Gut Check Time: Where does Steve Sarkisian go from here?

[Eastexhorn]

Yeah, we’ve already had 3 hit the portal. I be that number ends up around 10-15.

Moore, Cook andwho?

 

[longhorn_mig]

Moore, Cook andwho?

Tyler Owens

 

[Captain Hookem]

Grain of salt time. A poster from another board said Sark was ripping into the offense during halftime, and Moore started blaming individual players. Bijan apparently told him to stop complaining and quit the team. If true, well done Bijan.

Moore was a head case and you could tell that from before he stepped on campus. Addition by subtraction.

If there’s anything that leads to a culture problem it starts with allowing players like this on the team. Guys you know are head cases but think the talent is too good to pass up. Just a handful of guys like this can kill a locker room. 

We get obsessed about star rankings, but those don’t take attitude into account. Better to have a 3 star army of players with emotional intelligence than a toxic locker room full of Moore’s.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Tyler Owens

Thanks.

 

[david ficken]

Question is there any one that did not expect Sark's record to be better. 

Offebse has been good to very good. When Casey is healthy can play with anyone.

Defense is anotherstory any team with a fair offensehas runnedthrough them like grain through a goose.

There is no way you can runoff half this team and replace them. So nextyear will depend on coaching and defensive side is lacking something in that department.

Personally,  I thought we could be anywhere  from 7-6 to 9-4.  Granted i thought the OL would be something of Karic, Johnson, Majors, Augilau, and split time between Kerstetter/Jones/Garth. How little did we know how the coaching change hasn't helped some of these guys. So, if some leave who cares other than you? Especially if we get some of the 4 current guys visiting with Greene and Agbo also under consideration. Have heard that Murphy is talking with both of them.

Now for the defense:

We have what 7 DL and a couple of LBs, with 2 safeties and 1 corner. But if Coburn, Ojomo, and possibility Sweat were to leave for the NFL, with Jones. We would currrently Collins, Broughton, and Murphy.  I don't  consider Goram-Welch or Myron Warren as both are behind true freshman currently. Thus both can hit the portal and not be missed.

Linebackers:  Davis, Overshown, and Thornton with possibly Dele are seniors? None will be missed. Hoping  Richardson, Harris Jr., Sorrell, Dorhah, Abiara, and Bayouth are players. Hullaby, Gbenda, Thomas and Dele (if not a GT) could leave with maybe only you missing them. Tillman played as a freshman and then had a ACL and hasn't  been seen since. Depending upon who is asked, Oghoufo is either a junior or senior.

DBs:

Cook, Jamison, Thompson. All could leave or 2 could come back. Dunn in the same boat. Caldwell should portal out, he wont be a player as a corner.

Foster should've quit like he did last year. He hasn't changed from his freshman year till now. Much like Sterns if drafted, it's because of his measurements not his body of work. Just another one of these "blue chippers" that MBHOrnsguy and others claim we have that should just be so awesome that we win because  he is on the field.

Schooler looks like "Brenda" 2.0. If questioning, former players call out players that seem more concerned with their hair  than their talent. Think Hagger. Coffey hasn't  played and Jerrin Thompson is a linebacker if his play doesn't  change. 

Ive said at least 10 transfers this year. Maybe 15 both this year and next year with around 10 transfer coming in both this year znd next year with the solid classes that Sark brings in both year.

LET THE PURGING BEGIN.

Coach Beckelman also said, that new coaches don't change players attitudes unless they tell them the truth. New shoe polish doesn't change a turd. It just makes the turd a shiny different looking turd. 

Would you like to go through the offense? 

30 players that either won't be missed or are non-factual player to how we get back to being winners and big players in big time players.

 

[david ficken]

NEXT YEAR , we haven't even completed year one and you are projecting that UT will be worse than they are now ?  and you call yourself a fan. What is your problem with Sark ? 

He isn't  a fan. Never has been!. He just post like he is Herman or Momma Card.  Herman will NOT BE REHIRED NOR BE CONSIDERED as a coach here again and he can't stand it. Why the Mods allow him to still be here is on them. 

