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Y'all got a big moose problem in East Texas? I did hear of a big cameltoe infestation a while back. 
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Moose rifle from CanadaY'all got a big moose problem in East Texas? I did hear of a big cameltoe infestation a while back.
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On Patrick Hudson... from Silsbee... down to Baylor and Texas.
I grew up in that area. My mother's parents from Kountze, spent entire childhood there. (home of barefoot '63 kicker, Tony Crosby).
You're talking Hardin County. A world far beyond Austin, even over the decades.
It's a long, long way to the world we live in here.
I could understand if a player from Silsbee feels a better fit up in Waco (where, ironically my father's mother lived before she passed away... a very long time ago).
To play here would give Hudson a tremendous opportunity in both school and football, and a valuable preparation for a likely career in the NFL, and I think stay out of trouble and be around better characters than ending up at Baylor. Briles connects as a high school coach, but I do not trust the culture he's creating and his attitude in general. If Hudson can make the leap of faith and he and his family put their trust in Coach Strong... he'll never regret it.
I got the h-e-double-l out of deep East Texas coming to Austin long ago, and never regretted it. Everyone back home more or less never really left home. Decades later, a generation later, they're still in that world. Mentally. Online. Whatever. It's just what it's like in those woods. If you get down to Orange, Pt. Arthur or Beaumont... you can make the transition coming here, and many have. They've made it through UT and on into life, and the NFL in some cases. You know their names. They've turned out really fine. But they had to leave and make the transition.
I grew up in that area. My mother's parents from Kountze, spent entire childhood there. (home of barefoot '63 kicker, Tony Crosby).
You're talking Hardin County. A world far beyond Austin, even over the decades.
It's a long, long way to the world we live in here.
I could understand if a player from Silsbee feels a better fit up in Waco (where, ironically my father's mother lived before she passed away... a very long time ago).
To play here would give Hudson a tremendous opportunity in both school and football, and a valuable preparation for a likely career in the NFL, and I think stay out of trouble and be around better characters than ending up at Baylor. Briles connects as a high school coach, but I do not trust the culture he's creating and his attitude in general. If Hudson can make the leap of faith and he and his family put their trust in Coach Strong... he'll never regret it.
I got the h-e-double-l out of deep East Texas coming to Austin long ago, and never regretted it. Everyone back home more or less never really left home. Decades later, a generation later, they're still in that world. Mentally. Online. Whatever. It's just what it's like in those woods. If you get down to Orange, Pt. Arthur or Beaumont... you can make the transition coming here, and many have. They've made it through UT and on into life, and the NFL in some cases. You know their names. They've turned out really fine. But they had to leave and make the transition.
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Impatience leads top QBs to move around college football at record rate
Even without the revolving door in College Station, Texas, the procurement of quarterback talent has never been more difficult. No other position demands so much production so early. No other position has so many outside influences. That's because no other position is more valued.
“There's only one of them,†said Matt Dudek, Arizona's director of on-campus recruiting and player personnel, of the quarterback position. “If you're an offensive lineman, there's five spots. If you're a linebacker, there's three spots."
Up until a few years ago, coaches didn't have to deal with the loss of their established quarterbacks on the back end as well. Graduate transfers are allowed to switch programs without penalty if they have earned their degree for their final year of eligibility.
In 2015 alone, Everett Golson (Notre Dame to Florida State), Vernon Adams (Eastern Washington to Oregon) and Jake Rudock (Iowa to Michigan) all led their new teams to at least nine-win seasons.
“It's almost like free agency in the NFL,†said Michigan State quarterback Connor Cook.
Some of that outside leverage was detailed by CBS Sports last week in describing the growing influence of offseason seven-on-seven.
The offseason activity -- essentially backyard touch football -- has evolved into a big-time promotional moneymaker for apparel companies.
“They have more than just the high school coach influencing them now,†Sanchez said. “It's the high school coach and it's the seven-on-seven coach and sometimes it's the third party, which is the private trainer.â€
All that doesn't account for one huge, familiar influence.
“Quarterback dads,†one college coordinator said, “have always been the worst.â€
National recruiting insider Ryan Bartow of 247Sports says he visits six or seven high schools a day during the height of his recruiting evaluations.
“If I get a call from that quarterback's dad by the time I'm at the next school, I don't cover that kid,†Bartow said.
Dad influence has become that pervasive, a point backed by Sanchez.
“They're the ones who have gone out and sought out a quarterback coach,†he said. “They spent a bunch of money and a bunch of time. Obviously, a picture has been painted to them about their kid's future. If it doesn't turn out right away, a lot of frustration can build up. The knee-jerk reaction is to yank them.
“Very few of them just say, ‘All right son, I've done everything I can for you.'"
