Hermann needs to go

[Eastexhorn]

I think that Alabama and Clemson are harder to enroll in than five years ago.

Reason winning football team.

 

[doc longhorn]

Point taken.  I should have said the Texas football program and not UT.  And a dumpster fire is a good metaphor IMO   

I’ve heard Barry Switzer in the past say that UT was the best football job in America.  But I will stand behind my idea that the Texas HC job is not viewed as highly as it once was.  I’d be willing to bet my mortgage that we could not go and snag Dabo Swinney out of Clemson.  Where he is and where that program is, is preferable to stepping into this mess.  He is trying to get a raise if he has floated his name out there....

edit - The football team has a tremendous impact on where people choose to attend college.  

Where is your home located and you will pay off the mortgage and give the home to me if you are wrong?

You have no idea how close we were to snagging Saban.  And it appears you still think Clemson is a plum job over Texas.  I can understand your frustration with the product on the football field, but don't EVER think the Texas job is not at the very least as good and viewed by most as better. 

 

[oldhorn2]

Doc....I agree. I have been continually shot down for suggesting we go after Dabo, and I never understood why so many think it is out of the question.I think the rumor in 2013 was that Dabo sent out feelers to come here and wanted to bring his whole staff.

Urban or Dabo....I would be happy with either.

 

[doc longhorn]

Doc....I agree. I have been continually shot down for suggesting we go after Dabo, and I never understood why so many think it is out of the question.I think the rumor in 2013 was that Dabo sent out feelers to come here and wanted to bring his whole staff.

Urban or Dabo....I would be happy with either.

Lol!  In defense of those that shot you down you must understand they view Dabo and Clemson as the ultimate and that Dabo would never leave just as they wouldn't if they had the job  However, coaches by nature are egotistical and extremely competitive.  It is what drives their life and ego.

Dabo is already rich so it wouldn't be for money he would leave.  Just like it wouldn't have been for Saban.. It's the challenge that gets his juices stirring and the money is just frosting on the cake.  Do you really believe that jimbo would want him and his family to live in that crap hole?

 

[83Dee]

Doc....I agree. I have been continually shot down for suggesting we go after Dabo, and I never understood why so many think it is out of the question.I think the rumor in 2013 was that Dabo sent out feelers to come here and wanted to bring his whole staff.

Urban or Dabo....I would be happy with either.

ALL THINGS considered, Dabo is the #1 guy out there.  That includes Urban Meyer.    So.... if y’all are right, Texas would be fools not to go after him lock stock and barrel.  
 

I’m 53 years old, and I would do flip flips and round it off with a back flip if we hired Dabo Swinney.   But it’s not happening and it’s not happening because he is in a better spot right now.  

 

[83Dee]

Where is your home located and you will pay off the mortgage and give the home to me if you are wrong?

You have no idea how close we were to snagging Saban.  And it appears you still think Clemson is a plum job over Texas.  I can understand your frustration with the product on the football field, but don't EVER think the Texas job is not at the very least as good and viewed by most as better. 

Lol... no. Now, if you hand me the keys to your castle when Dabo says “no thanks” after Clemson bumps his pay, I’ll consider the wager. 
 

Texas vs Clemson - I agree with you.  I agree with you 90 out of the last 100 years.  I’m talking about right now.  Texas football is a mess.  Right now I think Clemson is a better job ALL THINGS considered.  And there’s no way we could steal Dabo.  
 

For the record, I hope you’re right. I would walk from TX to SC and carry Dabo back to Austin if he was interested. 
 

By the way, to your earlier suggestion.... Golf is even more maddening than watching UT. 

 

[DBOOK23]

Do you honestly think Tom should be retained?J. Mac .had an appearance in a conf. championship game and he won. He also won aconf. title in less time than Tom has been coaching at Texas. And I was glad to see him go.

No i don’t right now but I’m not enthusiastic to fire him either. I think he’s a decent coach who will learn from his exp here and win big at his next stop. 

 

[Texas2725]

For all the Dabo talk, my assumption is he would have a buyout, probably a significant one.  UM makes way more sense because he's on par with Dabo regarding coaching skillset..........and has no buyout.  Don't overthink it.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

No i don’t right now but I’m not enthusiastic to fire him either. I think he’s a decent coach who will learn from his exp here and win big at his next stop. 

The ability to learn from his mistakes is in question. Even with a new staff, we're seeing the same product. Herman has kept control of the offense, not turning it over to Yurisich as most would have done and most expected. With a brilliant young offensive mind at his disposal, he fights to have his imprint on the offense.

CDC pulled him and the coaches from the two other fall sports and gave them a directive. CTH was the only one who didn't follow that directive. And now with another sit down with CDC, his position hasn't changed. 

When you keep trying to same thing and expect different results, . . . well, you know how to finish that.

 

[Eastexhorn]

IMO Tom will be like Charlie in his next job. His coaching suscess at Houston was he had a dymatic QB.

 

[primal defense]

way too much drama and too much entitlement, we have a coach who followed three straight losing seasons with three straight winning seasons, a conf championship game appearance and a Major Bowl win and he's about to get canned. we don't deserve to win.

Congratulations! You just turned Herman's miserable three and a half year record and made it like he's been successful. Herman should hire you as his agent. 

 

[primal defense]

No i don’t right now but I’m not enthusiastic to fire him either. I think he’s a decent coach who will learn from his exp here and win big at his next stop. 

He hasn't learned anything in three and half years. The evidence shows that the odds are that he won't learn from this experience.