Sark isnt grtting fired this year or next year. The BMDs, the President of thr school, the board, and CDC know what it will take and it's  at least 3 years and lots of tuenover from the average 3 or 4 stars that some keep claiming as "blue chippers" to go away and getting  real 4 stars and legit 5 stars to come in to be difference makers. Plus aloow themselves to be fully developed into those difference makers that Alabama has and now Georgia has. 

 

[Eastexhorn]

Personally,  I thought we could be anywhere  from 7-6 to 9-4.  Granted i thought the OL would be something of Karic, Johnson, Majors, Augilau, and split time between Kerstetter/Jones/Garth. How little did we know how the coaching change hasn't helped some of these guys. So, if some leave who cares other than you? Especially if we get some of the 4 current guys visiting with Greene and Agbo also under consideration. Have heard that Murphy is talking with both of them.

Now for the defense:

We have what 7 DL and a couple of LBs, with 2 safeties and 1 corner. But if Coburn, Ojomo, and possibility Sweat were to leave for the NFL, with Jones. We would currrently Collins, Broughton, and Murphy.  I don't  consider Goram-Welch or Myron Warren as both are behind true freshman currently. Thus both can hit the portal and not be missed.

Linebackers:  Davis, Overshown, and Thornton with possibly Dele are seniors? None will be missed. Hoping  Richardson, Harris Jr., Sorrell, Dorhah, Abiara, and Bayouth are players. Hullaby, Gbenda, Thomas and Dele (if not a GT) could leave with maybe only you missing them. Tillman played as a freshman and then had a ACL and hasn't  been seen since. Depending upon who is asked, Oghoufo is either a junior or senior.

DBs:

Cook, Jamison, Thompson. All could leave or 2 could come back. Dunn in the same boat. Caldwell should portal out, he wont be a player as a corner.

Foster should've quit like he did last year. He hasn't changed from his freshman year till now. Much like Sterns if drafted, it's because of his measurements not his body of work. Just another one of these "blue chippers" that MBHOrnsguy and others claim we have that should just be so awesome that we win because  he is on the field.

Schooler looks like "Brenda" 2.0. If questioning, former players call out players that seem more concerned with their hair  than their talent. Think Hagger. Coffey hasn't  played and Jerrin Thompson is a linebacker if his play doesn't  change. 

Ive said at least 10 transfers this year. Maybe 15 both this year and next year with around 10 transfer coming in both this year znd next year with the solid classes that Sark brings in both year.

LET THE PURGING BEGIN.

Coach Beckelman also said, that new coaches don't change players attitudes unless they tell them the truth. New shoe polish doesn't change a turd. It just makes the turd a shiny different looking turd. 

Would you like to go through the offense? 

30 players that either won't be missed or are non-factual player to how we get back to being winners and big players in big time players.

Good answer. Then if you run off the amount of players you mentioned, HOw are you going to replace them?f

I will ask again how do you plan on replacing them?

 

[Eastexhorn]

After rereading your post I now realize how bad of players and team we have, Lucky to have won a game.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Obviously, this team does not have the talent to compete nationally with the big boys. But, when it comes to the Big 12, their talent level is almost as good as OU's and better than all other teams in the Big 12. And it's not even close.

The problem is that they don't play up that talent level. For whatever reason. I saw a video clip of Nick Saban on another site where he talks about a player's Capability Gap. In other words what level are they capable of playing at and what level are they actually playing at.

I will contend that that Capability Gap on this Texas team is sizable for most of the team. There's your problem. That's why we are 4-5 with a team capable of being 7-2 at the worst. 

 

[Johnny Depp]

 Flush the toilet. Replace most of the team. 

 The team has stinking thinking. The culture. An intangible that is impossible to measure. Something a coach can't cause or correct. They were born that way. Nature vs. Nurture.



 Blame the players. Especially if the last coach left them here. Not all though, like Bijan, Roshon or Dicker. The other under performers should be banished.

 Replace them with players that have a good attitude, (never mind that it's impossible to identify/quantify). Future recruiting should pay less attention to rankings, weight, height, speed, high school statistics or grades and background.

Now that we have thrown out the baby with the bath water, next we'll discuss how to replace more players than any team since Marshall.

 

[DMAC]

 Flush the toilet. Replace most of the team. 

