Marqez Bimage

[hornsups]

Here’s the laws for New York 

https://www.voteriders.org/ufaqs/new-york-voter-id-information/

if you really want to vote you will find a way. Everything else is an excuse 

Ok sure. Whatever you say. 

 

[drgilbert]

I replied to that to say that racism encompasses all parts of the definition. Not just the 1st.or the last. C'mon keep it ?. My point being simply that yes discrimination based on skin color is not the end all be all of racism. It is definitely is apart of it. And the most easily identifiable. Hope that clears it up

And I showed that racism can just be a part of the definition so you keep it real. I believe what the dictionary says over you picking and choosing that certain parts mean more than others 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Not true SHA. Racism in Amercia encompasses more than just hatred of another's skin color although that is definitely part of it. While you personally don't think you're better than another person based solely on skin color, and that's awesome, it doesn't change the fact that there are systems and power structures currently in place that oppress minorities.

Can you name one of these systems and power structures?

I honestly wish racism were as simple as "I don't like you cuz you're black". And I don't have my own secret definition of racism

You attempted to exclude the most basic form of racism. It's not the only form, but it is the central item to racism. It all starts with skin color.

.  As a matter of fact I posted the definition of racism and tried to explain it. The issues I mention have been echoed by black people for centuries. 

If everyone were black, you might have a point. But the general consensus, even among blacks I know, is racism's heart is skin color.

I don't think we're in entire disagreement here. I understand what you're saying and I'd like to understand it better (hence, my question to you here). Hopefully you'll understand that you cannot have one racism without the other. The very racism you describe is because of skin color. Not character. Not attitude.

Someone said something the other day to me (a young, black liberal) suggesting I feared black people. lol. I'm like "why?" They are the same as I am if you ignore the skin. I fear the white guy with 523 tattoos, 432 piercings, and a half-shaven head who asks me for directions, as much as I would fear a black kid with similar description.

With me, presentation is everything. Its the way I was taught, growing up. dress like an upstanding individual, have character like an upstanding individual, embrace people who treat you with kindness. If half these people took their appearance more seriously, I think things would be far easier for you and I and other Americans.

 

[hornsups]

You are correct... It's not a zero sum game for parties, or candidates, or ethnic groups, or social movements, etc.

But it's not just a racial unfairness cause you can take this sententence, "We all vote, you gerrymandered it to make 2 <GROUP> districts into one & give <PARTY> an extra district." And replace GROUP with any group and PARTY with any party. 

I didn't say it was fair. In fact it's far more correct to say it's "equally unfair". 

The challenge remains... create a better system for voter districts, and I'll support it. It's something fought over for 220 years, so I don't see a better solution anytime soon. 

And I said it’s not good when anyone does it. But still it’s voter suppression. 

 

[DBut82]

Actually, I pose that question to everyone who chooses to answer.

 

[Captain Hookem]

If they cared enough?? Maybe they have to work. Maybe they are worried about how they will pay rent and feed their family. Maybe they don’t have access to transports to get there. Maybe there’s a fine they cannot pay to get that ID. Maybe they have an expired ID and cannot get a new one. It’s not about if they care or not. 

Sorry, that's not what I meant. 

What I'm saying is that people who care enough to vote don't often realize what they need until election day. That's when they care about having the proper documentation.

It's like when I go fishing the first time in a season and forget about my fishing license. It's not that I don't care... it's just I don't think about it until then. 

 

[drgilbert]

Ok sure. Whatever you say. 

I didn’t say it, the link did

New York does NOT require registered voters to present ID at the polls or when voting by mail, except for some first-time voters.

tell who can’t vote here now. Some of this is turning into freakin excuses

 

[DBut82]

And I showed that racism can just be a part of the definition so you keep it real. I believe what the dictionary says over you picking and choosing that certain parts mean more than others 

I didn't pick and choose. I've on more than one occasion that the definition isn't just one part but the whole or entirety of it's definitely. I picked all of it...again

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Here's an article regarding voter suppression. It focuses more on the 2016 election but the issues mentioned are commonplace and have been

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/poll-prri-voter-suppression/565355/

DBut82, because you're a friend, I'm going to say this to you.

