Big 12 Expansion Project

[J.B. TexasEx]

...but the ACC and SEC will continue to have an advantage over everyone else. The extra patsy makes bowl eligibility easier and inflates records, which in turn inflates the champion's record (i.e.- we beat x-many 9-win teams, we beat 10 bowl teams, etc).

This is the only reason I see for considering adding any of the available G5 teams.

Even then, I'd give it another year or two to see how the market shakes out. Not to beat a dead horse, but I don't see a Big12 Network happening and it ain't just UT's fault. Word is KU, K-State, and Iowa St don't want it either. The latter two made significant capital investments in their online streaming business model.

 

[rtXC]

sport, you are swinging and missing left and right.  it doesn't matter who the conference adds among the programs that are available.  no point whatever in talking of programs that aren't coming.

Read "The Dude's" article and you'll see I was on topic.

Even still, FSU and others are certainly in play until the ACC gets its network.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

IDK why people like the idea of joining the Rust Belt with OU. Games against the likes of Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Nebraska doesn't excite me. I'd much rather go ACC, SEC, or maybe even PAC.

Academic profile? Yeah, so what? aggy is still in a "better conference"? Umm...okay. Sorry, guy, but we don't measure ourselves by what league we're in. UT looks at it like a scheduling agreement. This article must've been written by a B1G beat-writer. "The B1G brand lifts up UT".....hilarious  :lol:

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[J.B. TexasEx]

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[ah-blong]

Academic profile? Yeah, so what?

well, as for me, i'm a huge fan of longhorn sports, but i'm a much larger fan of longhorn academics.  our colleges are our future, the future for our children, their children, and those children's children.  sports is fun and sports has an impact on the rest of the school.  our decisions have to be made in that light.  my opinion isn't very important except to me, but the opinions and the decisions of the school and the various sports programs we sponsor are crucial.

we are stuck in a backwater right now thanks to the previous caretakers, and any decisions made now need to benefit the overall school.  if the b1g can deliver in multiple ways that others can't, that puts them over the top in my opinion.  i don't know that it can or will, but i'm pretty sure the pac offers mostly nothing and i doubt sec has anything to offer, period, other that the baubles they use to con prospects and their families.  that just leaves acc and b1g.  one of 'em has to pan for us.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

well, as for me, i'm a huge fan of longhorn sports, but i'm a much larger fan of longhorn academics.  our colleges are our future, the future for our children, their children, and those children's children.  sports is fun and sports has an impact on the rest of the school.  our decisions have to be made in that light.  my opinion isn't very important except to me, but the opinions and the decisions of the school and the various sports programs we sponsor are crucial.

we are stuck in a backwater right now thanks to the previous caretakers, and any decisions made now need to benefit the overall school.  if the b1g can deliver in multiple ways that others can't, that puts them over the top in my opinion.  i don't know that it can or will, but i'm pretty sure the pac offers mostly nothing and i doubt sec has anything to offer, period, other that the baubles they use to con prospects and their families.  that just leaves acc and b1g.  one of 'em has to pan for us.

UT hasn't needed the B1G or CIC to "raise its academic profile" in the past and we don't need them now. Joining a league of Rust Belt states who are losing population, industry, money, and political influence doesn't strike me as a good idea. We can schedule Michigan and Ohio St non-conference, and do.

Same story in the PAC - California and the left coast is trying to implode with their failed policies. That's why TX and ATX, in particular, is growing so fast. No thanks there, too, for me.

Agree to disagree

 

[Embrey]

I still don't understand why Texas' academics and/or reputation would suffer by joining the SEC. Texas has always placed value in their reputation. Why do so many feel it would disappear the second they joined the SEC? If academic reputation, scholarship and research are Texas' main priorities go and join the Ivy League. One problem with that, it is not what the people want. Here would be the wrong place for a poll because everybody has to at least pretend that academics is so important to them but I bet most Texas alums would rather join the SEC or be independent. Texas fans are not going to be pumped by traveling to support Wake Forest or Minnesota et al in the least

I am still waiting for the website hornacademics.com to surpass all the Texas sports websites.

 

[Embrey]

Texas

Texas A&M

OU

Arkansas

LSU

Missouri

Miss St.

Ole Miss

(Tech and OSU optional)

That would be a nice starting place for the SEC West.

