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Inside Scoop on Joey McGuire

Randolph Duke said:
I always laugh when people claim any college program is just one high school coach away from greatness.

Does anyone think Nick Saban is concerned in the least about Joey McGuire leaving his high school job to coach at Baylor? Or Urban Meyer? Or any college head coach?

High school coaching reputations are largely regional. Joey McGuire isn't a bigger brand name than the Texas Longhorns. Or the OU brand. Or any major college brand. Kids don't grow up wearing Joey McGuire sweatshirts or wanting to play for Joey McGuire.

If Tom Herman works his ass off, Joey McGuire is going to be nothing more than a former high school head coach who went to work for a poorly run church school that pissed a quarter billion dollars down the drain because they were indifferent to recruiting thugs and didn't care whether their athletes routinely raped the female students. Art Briles wasn't the only Baylor administrator who didn't care that the football players were routinely raping the female students.

There is a cultural sickness at Baylor that allowed that scandal to exist. Joey McGuire isn't going to cure the cultural sickness at Baylor. Kids are going to want to play for schools they grew up wanting to play for, big brands will continue to have their allure.

If Herman manages to win more than five games a season, things at Texas will be ok.
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Hate to break it to you, but kids coming of age to play college football haven't seen the Texas Longhorns as a top notch program. Baylor has been a better football school lately. In fact a lot better. Texas has also recruited its share of thugs over the years. Baylor will probably not have a great recruiting class. But they will get some kids over the next few years that we won't. Rhule may fail. But McGuire was a great hire that I wish we had made. The fact he impressed McGuire is what scares me about Rhule. He may have something. 

 
DFW Hornsfan said:
The fact he impressed McGuire is what scares me about Rhule. He may have something. 
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Someone sounds infatuated with McGuire and Rhule.  Im sure there is a Baylor board somewhere for you to express your glowing admirations.  People here fkn hate Baylor and everything they allowed at that school. 

 
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DFW Hornsfan said:
Hate to break it to you, but kids coming of age to play college football haven't seen the Texas Longhorns as a top notch program. Baylor has been a better football school lately. In fact a lot better. Texas has also recruited its share of thugs over the years. Baylor will probably not have a great recruiting class. But they will get some kids over the next few years that we won't. Rhule may fail. But McGuire was a great hire that I wish we had made. The fact he impressed McGuire is what scares me about Rhule. He may have something. 
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High school kids, and parents of high school kids have seen a institutional indifference to a culture of rape on the Baylor campus a lot more recently than they have seen Texas play for even a conference championship. They have seen the Baylor rape scandal on the evening news, they have heard their neighbors and teachers mention it, they have heard classmates say they will never go to Baylor because of it. And they haven't heard the last of it. The lawsuits against the school will go on for years and the sordid details will be made painfully public. The Baylor athletic program has a stench to it that will not go away anytime soon. Murder was bad. Now this.

Pull up Joey McGuire's mug shot from when he got arrested for drunk driving. If your kid was thinking about playing for Baylor, and you knew the top administrators who allowed the culture of rape to fester on campus were still running the school, would you ask Joey if he had his drinking problem under control? Would you ask him in from of your kid? I sure would. No one connected with the Baylor program is going to be given a pass by parents who want the best for their sons who want to go to a school that can help them get a good start in life. Not for the rest of our lifetimes.

Herman has said that if the top player at any position doesn't want to play for Texas, he will go out of state to seek the best player he could find for that position. Do you think any athlete from Florida, or California, or even from Louisiana cares who Joey McGuire is?

Baylor will never recruit nationally. That alone will limit their upside. They will have to compete for recruits against every other program that wants talent from the Lone Star State. Two years from now, no one will remember Joey McGuire's high school coaching achievements. During those two years, the Baylor program is going to go through hell. Their non-existent 2016 recruiting class will set the program back a lot. 2017 will probably not be any better.

Baylor is not the problem for UT football.

 
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Pull up Joey McGuire's mug shot from when he got arrested for drunk driving. If your kid was thinking about playing for Baylor, and you knew the top administrators who allowed the culture of rape to fester on campus were still running the school, would you ask Joey if he had his drinking problem under control? Would you ask him in from of your kid? I sure would.
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Umm...not McGuire's best look, unfortunately.

Not that UT coaches need to negative recruit against him to get an edge on Baylor. 

