Our DC should be Fired before Midnight
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Not only that - but we had 5 freshmen in the secondary and 2 freshmen at LB. Our back 7 was all freshmen!
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Let's be realistic here, folks.
Baylor was down to playing a WR at QB. Was passing over the top really a big concern? Hell, was any kind of passing a big concern?
At halftime, Baylor made the intelligent decision to just run it down our throats. What else could they do?
I've seen some posters stating that we had 7 secondary kids that were freshmen. Why were we playing 7 kids in the secondary in the first place? Were we terrified of the mighty passing game of Baylor? Besides, were the kids that DID play secondary not taught how to play the position - even in high school? We are at the end of the season, were these same kids told, all year, not to bother coming to practice because we aren't going to coach you?
The statement was also made, "Well, if you stack the box, what happens if they break through?". That's the idea of stacking the box - so they won't break through. Besides, what if they did break through - we were 4-7. Like losing another damned game was going to make some kind of difference in our season.
Besides, I haven't seen this team, even with starters, slow anybody down all year - maybe OU. The excuse has always been that our offense was so bad that the defense never had time to rest. There may be some truth to this, but how about a good defense, KNOWING our offense was so bad, giving the ball back to them as many times as possible?
Instead, what I saw was a defense that was at the bottom of the nation in allowing 3rd down conversions. And a defense that has given up an avg. of 36 points per game.
WHY WERE WE STILL PLAYING 3-4 DOWN LINEMEN WHEN WE KNEW THEY WERE JUST GOING TO RUN IT UP OUR GUT? Did we really believe that allowing Baylors RB's free reign to run in our secondary was a good strategy? Jesus Christ!
So, no, Bedford has run plumb out of excuses, IMO.
I love that we beat Baylor and there really is not such thing as an ugly win. But it's disconcerting that a UT defense was bullied like it was - by a team that was NO passing threat.
Baylor was down to playing a WR at QB. Was passing over the top really a big concern? Hell, was any kind of passing a big concern?
At halftime, Baylor made the intelligent decision to just run it down our throats. What else could they do?
I've seen some posters stating that we had 7 secondary kids that were freshmen. Why were we playing 7 kids in the secondary in the first place? Were we terrified of the mighty passing game of Baylor? Besides, were the kids that DID play secondary not taught how to play the position - even in high school? We are at the end of the season, were these same kids told, all year, not to bother coming to practice because we aren't going to coach you?
The statement was also made, "Well, if you stack the box, what happens if they break through?". That's the idea of stacking the box - so they won't break through. Besides, what if they did break through - we were 4-7. Like losing another damned game was going to make some kind of difference in our season.
Besides, I haven't seen this team, even with starters, slow anybody down all year - maybe OU. The excuse has always been that our offense was so bad that the defense never had time to rest. There may be some truth to this, but how about a good defense, KNOWING our offense was so bad, giving the ball back to them as many times as possible?
Instead, what I saw was a defense that was at the bottom of the nation in allowing 3rd down conversions. And a defense that has given up an avg. of 36 points per game.
WHY WERE WE STILL PLAYING 3-4 DOWN LINEMEN WHEN WE KNEW THEY WERE JUST GOING TO RUN IT UP OUR GUT? Did we really believe that allowing Baylors RB's free reign to run in our secondary was a good strategy? Jesus Christ!
So, no, Bedford has run plumb out of excuses, IMO.
I love that we beat Baylor and there really is not such thing as an ugly win. But it's disconcerting that a UT defense was bullied like it was - by a team that was NO passing threat.
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I get what you are saying doc. There were times I felt the same way during the game. Baylor did try a few trick plays with laterals and then attempted to pass down field. A few of them never developed but you could see they were looking down field for the pass. As I mentioned earlier with Hawthorne at the helm if was unlikely to complete an over the top pass but knowing our luck this year I wouldnt doubt it.
I dont blame the coaches for playing conservative. I didnt like it at the time, but it was the safe route to protect the lead.
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We weren't playing 7 kids in the secondary - we were playing 7 freshmen in the back 7 DB & LB's. We had missed assignments all over the field, and as Ricky correctly pointed out after the game Baylor was confusing the hell out of our young guys by running Counters, ISO's, and Traps out of the same formation in the wild cat. I don't think Bedford wanted to walk everyone closer to the line and allow their very talented RB (and do everything WR) a chance to change the game on one play. One missed assignment and its their RB/WR one on one in the open field with a freshman FS.
If we're 4-7 and it doesn't matter if we have another loss, then whats the point of stacking the box? Bedford played the defense he played because he wasn't going to allow any big plays - either through the air or on the ground. The Baylor offense lives off of big plays, Bedford decided to play his version of the Cover 3/Tampa 3 and was going to make Baylor methodically work their way down the field and grind for yard after yard. It took Baylor all of the third quarter to score those 10 points.
The defense did its job - its the offense that everyone should be bitching about.
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baylor's high powered offense scored 0 in the 1st half against our depleted defense.