 

[Embrey]

TCU

Baylor

UH

Iowa State

Tulsa

Memphis

(Tech and OSU optional)

This could be the 2nd tier under and aligned with the SEC West. Top 2 from this conference go to SEC West every year and the bottom 2 from the SEC West are relegated each year.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

TCU

Baylor

UH

Iowa State

Tulsa

Memphis

(Tech and OSU optional)

This could be the 2nd tier under and aligned with the SEC West. Top 2 from this conference go to SEC West every year and the bottom 2 from the SEC West are relegated each year.

That EPL type system was proposed by an SB Nation writer, Bill Connelly, and - IMO - it's not as crazy as it sounds. Talk about excitement and making late season games meaningful. Must-see TV!

It's probably a little too progressive for CFB, though. 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/5/9/11638848/big-12-conference-expansion-realignment-add-absolutely-everybody

 

[Embrey]

That EPL type system was proposed by an SB Nation writer, Bill Connelly, and - IMO - it's not as crazy as it sounds. Talk about excitement and making late season games meaningful. Must-see TV!

It's probably a little too progressive for CFB, though.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/5/9/11638848/big-12-conference-expansion-realignment-add-absolutely-everybody

By too progressive I interpret that (not necessarily you) as the big teams like Texas and the others in the mythic new SEC West do want to stop the recruiting creep by TCU, Baylor, Tech, UH et al by shutting them out of a major conference but do not want to put anything on the line in order to do so. If we go to 4 super 16 conferences, we are going to be right back to where we were when the non BCS aligned conferences/schools sued for access to the playoff. I wish the promotion/relegation thing was my idea but I heard the idea from my cousin a year or 2 ago. It would be crazy exciting.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

By too progressive I interpret that (not necessarily you) as the big teams like Texas and the others in the mythic new SEC West do want to stop the recruiting creep by TCU, Baylor, Tech, UH et al by shutting them out of a major conference but do not want to put anything on the line in order to do so. If we go to 4 super 16 conferences, we are going to be right back to where we were when the non BCS aligned conferences/schools sued for access to the playoff.

I wish the promotion/relegation thing was my idea but I heard the idea from my cousin a year or 2 ago. It would be crazy exciting.

Exactly

And I assume that the teams relegated will take a revenue hit with fewer prime TV games. The "bluebloods" won't go for it. Ain't gonna risk their standings like that.

 

[ah-blong]

Agree to disagree

i don't think we exactly disagree.  what you say about the rust belt is certainly of merit and must figure into the overall picture.  overall, not overalls.   for more reasons than you list the pac is out of the running in my little list.

what i'm saying, though, is that the potential benefits from association in athletics with other organizations that are among the leaders nationally matters a lot.  sec brings nothing to speak of.  west coast is out of reach by and large.  my bet is they wish to diminish by association.  that leaves b1g and acc, and from my poor vantage i have no clue which, if either, is likely better.  which is heavier, elephant or boxcar?

 

[rtXC]

IDK why people like the idea of joining the Rust Belt with OU. Games against the likes of Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Nebraska doesn't excite me. I'd much rather go ACC, SEC, or maybe even PAC.

Academic profile? Yeah, so what? aggy is still in a "better conference"? Umm...okay. Sorry, guy, but we don't measure ourselves by what league we're in. UT looks at it like a scheduling agreement. This article must've been written by a B1G beat-writer. "The B1G brand lifts up UT".....hilarious  :lol:

I've seen a lot of people put the SEC last on their list, and I just can't figure out why. There is obvious disdain for the conference since it won so many "national championships," but it offers the best landing spot for Texas outside of the Big 12.

In the Big Ten we trade Ames for Iowa City, Stillwater for Madison, Lawrence for Champagne, Lubbock for Lincoln, and Manhattan for Evanston. We lose that trade.

Meanwhile, the SEC is so obvious, with Texas playing OU, Arky, A&M, LSU, and Mizzou yearly.

If the Pac-16 offered money on par with the SEC and Big Ten, then that should be considered. But the media bias against the west coast cannot be forgotten in this decision.

ACC is terrible, but at least has a couple intriguing schools in FSU and Clemson.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

If the Pac-16 offered money on par with the SEC and Big Ten, then that should be considered. But the media bias against the west coast cannot be forgotten in this decision.