Do not ever attempt to read The Atlantic again. It is a trash organization, a collection of activists posing as journalists. I saw the link and didn't click for that very reason.

Nothing they would say would surprise me because they will just say anything.

If you like, I am willing to dissect that story from paragraph 1–on (although I have better things to do). I would eat it up like a wolf on a lamb. Why? Because I can. If it were worth spitting on, I wouldn't be able to do that.

I realize you'll read whatever you want, but as a friend, I warn you the same as your mother did when she talked about junk food to you – "junk in, junk out."

 

[Captain Hookem]

And I said it’s not good when anyone does it. But still it’s voter suppression. 

But... everyone still gets to vote, and their vote counts. 

Voter suppression is when people don't get to vote, or their vote doesn't count. 

What we are discussing here... everyone's vote counts.

What you are referring to, from a gerrymandering perspective, is that voting districts may not properly reflect the voting demographic. That's a whole different area of problems but isn't voter suppression.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

But... everyone still gets to vote, and their vote counts. 

Voter suppression is when people don't get to vote, or their vote doesn't count. 

What we are discussing here... everyone's vote counts.

What you are referring to, from a gerrymandering perspective, is that voting districts may not properly reflect the voting demographic. That's a whole different area of problems but isn't voter suppression.

Agree, and the gerrymandering works both ways. I have been in the room when its happened. Blacks members of Congress are just as active as whites are on that front. But with them, it's not so much about blacks and whites as it is about (R) and (D).

 

[hornsups]

But... everyone still gets to vote, and their vote counts. 

Voter suppression is when people don't get to vote, or their vote doesn't count. 

What we are discussing here... everyone's vote counts.

What you are referring to, from a gerrymandering perspective, is that voting districts may not properly reflect the voting demographic. That's a whole different area of problems but isn't voter suppression.

Voter suppression by definition is trying to reduce the number of votes against a candidate. 

 

[hornsups]

I didn’t say it, the link did

New York does NOT require registered voters to present ID at the polls or when voting by mail, except for some first-time voters.

tell who can’t vote here now. Some of this is turning into freakin excuses

Ok ?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Voter suppression by definition is trying to reduce the number of votes against a candidate. 

You're both right.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Ya'll realize Marqez Bimage is going to kick our ass, right? lol

 

[drgilbert]

@drgilbert, honest question: do you believe in general that black people in America are in the positions some are in due to simply not caring? Or that we should "pick ourselves up by our bootstraps"? I'm asking from a place of understanding. If you would rather dm me that's fine. I honestly respect your opinions and truly trying to gain an understanding. 

I honestly believe that EVERY race has people that don’t care and are looking for the easy way out. I grew up in the valley where I was the minority and got bullied multiple times because I wasn’t Hispanic. There were low income housing projects down there usually predominantly Hispanic. I fully agree that Black America has been held back and discriminated against. Maybe those that don’t vote are scared or they just don’t think their vote matters. My answer to your question is yes to both but for all ethnicities. I work with multiple minorities that bust their butt and try to improve themselves and I work with lazy irresponsible white people. It may be harder for a black man to succeed than a white man but it’s not impossible. Use yourself as an example, no matter how difficult the circumstances you persevered. I’m not sure I got my point across because I’m coming from my point of view. When I give evaluations and look to promote someone I don’t see skin color or sex, I look at their work ethic. Racism, hatred and prejudice are all sins that I wish we could rid ourselves of. 

 

[DMAC]

I just been reading up.  My brain is tired.  Good night guys.

I am learning some stuff though I will admit I do not know much about gerry mandering etc.

Good conversations @DBut82

Hookem.

 

[TexCoyote]

 

[Sirhornsalot]

25 minutes ago, TexCoyote said:

Kinda late to be drawing a line in the sand, isn't it? Hasn't UT said it would meet with students/athletes to discuss the requests?

If you're not happy here, leave. We need LB'ers but we don't need another year from Mitchell like last year (he almost left the team, but for other reasons).

 

[Rotty22]

I just been reading up.  My brain is tired.  Good night guys.

I am learning some stuff though I will admit I do know much about gerry mandering etc.

Good conversations @DBut82

Hookem.

I'm with you.  So much to respond too but too tired to do it.  ?