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DFW Hornsfan said:
Hate to break it to you, but kids coming of age to play college football haven't seen the Texas Longhorns as a top notch program. Baylor has been a better football school lately. In fact a lot better. Texas has also recruited its share of thugs over the years. Baylor will probably not have a great recruiting class. But they will get some kids over the next few years that we won't. Rhule may fail. But McGuire was a great hire that I wish we had made. The fact he impressed McGuire is what scares me about Rhule. He may have something. 
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As DMAC said at the top of this page, you are totally infatuated with Joey McGuire. And you seem to be pretty infatuated with Baylor football. 

 
I am not infatuated with McGuire or Rhule. I happen to know that McGuire was not just taking any job. Like I said I am very close to his closest confidant.

Rhule wasn't a blip on my radar or pimple on my butt until he hired McGuire. Never dreamed McGuire would go there with his other options.

I called the person I knew to congratulate them and said I was surprised. They said that they were surprised also. But that he was totally blown away by Rhule and I should go watch interviews and his press conference.

I am impressed by this guy. Art Briles always sounded as if he just came off the tractor to give an interview. It doesn't hurt that this guy is a Christian and that goes a long way with me. But he is articulate and smart. Even Charlie had his problems with interviews.

I am Longhorn fan. I did not however attend UT. So I look at my team through realistic eyes and without the arrogance of some of you.

You may be totally right to dismiss Rhule and Baylor. Taking a cheap shot over a DWI is just plain stupid. Redemption plays better to most folks. If someone tries to use a DWI against McGuire or anyone else it will backfire tremendously. The rape thing is a different story. That gets momma's attention. But a new staff can claim that is the old Baylor.

We can all sit back and wait. But don' be surprised if some recruits end up at Baylor that we thought for sure, never would go to Rape University.

 
DFW Hornsfan said:
You may be totally right to dismiss Rhule and Baylor. Taking a cheap shot over a DWI is just plain stupid. Redemption plays better to most folks. If someone tries to use a DWI against McGuire or anyone else it will backfire tremendously. The rape thing is a different story. That gets momma's attention. But a new staff can claim that is the old Baylor.

We can all sit back and wait. But don' be surprised if some recruits end up at Baylor that we thought for sure, never would go to Rape University.
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I don't want to threadjack, but 10,000 people die every year due to alcohol related auto accidents. That is as many people that die as a result of gun homicides.

Joey McGuire may be a great football coach, but if he has a lax attitude on behavior that can get someone's son killed, he deserves to get called out. There are very few places I know of where emphasizing zero tolerance for drunk driving around 18 year-old kids will backfire.

 
Hey guys, this is not something we need to get all lathered up about.

DFWHornsfan, I understand your thoughts. You're proud of your friend. I would be too. Great move for him and he'll be successful because thats what he is.

As for the DUI, I tend to see it a little differently. The guy paid his price to society and has obviously rebounded nicely. I know that some of the strongest, best testimony you can hear comes from folks like this. Their words can keep many people out of that situation. This is how its supposed to work.

I don't think anyone has dismissed Rhule. I'm fairly sure he's going to eventually have success at Baylor. Have no idea what it will be when measured. I think the gist here is that there's no reason to fear someone at another school when we're pretty friggin excited about the new things going down at ours.

Baylor NEEDS to improve on the recruiting trail. Otherwise, these kids are just heading out of state.

 
Sirhornsalot said:
Hey guys, this is not something we need to get all lathered up about.

DFWHornsfan, I understand your thoughts. You're proud of your friend. I would be too. Great move for him and he'll be successful because thats what he is.

As for the DUI, I tend to see it a little differently. The guy paid his price to society and has obviously rebounded nicely. I know that some of the strongest, best testimony you can hear comes from folks like this. Their words can keep many people out of that situation. This is how its supposed to work.

I don't think anyone has dismissed Rhule. I'm fairly sure he's going to eventually have success at Baylor. Have no idea what it will be when measured. I think the gist here is that there's no reason to fear someone at another school when we're pretty friggin excited about the new things going down at ours.

Baylor NEEDS to improve on the recruiting trail. Otherwise, these kids are just heading out of state.
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Couldn't agree more. Never heard of Rhule and never gave him a thought until McGuire signed up. 

Make no mistake that Texas would have gotten McGuire. It was his dream job. 

Baylor will struggle a lot this year recruiting. Too late for them. 

I am interested to see what happens though. This dude looks like a closer. 

 
It would seem that McGuire didn't have the qualifications to be hired by Herman. That qualification would be working with Herman before. All of his hires has been coaches so far that has worked him before.

Herman has shown that he thinks he made good hires at UH and doesn't need an upgrade by bringing pretty much his whole staff from Houston. If this is right or he should hire guys like McGuire will be determined in the next couple of years.

 
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