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Some people seem to forget that Baylor's strength is not passing, it is rushing. They are in the top percentage of rushing plays at over 60%. They have a excellent O-line with 4 seniors and 1 junior that have played a lot together.
We were missing the most crucial part of stopping a dangerous running game with Jinkens and Malik, not to mention Ridgeway. You add the fact that we had so many true freshman forced into action in the back seven, you are forced to over-compensate. Because, why it sucks for them to grind those runs out on the ground, all it would have taken is one, half-way decent pass to lose this game.
I know the argument is that they weren't trying to do that, but that is because we were trying to not give up the homerun play. This was a very bend-don't-break philosophy that looks incredibly ugly on the field, but accomplished what it had to.
While I'm not happy about what Strong and Co. produced this season, this game was a good win. Our players had ZERO to play for. Many of our coaches, knew this was probably their last game. Yet, they came out and beat a team favored by 21 points. I'll take and ugly win over a pretty lose any day.
We were missing the most crucial part of stopping a dangerous running game with Jinkens and Malik, not to mention Ridgeway. You add the fact that we had so many true freshman forced into action in the back seven, you are forced to over-compensate. Because, why it sucks for them to grind those runs out on the ground, all it would have taken is one, half-way decent pass to lose this game.
I know the argument is that they weren't trying to do that, but that is because we were trying to not give up the homerun play. This was a very bend-don't-break philosophy that looks incredibly ugly on the field, but accomplished what it had to.
While I'm not happy about what Strong and Co. produced this season, this game was a good win. Our players had ZERO to play for. Many of our coaches, knew this was probably their last game. Yet, they came out and beat a team favored by 21 points. I'll take and ugly win over a pretty lose any day.
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I guess we choose to see what we want to see and I will agree that your opinion is as valid as mine.
But I have to ask, why are you and why do you think Bedford should have been concerned about what could happen through the air. Did the WR (aka QB) or RB strike fear into Bedford with their passing? Seriously?
Baylors offense lined up with two receivers for most of the second half. What would have happened if we covered them with two DB's and stacked the fricken box with NINE (9) players? What would you think our chances would have been to stop Baylor from gaining 400 yds. rushing on us and 17 points in the second half?
Do you really believe they would have passed us silly? Are you aware their All American receiver was playing QB and not going out for passes?
They ran a 1920's single wing against us with GREAT success and I'm sure Biles is regretting not running it in the first half.
But forget the Baylor game. How about the rest of the season? You okay with Bedford's defense in it?
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I can see you aren't a Strong fan, but I know you know this is not true. It IS Bedford's defense - he IS the defensive coordinator. Strong is like 99.9% of all HC - he is the CEO. Very rarely do SEO's do work in the trenches.
Saban is primarily a defensive coach. But he allows his DC to coordinate. As does Charlie Strong.
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I like to compare their Wildcat offense to our 18 wheeler package. Opposing teams have film and prepared for it, yet it continued to work time after time.... Not necessarily because Swoopes ran over people, but because he had lanes to run through. Teams with film and preparation couldn't stop it.
Now imagine being a freshman linebacker/DB when Baylor decided to go full Wildcat. All of a sudden 98% of the film you watched goes out the window. Scouting reports, game plans: worthless. You don't know their down and distance tendencies, formation tendencies, or package tendencies. Hell, you don't even know what keys you're supposed to read because this is a 100% different offensive system than what you spent a week preparing for.
Could coaching staff had made some better decisions and adjustments? Yes. Could players have played a little better? Yes. But closing or games has been a large problem this year, and they played with heart, effort, and closed out the game playing basically street football against Baylor's best athletes on offense. There are things that need to be fixed fast, but I give them a ton of credit for not giving up on the season after being put in a very difficult position to play in. Hook 'em!
Now imagine being a freshman linebacker/DB when Baylor decided to go full Wildcat. All of a sudden 98% of the film you watched goes out the window. Scouting reports, game plans: worthless. You don't know their down and distance tendencies, formation tendencies, or package tendencies. Hell, you don't even know what keys you're supposed to read because this is a 100% different offensive system than what you spent a week preparing for.
Could coaching staff had made some better decisions and adjustments? Yes. Could players have played a little better? Yes. But closing or games has been a large problem this year, and they played with heart, effort, and closed out the game playing basically street football against Baylor's best athletes on offense. There are things that need to be fixed fast, but I give them a ton of credit for not giving up on the season after being put in a very difficult position to play in. Hook 'em!
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if our offense scored 3 points in the second half and you called that pathetic, what do you call baylor's offense that scored 0 points in the first half.
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I said UT scoring only 3 points in the second half was pathetic. If you think otherwise that's your problem. You are the one that brought BU"s first half offense up.
OK. I keep hearing from some of you under achievers---that gosh we had freshman playing !! Give Bedford a break. Here is my thought -- the first 2-3 games you could use that EXCUSE if you so choose BUT game # 12 those guys should not be performing like freshman. We just gave up more yardage in the HISTORY of our university --DO you really thong that is because we played some freshman ?? IF so I got some property with a Ocean view to sell you in Ariz.
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