Great backup qb discussion in here!!!!

[Lastcall8]

Heard people yelling multiple times at others to sit down. Are you serious? First those paid for their spot in the stadium they can do as they please. Secondly the kids worked thier ass off this summer and deserve the support from the fans. Thirdly take your ass to your couch if you wanna sir on your hands!!

I won't say what I told two fellas that asked me to sir down. Let's just say I didn't sit down and they left.

Also the recruits I saw and talked to weren't exactly in love with our offense. Oh well we knew it would be ugly. They did like the defense however, even if it was a qb that couldn't play at 6a Allen right down the road from ntu.

Think putting swoopes in for the victory formation was a slap in the face. Ash is one hit away from never playing ball again and his backup got zero meaningful snaps in a game where NT was happy to take their payment and head back north

 

[joeywa]

Heard people yelling multiple times at others to sir down. Are you serious? First those paid for their spot in the stadium they can do as they please. Secondly the kids worked thier ass off this summer and deserve the supposed from the fans. Thirdly take your ass to your couch if you wanna sir on your hands!!

I won't say what I told two fellas that asked me to sir down. Let's just say I didn't sit down and they left.

Also the recruits I saw and talked to weren't exactly in love with our offense. Oh well we knew it would be ugly. They did like the defense however, even if it was a qb that couldn't play at 6a Allen right down the road from ntu.

Think putting swoopes in for the victory formation was a slap in the face. Ash is one hit away from never playing ball again and his backup got zero meaningful snaps in a game where NT was happy to take their payment and head back north

Agree wholeheartedly with this statement.  No reason whatsoever for Ash to be in the game and taking hits after the 1st drive of the 3rd Qtr.  Zero. 

 

[streettopeschel]

I don't believe you heard multiple times people being told to sit down. I think that's a narrative some like to spew, but in my 30-plus years as a season ticket holder I bet I've heard someone asked to sit down half-dozen times.

Regarding 'meaningful snaps' that's the dumbest effing thing that longhorn fans continue to bitch about.

If your #1 QB goes down, you're screwed. Unless there's not much difference between 1 and 2.

Meaningful snaps means when the game us on the line. Why the f*** Would anybody play a backup QB when the game is on the line? Nobody does that.

 

[pringlelake]

Street is absolutely correct.

 

[utisdabomb12]

I don't believe you heard multiple times people being told to sit down. I think that's a narrative some like to spew, but in my 30-plus years as a season ticket holder I bet I've heard someone asked to sit down half-dozen times.

Regarding 'meaningful snaps' that's the dumbest effing thing that longhorn fans continue to bitch about.

If your #1 QB goes down, you're screwed. Unless there's not much difference between 1 and 2.

Meaningful snaps means when the game us on the line. Why the f*** Would anybody play a backup QB when the game is on the line? Nobody does that.

Yeah, I don't understand the meaningful snaps narrative. It's not a meaningful snap if the game is over. The game was over at halftime. 

 

[joeywa]

I don't believe you heard multiple times people being told to sit down. I think that's a narrative some like to spew, but in my 30-plus years as a season ticket holder I bet I've heard someone asked to sit down half-dozen times.

Regarding 'meaningful snaps' that's the dumbest effing thing that longhorn fans continue to bitch about.

If your #1 QB goes down, you're screwed. Unless there's not much difference between 1 and 2.

Meaningful snaps means when the game us on the line. Why the f*** Would anybody play a backup QB when the game is on the line? Nobody does that.

I get this, especially if you're playing a tough opponent and the game is on the line, (lead of 2 scores or less, at least in my opinion.) 

But A) UNT is not a tough opponent and B ) We had a 28-point lead after Ash took our opening drive of the 2nd Half 75 yards for a TD. 

Game was clearly in hand.  Why not get your backup some playing time? 

I may be in the minority here, but Swoopes needs game reps to improve.  What better time than when you're up by 28, just got a punt from UNT on your own 11 yd line, UNT's offense had been horrible up to that point and there was 8:42 remaining in the 3rd Qtr?  Give the keys to the bus to the backup.  Let him run the offense with the 1st team O at that time. 

The games upcoming will likely not provide any better opportunities than that to give your backup QB some reps, and should Ash go down, Swoopes will be thrown to the wolves. 

I will disagree with Street here in that "Meaningful Snaps," (to me,) do not mean that the game is on the line.  I think meaningful snaps for a QB are those that allow your QB to see a D at their normal strength, or at least close to that, and run some plays, throw some passes and not take a knee in the V formation. 

 

[Lastcall8]

I don't care if ya believe me or not about the multiple times someone being asked to sit down. Three times is multiple in my book. I'm in section 29 and heard it. Once was to me. Lol i have seen Ricky Williams mom try to get someone escorted out for standing up.

As a former coach and player I can assure you " meaningful snaps" is any snaps you take, when in the game, when your still running the offense as if you are trying to score Those snaps def are worth it for a backup. Regardless of the score. The game does not have to be on the line to be considered meaningful. There is zero substitute for in game experience.

 

[Darrell McPhaul]

Street is absolutely correct.

