precisely because ex-players and recruits talked (and players got shot). When the ags got in trouble under Sherrill, it was because people talked. When SMU got into trouble, it was because a disgruntled former player talked.

When the players were receiving low level benefits (boosters buying tickets, etc) there wasn't a lot of complianing. When there were major violations, coaches turned in other programs, recruits talked and both current and former players talked. 

[SIZE=12pt]People bash Darrell Royal for a lot of reasons, claiming he was a dirty coach but none of them had any proof. During Royal's tenure, he had 58 players drafted into the NFL. During the same time, OU had 92 , aggy had 69 drafted, Houston had 70, SMU had 35, and Rice had 29. Royal didn't win because he was dirty. Darrell wasn't dirty, he won because he out-coached others who arguably had better talent. In the post-Akers 80s, Texas sucked because we weren't paying players, but there is no evidence we kept quiet when others were cheating.[/SIZE]

When there is cheating, it has always been uncovered in short order because coaches, players and recruits talked. As it stands now, the only people who are talking are rival fans on internet boards with zero evidence. As much as it frustrates me to say so, enough time has gone by and no one has said anything credible to indicate the ags are cheating. Not even those facing like in prison for gun and drug charges. Just as Darrell kicked other teams around because he was a better coach, as it stands now, we have to just grudgingly admit Sumlin is just a much better recruiter and not a dirty recruiter. Claiming otherwise, without any evidence whatsoever, just makes people seem small, jealous and petty. 
has anybody truly 'claimed' anything? of course it's all internet gossip. duh....

Longhorn fans speculating that aggy success (a school with a rich tradition of NCAA probations) might be the result of something off-the-books really isn't that big a deal, is it? it's speculation and at least in part a way to make fun of ags. that's still ok here, right ? 

and i fancy myself something of a student of Horn history and i don't recall any widespread accusations of DKR cheating. when was that and by whom ?

 
Its great that you are getting what you want from the game day experience. I'm happy for the blue hairs in the west side suites. However, there are more groups who are being left out and who should be offered more of the game day experience they want. Younger fans who have grown up in a different time want different amenities and should get them.

Coach Strong gives me the impression he works his ass off. He should be able to look up before kickoff and realize he is surrounded by a marketing staff that works hard. And by a media team that is the best in the business. And by a game day staff that is the envy of his peers. And by a facilities group that is unmatched. Coach should feel he is surrounded by a team of top professionals. How do you think he honestly felt about the rest of the Bellmont team this past season? Bellmont reeks of mediocrity. Coach Strong deserves better.
Wait, are you implying that I am a blue hair?! I guess my focus is trying to enjoy UT sports while living my life and raising my family. I am invested in UT sports, just not to the point where it overshadows my own priorities. I can only control part of my little world, and that takes enough time and energy to worry too much about college athletic departments. However, this is a great board to get these thoughts out and to stimulate dialogue. Always appreciate your take on Longhorn athletics my friend!

 
I finally start posting and this place has gone quiet.  We must be in the calm before the storm.

 
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