2015 Recruiting Season is in full swing

[BevoBlake]

I finally start posting and this place has gone quiet.  We must be in the calm before the storm.

It'll be loud tomorrow.

 

[MikeV73]

I finally start posting and this place has gone quiet. We must be in the calm before the storm.

Yeah, I'm still waiting on a response with some medical knowledge on my awesome OT NHL mumps outbreak thread!

 

[streettopeschel]

Yeah, I'm still waiting on a response with some medical knowledge on my awesome OT NHL mumps outbreak thread!

hockey? you should have said malik jefferson had a pimple. you'd be 10 pages by now.

 

[Randolph Duke]

has anybody truly 'claimed' anything? of course it's all internet gossip. duh....

Longhorn fans speculating that aggy success (a school with a rich tradition of NCAA probations) might be the result of something off-the-books really isn't that big a deal, is it? it's speculation and at least in part a way to make fun of ags. that's still ok here, right ? 

and i fancy myself something of a student of Horn history and i don't recall any widespread accusations of DKR cheating. when was that and by whom ?

DKR had his team put on probation once, in 1964. Back then, when the team went on the road, the players were allotted $10 a game for meal money. The money was supposed to be given to a player-host  and that individual, having knowledge of the city, was supposed to take the players out to eat and pay the tab. What was happening was the hosts were taking the players out for cheap assed burgers, paying about $1.50 for the meal and personally pocketing the rest of the money. To stop this, DKR started giving the money directly to the players. This was a violation of NCAA rules. Haden Fry (SMU coach who was pissed because Texas had turned in SMU earlier for violations) caught wind of it and turned Texas into the NCAA for giving the players improper benefits. That was the full extent of NCAA violations that were levied and proven under DKR's leadership.

Some people may remember Gary Shaw. He was a former DKR player who was unhappy and ended up writing"Meat on the Hoof" an expose of the Texas football program in the 1960s. That book was extremely unflattering and set out to chronicle every "shady" aspect of DKR's leadership. he accused DKR of being crude and callous and ratted DKR out for academic issues. he made no accusations about any outright cheating or paying players. Had that been going on, Shaw would have unquestionably written about them. 

While we are on the subject of DKR, the ags (dumbasses they are) love to claim that before scholarship limits were placed on teams, DKR used to sign enormous classes each year just to keep teams like aggy from being able to sign any decent recruits. Even before the NCAA mandated scholarship limits, the SWC has a limit of scholarships limit of 115 scholarships. The Big 8 and SEC had no such limit and schools like Nebraska, OU, Alabama, LSU and the like would routinely keep 150 players on scholarship. Texas was limited by the 115 scholarship limit. As I said earlier, the accusations DKR bottled up all the talent and kept schools like aggy from having decent players is bullshit. During the DKR years, his recruiting classes had 58 players drafted into the NFL. OU had 92, aggy had 69 drafted, U of H had 70, SMU 35, and Rice 29. Arguably, OU, U of H and aggy all had better talent than did DKR if you measure the talent by numbers of NFL draftees. 

Finally, the ags especially like to use the fact that DKR coached the last all-white national championship team as evidence of some sort DKR had a degree of racist bent. DKR's first integrated team was in the CFL (Edmonton) in 1953. He also recruited and coached an integrated team at Univ of Washington a few years later. The list of coaches who coached integrated football teams as far back as 1953 is rather short.

The argument that DKR was a cheater or was in any way racist just don't stand up to the evidence to the contrary. 

 

[Bear19]

Duke

The most recent proof that aggy cheats is very recent.

After his Heisman year Johnny Punk traveled all over the country selling his autograph. Numerous brokers gave the same story to a sports writer. Shortly afterward that stuff began to show up for sale in markets all over the country. Even Johnny Punk had to admit he had signed memorabilia for the brokers.

But the brokers made it known quickly they would not testify to the NCAA. It would ruin their business. So Johnny and aggy saw an out. They simply lied.Aggie hired a legal firm to threaten the NCAA with a lawsuit if they levied sanctions without absolute proof. So after violating a rule that should have cost him any further eligibility whatsoever he sits out one-half a game and then continues to play as if nothing had happened. It

was an insult to our intelligence. It was cheating. Pure and simple cheating.