Inconvenient travel and lousy late night games are my biggest reasons against the PAC. If I have to rank my preferred landing spots if the Big12 implodes it's

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. PAC
4. B1G

I don't care if it makes aggy "win realignment". So what? It's the most convenient for our fans & alumni and offers the best CFB match-ups. I do, however, doubt that our administration will ever agree to join those rednecks. They care about perceived "academic prestige".

 

[rtXC]

Inconvenient travel and lousy late night games are my biggest reasons against the PAC. If I have to rank my preferred landing spots if the Big12 implodes it's

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. PAC
4. B1G

I don't care if it makes aggy "win realignment". So what? It's the most convenient for our fans & alumni and offers the best CFB match-ups. I do, however, doubt that our administration will ever agree to join those rednecks. They care about perceived "academic prestige".

See mine is:

1. SEC (16, with OU; 2 8-team divisions)

2. SEC (24-team merger, replacing BU and TCU with UH and Cincy; 4 6-team divisions)

3. Pac-16 (4 divisions with OU, OSU, & Tech; guarantee of no late games for our division)

4. Indy (ACC non-football)

5. Big Ten (At least 18, with OU, KU, and ideally Mizzou)

6. ACC (No less than 20 teams, with OU, KU, ND, OSU, and Tech)

The only way Indy will work is if LHN picks up Group of Five games so it is spread into more markets and earns more money.

I don't care what aggy thinks; we need to do what is best for us. Your sadly correct on our leadership though...

 

[rtXC]

I still don't understand why Texas' academics and/or reputation would suffer by joining the SEC. Texas has always placed value in their reputation. Why do so many feel it would disappear the second they joined the SEC? If academic reputation, scholarship and research are Texas' main priorities go and join the Ivy League. One problem with that, it is not what the people want. Here would be the wrong place for a poll because everybody has to at least pretend that academics is so important to them but I bet most Texas alums would rather join the SEC or be independent. Texas fans are not going to be pumped by traveling to support Wake Forest or Minnesota et al in the least

I am still waiting for the website hornacademics.com to surpass all the Texas sports websites.

SEC and Big 12 probably average similar academics. It's just that the SEC has Ole Miss and 1-2 others that really bring its standing down.

Texas

Texas A&M

OU

Arkansas

LSU

Missouri

Miss St.

Ole Miss

(Tech and OSU optional)

That would be a nice starting place for the SEC West.

The SEC West would be awesome. If there was some way to get the MS schools out, it'd be even better!

TCU

Baylor

UH

Iowa State

Tulsa

Memphis

(Tech and OSU optional)

This could be the 2nd tier under and aligned with the SEC West. Top 2 from this conference go to SEC West every year and the bottom 2 from the SEC West are relegated each year.

That EPL type system was proposed by an SB Nation writer, Bill Connelly, and - IMO - it's not as crazy as it sounds. Talk about excitement and making late season games meaningful. Must-see TV!

It's probably a little too progressive for CFB, though. 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/5/9/11638848/big-12-conference-expansion-realignment-add-absolutely-everybody

I've been thinking of Pro/Rel for about 5-6 years. It'd go better with a complete overhaul of the current system, but could work with G5 schools. 

T1: PAC, B1G, SEC, ACC or Big 12

T2: MWC, MAC, C-USA, AAC

Would make every game matter for T1 schools, and give T2 schools something to work towards.

 

[Embrey]

Full disclosure, I started at Texas and graduated from TCU.

rtXC, will you please explain to me your reasoning why you would drop TCU & Baylor?  To add insult to injury you add UH (who is actually my personal favorite to add to the BIG XII right now).  I thought Houston's TV sets were already spoken for, that adding them would bring nothing to the conference.  Anyway, it is a quite popular opinion that TCU should be dropped in realignment on this board.  I keep trying to understand the logic behind it.  Other than handing Texas and OU their rightful ability to cherry pick the Metroplex' vast talent pool, I have yet to understand why scuttling TCU makes sense. 

I think once Texas rights the ship they will gain again their recruiting dominance in the state of Texas and compete at the highest level of college football.  For now, though, I do not consent to what I perceive as Texas' fans desire to Game of Thronesing their way.  Here is a novel idea, win the battle on the field.  If Texas has to scheme to rid itself of the TCUs and Baylors of this world, it not only deserves the BIG XII but it will never be ready to compete amongst the blue bloods.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

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