 

[primal defense]

If the next coach is Fleck there will be another search in 3-4 years lmao

Good explanation on why Fleck would fail here. it changed my mind.

 

[Baron]

For all the Dabo talk, my assumption is he would have a buyout, probably a significant one.  UM makes way more sense because he's on par with Dabo regarding coaching skillset..........and has no buyout.  Don't overthink it.

I love Dabo but I wouldn't hire him. He'll be off to Bama as soon as Saban retires.

 

[primal defense]

Projecting college football's early coaching carousel spin





TOM HERMAN, TEXAS

It’s a mess at Texas, whether it’s the 2-2 start on the field or the controversy surrounding the team’s split opinions on whether to stay on the field for “The Eyes of Texas” after games (confused? check out this doozy by Chip Brown of Horns247). 

Either way, fans and big-time boosters are not happy. Tom Herman’s lone 10-win season in 2018 was supposed to be the sign of things to come, especially with Sam Ehlinger at quarterback, but the Longhorns have instead fallen short of expectations. How could the nation’s top per-game scoring offense have two losses in four tries? It’s not acceptable at Texas, where the money flows even during economic turmoil across the globe.

Herman’s buyout is $15.4 million, a price tag boosters will help pay to get rid of the coach if he finishes with four or more losses this season. Failing to win the Big 12, particularly when rival Oklahoma is winning it every year, is bad enough. Falling short of winning the title (and losing head-to-head) in a “down” year for the Sooners when you have what many thought would be a Heisman candidate in Ehlinger? That’s enough to make a change at the top.

The search likely begins with former Ohio State and Florida coach Urban Meyer. There's no definitive proof Meyer desires to get back into coaching, but Texas brass will probably do what they can to sway him. The FOX Sports analyst will demand a huge salary for him and his staff.

If not, why not go after Minnesota coach PJ Fleck? He will inspire fans at Texas and could be a huge win on the recruiting trail.

Candidates: Urban Meyer
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/2020-college-football-coaching-carousel-Tom-Herman-Jim-Harbaugh-Luke-Fickell-Gus-Malzahn-153413538/#153413538_2

 

[primal defense]

My guess is the Herman will take the Charlie Strong, and Lane Kiffin route. He will get a job at a school in a non power 5 conference and if he succeeds then he will get a head coach position at school in a Power 5 conference like Kiffin. If he doesn't do well then he will end up at Nick Saban's school of failed coaches like Charlie Strong.

 

[Baron]

Projecting college football's early coaching carousel spin





TOM HERMAN, TEXAS

It’s a mess at Texas, whether it’s the 2-2 start on the field or the controversy surrounding the team’s split opinions on whether to stay on the field for “The Eyes of Texas” after games (confused? check out this doozy by Chip Brown of Horns247). 

Either way, fans and big-time boosters are not happy. Tom Herman’s lone 10-win season in 2018 was supposed to be the sign of things to come, especially with Sam Ehlinger at quarterback, but the Longhorns have instead fallen short of expectations. How could the nation’s top per-game scoring offense have two losses in four tries? It’s not acceptable at Texas, where the money flows even during economic turmoil across the globe.

Herman’s buyout is $15.4 million, a price tag boosters will help pay to get rid of the coach if he finishes with four or more losses this season. Failing to win the Big 12, particularly when rival Oklahoma is winning it every year, is bad enough. Falling short of winning the title (and losing head-to-head) in a “down” year for the Sooners when you have what many thought would be a Heisman candidate in Ehlinger? That’s enough to make a change at the top.

The search likely begins with former Ohio State and Florida coach Urban Meyer. There's no definitive proof Meyer desires to get back into coaching, but Texas brass will probably do what they can to sway him. The FOX Sports analyst will demand a huge salary for him and his staff.

If not, why not go after Minnesota coach PJ Fleck? He will inspire fans at Texas and could be a huge win on the recruiting trail.

Candidates: Urban Meyer
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/2020-college-football-coaching-carousel-Tom-Herman-Jim-Harbaugh-Luke-Fickell-Gus-Malzahn-153413538/#153413538_2

The Chip Brown story that is linked in your article is damning.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Congratulations! You just turned Herman's miserable three and a half year record and made it like he's been successful. Herman should hire you as his agent. 

Okay, I'm on record as it being time to move on from Tom Herman and that I hope it's Urban. But 27-17 does not equal a miserable three and a half year record. That's just absurd. 

 

[aUTfan]

I must disagree.  It will be a cold day in hell before I pronounce The University of Texasas  a "dumpster fire".  The school is not defined by an athletic program.  If you were a student here, did you enroll because of the school band?  Or even the football team?

The football HC job has been described over the years and by many who knows as the premier coaching job in the nation - INCLUDING the NFL.  and that includes today.  Clemson can't begin to be as good as the Texas job and, I might add, Dabo believes as well.  So I have been told.  I suggest you have way too much emotion invested in a sports program and maybe you should take up golf. 

Hook 'em, forever!

is bragging about this place being the premiere job in the country your athletic highlight???  why is it? is it just the salary that they can make here? is that what makes it the premier position?

 

[NEOkHorn]

Okay, I'm on record as it being time to move on from Tom Herman and that I hope it's Urban. But 27-17 does not equal a miserable three and a half year record. That's just absurd. 

While I agree with your statement, I can't help but think that the team wins in spite of the staff far too often. I would be content to stay with Herman if there was evidence of consistent improvement. Just doesn't seem like it will happen any time soon.