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*****GAME THREAD: Texas Longhorns @ #13 Baylor Bears*****

mctmatt said:
Captain Hookem please pass that crack pipe your using my way. Don`t bogart it all.
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LOL! It's either that or he has a financial interest in Herman staying as coach. Talking about he will need 4-5 years. Give me a beak. Heman has one more year to turn this around.

 
Eastexhorn said:
Three years not enough time to build depth? Baylor says hi. Then Baylor mighr have more players comming back than Texas.
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It's not just Baylor that has turned it around in three years. It's Minnesota with PJ Fleck, Ed O LSU. Not only that Dan Mullen has tuned around Florida 9-2 in his second season. Same for Sonny Dykes at SMU.

Tom Herman was given better players which were 4 stars then Charley Strong was given then he took over. He also has a much better AD than Strong had. Anybody who says any coach needs 4-5 years to turn around is rubbish. The trend now is a shorter timeline than in the past. Willie Taggart didn't last two full seasons at Florida State. There is too much money at stake.

The difference in revenue between a team contending for a NC a 6-6 is big.

 
primal defense said:
LOL! It's either that or he has a financial interest in Herman staying as coach. Talking about he will need 4-5 years. Give me a beak. Heman has one more year to turn this around.
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Or do you have a financial interest in Herman getting canned?

You saw last year. Herman coached that team, too.

Your problem is firing a coach is the typical knee-jerk reaction. Who would you even hire to replace him? Saban? lol

He did well his first year. He did very well his second year. He stunk up the place his third year. Which coach do you have? You clearly don't know. Neither do I. He gets another year because neither of us can answer that question.

Next year is Year 4. So 4-5 years is exactly what we're dealing with.

 
Sirhornsalot said:
Or do you have a financial interest in Herman getting canned?

You saw last year. Herman coached that team, too.

Your problem is firing a coach is the typical knee-jerk reaction. Who would you even hire to replace him? Saban? lol

He did well his first year. He did very well his second year. He stunk up the place his third year. Which coach do you have? You clearly don't know. Neither do I. He gets another year because neither of us can answer that question.

Next year is Year 4. So 4-5 years is exactly what we're dealing with.
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You ignored me saying that Herman has one more year to turn it around. So don't pretend that I'm calling for Herman to fired.

I found that a dishonest argument. We agree that Herman will get a fourth season and will have to prove that  he deserves a fifth.

 
primal defense said:
You ignored me saying that Herman has one more year to turn it around. So don't pretend that I'm calling for Herman to fired.

I found that a dishonest argument. We agree that Herman will get a fourth season and will have to prove that  he deserves a fifth.
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So why did you even ask if he had a financial interest in Herman staying? You both agreed, yet, you tried to call him out.

I agree with you in that he will need to prove he deserves a fifth season, based on what we see in Year 4.

And I think you and I can agree he probably stinks up the place again if we march in with the same staff.

 
Sirhornsalot said:
Your problem is firing a coach is the typical knee-jerk reaction. Who would you even hire to replace him? Saban?
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I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another that his wife is in town looking at houses.  ?

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Too soon?  ?

 
primal defense said:
LOL! It's either that or he has a financial interest in Herman staying as coach. Talking about he will need 4-5 years. Give me a beak. Heman has one more year to turn this around.
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Financial interest, huh? I post 5 or 6 reasons to stay the course for a bit longer, and that's your rebuttal... If I am due some kind of Herman stipend I sure haven't got any fat checks yet. 

Also for those keeping score at home, one more year would be 4 years. Do you even know what you're arguing? 

And no I don't have a crackpipe to pass around... just a little perspective.

 
THE TEXAS LONGHORNS WERE A FRAUD




Less than a year ago Texas went to New Orleans and hit Georgia in the mouth for a Sugar Bowl win. That victory sparked a rousing proclamation by Texas quarterback Sam Ehlinger: “We’re baaaaack.” Flash forward 11 months, and the Longhorns are decidedly not back following a 24-10 loss to No. 14 Baylor (10-1). It’s not exactly a surprise to see the Bears handle the Longhorns at home. That’s also the issue. Texas isn’t supposed to lose to Baylor. Texas isn’t even supposed to play Baylor close. Welcome to Texas’ new reality. 

There are a myriad of things wrong with the Longhorns. Injuries are a big problem. Youth is too. Yet it's hard to look at Baylor, a team that finished 1-11 just two seasons ago, and make any sort of excuse for a program with Texas’ talent to faceplant in this manner. The Longhorns rank seventh in 247Sports Team Talent Composite. The Bears rank 35th. This is a coaching and development issue. It’s evident when Texas has 104 penalty yards. It’s evident when Texas punts on fourth-and-5 from Baylor’s 44 in the first quarter of a tie game but goes for it on fourth-and-3 from Baylor’s 39 facing an 11-point third-quarter deficit. It’s evident when you watch Texas’ offense continually run the same quarterback power and zone-read rushing plays from the same formation. It's evident when defenders miss tackles and miss their run fits. 

This was the year the Longhorns were supposed to take a step forward. Instead, they’ve fallen flat. A long offseason full of critical decisions awaits Tom Herman.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-stats-scores-takeaways-rankings-Week-13-139085709/#139085709_3

 
Tom Herman should be on the hot seat.