 The team has stinking thinking. The culture. An intangible that is impossible to measure. Something a coach can't cause or correct. They were born that way. Nature vs. Nurture.

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 Blame the players. Especially if the last coach left them here. Not all though, like Bijan, Roshon or Dicker. The other under performers should be banished.

 Replace them with players that have a good attitude, (never mind that it's impossible to identify/quantify). Future recruiting should pay less attention to rankings, weight, height, speed, high school statistics or grades and background.

Now that we have thrown out the baby with the bath water, next we'll discuss how to replace more players than any team since Marshall.

The problem with this is it can Texas fans be patient enough to do this?  We are talking 3-4 seasons of losing records. 

Sark said he is under the hood fixing things.  To me that corresponds he knows this requires major roster changes.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Where does the next generation of players come from?

*Scholarships with NIL incentives up front

It appears Texas is far behind in using this tool. It makes no sense, Texas and boosters have plenty of money. This is what it will take to keep up with the Jones's in the SEC.

*Scholarships

Plain vanilla. Old fashioned recruiting. Some scholarships should always be held open to offer to portal opportunities. Lot's of teams romancing these kids leads to a feeling of entitlement, especially with the portal as the safety valve. 

*Transfer Portal

It works both ways. No guarantee that it will be more positive than negative. It should not be passive, poaching players when communication is allowed should be as big or bigger of a coaching effort than high school recruiting. Immediate impact.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-transfer-portal-losers-teams-that-lost-most-Tennessee-Temple-Kansas-Nebraska-166255507/#166255507_8

*Walk ons

There are hundred of kids who would have parents pay their way to suit up in Burnt Orange. With only under 2% of high school players ever reaching Div. 1 the overachievers that flew under the radar due to size or other factors is huge. An open invitation for tryouts would be a stampede of kids from Texas and across the country.

 

[Captain Hookem]

Obviously, this team does not have the talent to compete nationally with the big boys. But, when it comes to the Big 12, their talent level is almost as good as OU's and better than all other teams in the Big 12. And it's not even close.

The problem is that they don't play up that talent level. For whatever reason. I saw a video clip of Nick Saban on another site where he talks about a player's Capability Gap. In other words what level are they capable of playing at and what level are they actually playing at.

I will contend that that Capability Gap on this Texas team is sizable for most of the team. There's your problem. That's why we are 4-5 with a team capable of being 7-2 at the worst. 

That's exactly the issue. We don't have the talent level of ou.

Their 5 star QB sucks one day, and who do they replace him with?... An even higher ranked 5 star QB. They have more than one receiver who can catch a football. They have dudes on the oline. The only position Texas has an advantage over other teams is at RB on offense. We may be similarly talented on defense, but we lost that game in part because of hail mary like throws which our DBs couldn't find in space.  

A lot of folks like to talk about past highly rated recruiting classes, but what they don't do is re-evaluate the star rankings of they players that are left. It's been reported here and elsewhere that the 2019 class especially has been depleted, which should be carrying the load right now.

For a lot of reasons, we've lost a lot of players. The cake wasn't baked 5 years ago and certainly wasn't baked last year. This is what Sark was hired to fix. He can't fix 5 years of loss of talent, even though those classes pulled in higher rankings at the time.

Also, this a another point no one really talks about. This year a lot of teams have 6 year players, which is unprecedented in college football because of covid. That's a pretty large advantage for stable programs who've been developing players the whole time and have an extra year for experienced players. Texas doesn't benefit from that because they are changing systems in the exact same year, which mostly nullifies any extra experience someone would have. 

This is a rebuilding situation, not a reloading one. 

 

[Hiwood]

He isn't  a fan. Never has been!. He just post like he is Herman or Momma Card.  Herman will NOT BE REHIRED NOR BE CONSIDERED as a coach here again and he can't stand it. Why the Mods allow him to still be here is on them. 