Auburn and Cam Newton. Oregon and Seastrunct(sp). Oklahoma and Big Red. Now aggy and johnny punk. And the entire aggy nation applauded their stance.

Every Aggie I know including one smallish BMD has told me they want to get the best players they can get including buying them. It's all good with them as long as they don't get caught.Jackie Sherrill is a God to them.

Now is that proof they are buying players now? No. But I believe it is likely happening. They cheated two years ago to keep Johnny Punk on the field. Why do you believe they suddenly stopped?

 

[swaha]

Yeah, I'm still waiting on a response with some medical knowledge on my awesome OT NHL mumps outbreak thread!

I'm not sure how I missed this thread but it is there! No medical knowledge here.

 

[java]

I can't imagine why it is quiet, after all it is a recruiting 'dead period'.

 

[streettopeschel]

duke, i'm familiar with that. not sure that constitutes widespread accusations.

and the number of players who came out to refute Shaw was overwhelming.

for reference, i'm a brown hair who sits on the west side, not in a suite. been there for years.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I know Mack and staff were on the verge of reporting aggy re: Ricky Seals-Jones. DeLoss stopped it but the whole staff was pissed.

 

[Davharjac]

any recruiting updates...we can an "I hate Patterson" discussion in another thread..

 

[Randolph Duke]

Duke

The most recent proof that aggy cheats is very recent.

After his Heisman year Johnny Punk traveled all over the country selling his autograph. Numerous brokers gave the same story to a sports writer. Shortly afterward that stuff began to show up for sale in markets all over the country. Even Johnny Punk had to admit he had signed memorabilia for the brokers.

But the brokers made it known quickly they would not testify to the NCAA. It would ruin their business. So Johnny and aggy saw an out. They simply lied.Aggie hired a legal firm to threaten the NCAA with a lawsuit if they levied sanctions without absolute proof. So after violating a rule that should have cost him any further eligibility whatsoever he sits out one-half a game and then continues to play as if nothing had happened. It

was an insult to our intelligence. It was cheating. Pure and simple cheating.

Auburn and Cam Newton. Oregon and Seastrunct(sp). Oklahoma and Big Red. Now aggy and johnny punk. And the entire aggy nation applauded their stance.

Every Aggie I know including one smallish BMD has told me they want to get the best players they can get including buying them. It's all good with them as long as they don't get caught.Jackie Sherrill is a God to them.

Now is that proof they are buying players now? No. But I believe it is likely happening. They cheated two years ago to keep Johnny Punk on the field. Why do you believe they suddenly stopped?

Not to defend aggy, but Johnny Character Risk selling his autograph does not equate to Kevin Sumlin paying players to sign letters of intent. Manziel wasn't aggy cheating, it was Manziel being stupid. Auburn and Cam Newton does not equate to Kevin Sumlin paying players to sign LOIs to play for aggy. Willie Lyles and the scouting reports on the dead recruit to oregon does not equate to Kevin Sumlin paying recruits to sign LOIs to play for aggy. Barry Switzer and Big Red Motors doesn't equate to Sumlin paying players.

There simply is no evidence Sumlin is paying players to sign LOIs, in spite of the huge financial windfall that would come to any one in the press or Harvey Levin at TMZ for producing any such evidence. Aggy has former players (Golden and Claibore) who are facing life in prison and who have absolutely nothing to gain from being quiet who haven't said they even have heard about players getting paid. The closest we have is the pic of Laquivonte Gonzales flashing a spread of $100 bills the day after a game and then never playing another down all season. Even that elicited zero actual evidence or discussion he was getting paid. 

 

[swaha]

I can't imagine why it is quiet, after all it is a recruiting 'dead period'.

Still it doesnt stop the tweets and other social media communication. 

 

[tejasrulz]

Manziel wasn't aggy cheating, it was Manziel being stupid.

Beg to differ but they covered up his being stupid so he could keep playing (i.e. they could keep winning) so call it what you want but in my world, that's cheating.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

nm

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Lamp kin claims that's an old picture. Apparently Alaka posted it to just stir shit up.