Farrell’s take: FACT. Just last week, I was saying Herman still had Texas moving in the right direction and I do believe that is the case in recruiting at least. But another loss makes the Longhorns 6-5, the same record as Tennessee but with much more talent. And let’s face it, they have a lot more talent than Baylor and still lost by two touchdowns. The heat should be raised on Herman now and he will have to make some staff changes. If those don’t work and we see a season like this again next year, he should be gone. This is puzzling. I thought he was a great fit.

Gorney’s take: FACT. When Herman smashed his bare head against a player wearing a helmet in the pre-game leading up to Baylor on Saturday afternoon, he didn’t look like a fired-up coach trying to inspire his team. He looked like a third-rate high school coach trying to pull out some motivational tactic he got at some bad coaching clinic. It was embarrassing to say the least.

What was even worse was his team’s loss to Baylor, where Herman called a timeout with five seconds left so the Longhorns could score a touchdown and make the defeat a little less worse. Texas - Texas! - has the same record as Illinois, Tennessee, Kentucky, Cal and others. And this is with one of the best quarterbacks in college football in Sam Ehlinger.

Of course Herman should be on the hot seat. Why is Herman some irreplaceable coaching genius? Because of a couple good years at Houston? Give me a break. If it wasn’t for Charlie Strong’s disastrous tenure at Texas, Herman would already be on the hottest seat in college football.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fact-fiction-tom-herman-hot-125425654.html

 
Captain Hookem said:
Again... 3 years of recruiting is not enough time to fully build depth. 

As I said earlier, this offense works with Collin and Duvernay, but take either of them out and we become a one-dimensional offense that's easy to shut down. That shouldn't happen, and needs to be rectified with a new offensive direction and new OC. That's a coaching problem. 

The defense was remarkably different when we got starters back 3 games ago, and they've played really well since. People are reluctant to give Orlando any credit now, but the defense has played good enough to win games. That problem seemed to be fixed by getting experience back in the lineup. That's a depth issue. 
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Tell that to Matt Rhule

MATT RHULE, Baylor
Rhule's win over Herman on Saturday was poetic and appropriate. Herman inherited a talented roster as a school with more resources than every other school in the country. Rhule inherited a roster that was decimated by defections in the wake of the school's sexual assault scandal. Rhule has built a team that was 1-11 just two seasons ago into a fringe playoff contender.
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https://www.houstonpress.com/news/herman-era-at-texas-has-become-a-clown-show-11389330

 
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DMAC said:
Tell that to Matt Rhule
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Ah, yet another person who is now mysteriously claiming to have wanted Rhule over Herman 3 years ago. Funny how that works....

That is assuming that Baylor actually has depth, which we really don't know. Everyone seems to be a Baylor expert now. 

And for some reason those same people also now agree with Strong when he said the 'cake is baked', when for the last 5 years were arguing the opposite - that the recruiting was spotty and inconsistent. Even though this is pretty obvious given the lack of players sent to the NFL, those same people now claim Herman was gifted a roster of golden athletes. 

Tell you what (and this applies to everyone who now thinks Baylor is the new standard in college football) why not instead of taking a sample size of 1 go and compare ALL of the 3 year head coaches in college football and compare their rosters for depth. 

While you're at it, go ask them in Michigan, or Notre Dame, or USC how their 3 year projects (or longer) are working out.  Brian Kelley was 12-1 in 2012... I mean it should just keep getting better right?! 

Whoa!... 2016. Not so much... not so much. But Rhule scores a 10-1 so far this year, and some football geniuses on this board think he's about to go undefeated for the foreseeable future. 

Well I guess we'll see. That's a pretty naive view of statistics and football, but then again I prefer to do my thinking for myself instead of blasting articles and thoughts from other people.  

 
Captain Hookem said:
Ah, yet another person who is now mysteriously claiming to have wanted Rhule over Herman 3 years ago. Funny how that works....

That is assuming that Baylor actually has depth, which we really don't know. Everyone seems to be a Baylor expert now. 

And for some reason those same people also now agree with Strong when he said the 'cake is baked', when for the last 5 years were arguing the opposite - that the recruiting was spotty and inconsistent. Even though this is pretty obvious given the lack of players sent to the NFL, those same people now claim Herman was gifted a roster of golden athletes. 

Tell you what (and this applies to everyone who now thinks Baylor is the new standard in college football) why not instead of taking a sample size of 1 go and compare ALL of the 3 year head coaches in college football and compare their rosters for depth. 

While you're at it, go ask them in Michigan, or Notre Dame, or USC how their 3 year projects (or longer) are working out.  Brian Kelley was 12-1 in 2012... I mean it should just keep getting better right?! 

Whoa!... 2016. Not so much... not so much. But Rhule scores a 10-1 so far this year, and some football geniuses on this board think he's about to go undefeated for the foreseeable future. 

Well I guess we'll see. That's a pretty naive view of statistics and football, but then again I prefer to do my thinking for myself instead of blasting articles and thoughts from other people.  
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Could you do me a favor and sum up your point in one sentence?   

Did I miss where someone said they were calling for Rhule over Herman 3 years ago?  I think the basic point is that Rhule is doing much more than Herman with much less.  Do you dispute that?

 
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