No he is not.  Street is not aware of who the poster is he is disputing.

I have no doubt that is Street had the insight that coach does, he wouldn't be disputing anything.

Then again, sometimes Street goes off the grid and there ain't no saving him from himself

 

[utisdabomb12]

This is how I see it. I don't think Ash got anything out of playing the remaining possessions after the first drive in the 3rd quarter. 

 

[joeywa]

This is how I see it. I don't think Ash got anything out of playing the remaining possessions after the first drive in the 3rd quarter. 

Sure he did.  He got some extra bumps and bruises for his trouble, as well as a fumble that cost the D a shutout. 

Not saying that Swoopes wouldn't have had a costly turnover himself, but ya have to give the kid some reps.

 

[streettopeschel]

We can disagree what a 'meaningful snap' constitutes but I'd concede game snaps are valuable on some level . I'd ask however, how may 'meaningful snaps' bama, fsu, Ohio st, ucla, aggy or anybody got this week.

My disagreement with it is those who argued we lost the '09 NC because Gilbert didn't get 'meaningful snaps. It wouldn't have mattered. The gap between 1 and 2 was that much. Just like no amount of meaningful snaps would have prepped Nordgren to cover for VY in '05.

Ash hasn't played in a year. He's in a new offense and they were trying to find a groove. No problem with it.

 

[joeywa]

We can disagree what a 'meaningful snap' constitutes but I'd concede game snaps are valuable on some level . I'd ask however, how may 'meaningful snaps' bama, fsu, Ohio st, ucla, aggy or anybody got this week.

My disagreement with it is those who argued we lost the '09 NC because Gilbert didn't get 'meaningful snaps. It wouldn't have mattered. The gap between 1 and 2 was that much. Just like no amount of meaningful snaps would have prepped Nordgren to cover for VY in '05.

Ash hasn't played in a year. He's in a new offense and they were trying to find a groove. No problem with it.

Oregon up 41-13 at the half.  (28 points)

Mariotta out, Lockie in to open up the 3Q. 

Just sayin'.

 

[streettopeschel]

Ok. No idea who Lockie is but will these 'meaningful snaps' mean squat if he's called on in a real situation? Any more than Matt Nordren playing the second half against ku in 05?

 

[pringlelake]

No he is not.  Street is not aware of who the poster is he is disputing.

So who is the poster??   

 

[Lastcall8]

We can disagree what a 'meaningful snap' constitutes but I'd concede game snaps are valuable on some level . I'd ask however, how may 'meaningful snaps' bama, fsu, Ohio st, ucla, aggy or anybody got this week.

My disagreement with it is those who argued we lost the '09 NC because Gilbert didn't get 'meaningful snaps. It wouldn't have mattered. The gap between 1 and 2 was that much. Just like no amount of meaningful snaps would have prepped Nordgren to cover for VY in '05.

Ash hasn't played in a year. He's in a new offense and they were trying to find a groove. No problem with it.

Ala, Ohio at, ucla, fla st did not have the luxury at anytime to put in a backup as the game was on the line the whole time and when it's on the line you have to have your best in there. I believe sumlin did not bring in the backup because he wants to redshirt him. At least what I have heard from people in the know.

I'm not in the camp of we would have won the ship had Gilbert gotten more meaningful snaps. It would have helped but yes the difference in him and McCoy was night and day. As was vy vs nordren. However there is a reason those two guys names are on the stadium at dkr. They weren't just average.

Ash is average though. The gap between swoopes and him is smaller then you think and shrinking every practice. Extra game snaps would help him.

 

[streettopeschel]

So who is the poster??

McP doing his 'I know something but can't tell you' thing. Same 'ole...
Whatever...my point remains the same. No amount of 'meaningful snaps' matters if the gap between 1 and 2 is substantial.

 

[Lastcall8]

No disrespect street it's a great discussion topic. A lot of pros and cons both ways.

I will agree if the gap is substantial the snaps don't matter a ton. But......in our case, our being Texas, the gap isn't substantial so in my small country bumpkin mind it does and should matter.

 

[joeywa]

Ok. No idea who Lockie is but will these 'meaningful snaps' mean squat if he's called on in a real situation? Any more than Matt Nordren playing the second half against ku in 05?

Lockie is the backup. Him getting snaps in this game tonight will allow him to at least not be completely cold if he's ever called in if Mariotta goes down.  Just my 2-cents. 

I'm certainly not comparing our current situation to 05, or even 09.  I think that our current situation is one that requires some experience at backup.  We don't have anyone with any experience under center in a game situation should Ash go down.  Swoopes got not much of anything last year.  5/13 26 yds in 6 games of minimal action last year.

 

[streettopeschel]

No disrespect street it's a great discussion topic. A lot of pros and cons both ways.

I will agree if the gap is substantial the snaps don't matter a ton. But......in our case, our being Texas, the gap isn't substantial so in my small country bumpkin mind it does and should matter.

all good, friend. My understanding is that the gap IS that big between Ash and Swoopes. I'm also thinking Ash needs reps in this new offense.
Anyway I'm more pissed we f'd up a shutout on what was as dominating a D-effort as I've seen in a long time.