Sark isnt grtting fired this year or next year. The BMDs, the President of thr school, the board, and CDC know what it will take and it's  at least 3 years and lots of tuenover from the average 3 or 4 stars that some keep claiming as "blue chippers" to go away and getting  real 4 stars and legit 5 stars to come in to be difference makers. Plus aloow themselves to be fully developed into those difference makers that Alabama has and now Georgia has. 

you bring up a very good point that was discussed on the Herd with Joel Klatt yesterday, they didnt mention UT by name but Cowherd alluded to the fact that  some programs are 3 year rebuilds and some are six year rebuilds, they used Nebraska as an example of a six year rebuild. I think you are spot on that WE are a three year rebuild, Sark needs 3 great recruiting classes to get some play makers and guys willing to drink his kool aid and the BMD, CDC, and all of us fans need to bite our tongues and roll with the punches...not saying we cant turn it around next year but it will take a GREAT class and the stars will have to align and a few breaks go our way and then who knows

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

you are delusional if you think Sark is in the hot seat after ONE year....Del Conte and the BMD's knew they bought into the TH hype (actually can lay that on Mike Perrine) and to some extent Mack B...TH also sold himself very well, but when you look back at his resume, from grad assistant to the HC on the 40 Acres in how many years, hey I admit I drank the kool aid too..but Sark has been on National Champion staffs, he learned at the foot of Nick S. He knows what it takes to build a winner...As long as CDC is in charge he will give Sark time to either produce or hang himself...CDC has shown that he is a very good evaluator of coaching talent, look how quickly that the baseball and hoops teams have become National powers without his meddling...I think he will do the same with FB

CDC has only hired one football HC in his career - David Baliff @ Rice way back in 2007. No doubt he's hired good coaches for other sports, though. With a 6-year contract, I fully expect Sark to be at UT 4 years, minimum.

For me, it's not the fact that we've lost 4 straight to good teams. It's the way we've performed in the 2nd Half that's so disappointing. No positive coaching adjustments made that I've observed. It's not unreasonable to expect more from an "offensive guru", IMO.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Back to the "both will play" on QB, as per today's press  conference. 

I take that to mean if Casey's thumb is good enough, that's who he wants to play. He made it clear this is not about developing players, it's about winning the last 3 (or more) games. Anyone that plays, it's because they earned it.

 

[83Dee]

That would be unprecedented and probably set back the team at least 3 years. Make an example of the core bad apples, maybe 10 pushed to the portal.

I was using hyperbole.  Replacing half the roster... I thought it was obvious.  

 

[Johnny Depp]

https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/11/09/texas-football-3-reasons-sarkisian-can-still-turn-around-the-longhorns/

* He’s got his skill position players to build around for the future

* Potential in the 2022 and 2023 recruiting classes

* Steve Sarkisian needs a culture change more than Charlie Strong and Tom Herman ever did

That sounds like 2 to me, but at least there's a little sunshine pumping in there.

 

[83Dee]

https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/11/09/texas-football-3-reasons-sarkisian-can-still-turn-around-the-longhorns/

* He’s got his skill position players to build around for the future

* Potential in the 2022 and 2023 recruiting classes

* Steve Sarkisian needs a culture change more than Charlie Strong and Tom Herman ever did

That sounds like 2 to me, but at least there's a little sunshine pumping in there.

No coach has been able to “change the culture” at Texas.  They all talk about it but it doesn’t happen.   Vince changed the culture... Mack, Charlie, Tom and Steve couldn’t.

 

[david ficken]

Good answer. Then if you run off the amount of players you mentioned, HOw are you going to replace them?f

I will ask again how do you plan on replacing them?

Well,  let's  hope that we really don't have to gut this team by 30 players by next year.  But you do see what this staff is trying to do. Going after 7 DL maybe another 1-2 DL/OLB that would help on the defensive side. Getting 2safeties and maybe adding 1 more and 1-2 Corners.  Helpfully  the OL gets to 5 or 6 players. We have 1 QB, maybe we are after another.  We have 2 RBs. Going after 1-2 wrs. But you also have to identify quality  guys in the portal that can help us. The Thornton and Davis LBs should be considered bad moves. The ND guy is a question mark and Richardson we will see next year. 

So, you have to get the solid high quality players that will be freshman. That's the core of the top teams winning. But only just getting these guys, also developing and motivating them to play at a high level. 

The next 2 classes should tell us alot. So, that by year 3 we don't have to worry about using the portal to much and the NIL isn't such a weird notion to it being used.  We will see the type of players these coaches want to should be able to get as by then Texas can sell the program the way Alabama  does with a cleaner nose.