 

[Bear19]

Not to defend aggy, but Johnny Character Risk selling his autograph does not equate to Kevin Sumlin paying players to sign letters of intent. Manziel wasn't aggy cheating, it was Manziel being stupid. Auburn and Cam Newton does not equate to Kevin Sumlin paying players to sign LOIs to play for aggy. Willie Lyles and the scouting reports on the dead recruit to oregon does not equate to Kevin Sumlin paying recruits to sign LOIs to play for aggy. Barry Switzer and Big Red Motors doesn't equate to Sumlin paying players.

There simply is no evidence Sumlin is paying players to sign LOIs, in spite of the huge financial windfall that would come to any one in the press or Harvey Levin at TMZ for producing any such evidence. Aggy has former players (Golden and Claibore) who are facing life in prison and who have absolutely nothing to gain from being quiet who haven't said they even have heard about players getting paid. The closest we have is the pic of Laquivonte Gonzales flashing a spread of $100 bills the day after a game and then never playing another down all season. Even that elicited zero actual evidence or discussion he was getting paid.

You call it stupid. I say when you allow a player to play who has clearly disqualified himself and you do it by lying that is cheating.

IDMAS

 

[Randolph Duke]

You call it stupid. I say when you allow a player to play who has clearly disqualified himself and you do it by lying that is cheating.

IDMAS

I must be getting old. My memory recalls an NCAA investigation, a punishment being assessed (suspended the first half of the Rice game) and Manziel not playing until he served his suspension and was eligible. Obviously, you remember things differently. We may just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Bear19]

I must be getting old. My memory recalls an NCAA investigation, a punishment being assessed (suspended the first half of the Rice game) and Manziel not playing until he served his suspension and was eligible. Obviously, you remember things differently. We may just have to agree to disagree.

Perhaps you forgot that Johnny and A&M lied about his receiving money. Don't insult my intelligence by telling me you believe the bastard didn't take money for his autograph. The entire world knows. The penalty as you describe it was given for the appearance of wrong doing. The NCAA basically said they were forced to accept that he did not take money because the brokers would not talk to them.

If you believe he did not take money then you are right. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Just because a thief gets away with it doesn't mean he's not a thief.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Perhaps you forgot that Johnny and A&M lied about his receiving money. Don't insult my intelligence by telling me you believe the bastard didn't take money for his autograph. The entire world knows. The penalty as you describe it was given for the appearance of wrong doing. The NCAA basically said they were forced to accept that he did not take money because the brokers would not talk to them.

If you believe he did not take money then you are right. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Just because a thief gets away with it doesn't mean he's not a thief.

Lol. The NCAA investigated the matter and deemed Manziel eligible. If you had evidence, you should have offered it.

I dont think Manziel pocketed the money. My personal opinion is Nate pocketed the money and paid the party expenses for himself and Johnny. Yes, knowingly allowing others to profit is a violation of NCAA rules. Did Manziel pocket the money as you claim? No, I don't think so. We just have to disagree. However, at the end of the day, Sumlin wasn't the cheater for allowing an unegligible player to play. Manziel served his suspension.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Lol. The NCAA investigated the matter and deemed Manziel eligible. If you had evidence, you should have offered it.

I dont think Manziel pocketed the money. My personal opinion is Nate pocketed the money and paid the party expenses for himself and Johnny. Yes, knowingly allowing others to profit is a violation of NCAA rules. Did Manziel pocket the money as you claim? No, I don't think so. We just have to disagree. However, at the end of the day, Sumlin wasn't the cheater for allowing an unegligible player to play. Manziel served his suspension.

Good grief...

The NCAA didn't come down on A&M and Manziel because the aggies' lawyers uncovered a number of other SEC players who also sold their autographs.  I don't have evidence either, but the conjecture is there.  It's been talked about many places.  Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

It'll be interesting to see what Ollie Luck does now that he's the NCAA's "VP of Regulatory Affairs".  Does he know where any bodies are buried?  Does the NCAA even want to punish rogue programs?

I contend that money and greed has corrupted the NCAA, too.  They simply don't want to catch anyone cheating.  Just look at how Emmert's buffoons bungled the Miami investigation, among others.