It may be a reflection of a short-attention-span society. It doesn't take much to be famous in today's world, but it takes old-fashioned values to last.
Today, it seems if you ain't startin', you might be departin'.
The last 10 championship games (BCS, CFP) have featured the underwhelming likes of these starting quarterbacks: Matt Flynn, Todd Boeckman, Greg McElroy and Jordan Jefferson.
But as noted by CBS Sports' Jon Solomon, first-time starters are becoming a trend in winning championships. One of those -- Ohio State's J.T. Barrett -- is among three freshman All-American quarterbacks since 2013. Bucking the trend, all three were top-five prospects. (UCLA's Josh Rosen, Penn State's Christian Hackenberg are the others.)
No wonder the best quarterbacks are almost always committed by the summer of their senior year. That's the standard now if you want to play right away.
“Senior film is irrelevant,†one Power Five assistant said.
“If he doesn't commit to someone by Fourth of July [before his senior season], he's not going D-I,†Bartow said.
That's because stacking quarterbacks properly in the pipeline has become a fine art. For example, Allen will have to sit out 2016 at Houston in time to assume the starting job vacated by Greg Ward Jr., a rising senior. Murray would theoretically step in for Mayfield at OU in 2017.
“It's put a lot of pressure on quarterbacks,†Michigan State co-offensive coordinator Dave Warner said. “If they want to choose one school, they've got to beat someone to make that commitment. It's not a healthy situation.â€
All of it creates that ongoing and unending pressure to get all of it right. Florida was undefeated at midseason when quarterback Will Grier was popped by the NCAA for a positive drug test. Rather than return and be eligible at midseason for an SEC power, Grier has chosen to transfer.
“You're running away from a problem,†Bartow said. “You're going to [otherwise possibly] be the starter at Florida.â€
Recruiting services and their accompanying hype have to bear some of the blame as well. It may have started 25 years ago with Todd Marinovich, USC's “Robo QB.†It may have started a decade ago when Jimmy Clausen rolled up in a limousine and famously flashed four state championship rings on a visit to Notre Dame.
Disappointments and underachievements now abound. Anthony Alford -- the No. 3 dual-threat in 2012 -- transferred from Southern Miss to Ole Miss before giving it all up to play baseball. David Ash – the No. 5 pro prospect in 2011 – never did develop at Texas and eventually gave up the game because of concussion symptoms.
Jake Heaps left BYU after a season for Kansas before ending up at Miami.
Cincinnati's Gunner Kiel, 2012's No. 1 pro-style quarterback, might as well be the poster boy for the impatient quarterback. Going into his senior season, Kiel is known as much for once committing to Indiana and LSU before transferring from Notre Dame. He has started the last two seasons for the Bearcats.
Whatever happened to good old fashioned competition? Everyone interviewed for this story agreed: It just seems that quarterbacks everywhere are less likely to stay for protracted fight for the starting job.
There are too many other options waiting out there.
“They are built up -- I hate to say it -- to a place of fame,†Sanchez said, wishing the best for Martell. “They were never walk-on celebrities like they are these days.â€
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/25461795/impatience-leads-top-qbs-to-move-around-college-football-at-record
Even without the revolving door in College Station, Texas, the procurement of quarterback talent has never been more difficult. No other position demands so much production so early. No other position has so many outside influences. That's because no other position is more valued.
“There's only one of them,†said Matt Dudek, Arizona's director of on-campus recruiting and player personnel, of the quarterback position. “If you're an offensive lineman, there's five spots. If you're a linebacker, there's three spots."
Up until a few years ago, coaches didn't have to deal with the loss of their established quarterbacks on the back end as well. Graduate transfers are allowed to switch programs without penalty if they have earned their degree for their final year of eligibility.
In 2015 alone, Everett Golson (Notre Dame to Florida State), Vernon Adams (Eastern Washington to Oregon) and Jake Rudock (Iowa to Michigan) all led their new teams to at least nine-win seasons.
“It's almost like free agency in the NFL,†said Michigan State quarterback Connor Cook.
Some of that outside leverage was detailed by CBS Sports last week in describing the growing influence of offseason seven-on-seven.
The offseason activity -- essentially backyard touch football -- has evolved into a big-time promotional moneymaker for apparel companies.
“They have more than just the high school coach influencing them now,†Sanchez said. “It's the high school coach and it's the seven-on-seven coach and sometimes it's the third party, which is the private trainer.â€
All that doesn't account for one huge, familiar influence.
“Quarterback dads,†one college coordinator said, “have always been the worst.â€
National recruiting insider Ryan Bartow of 247Sports says he visits six or seven high schools a day during the height of his recruiting evaluations.
“If I get a call from that quarterback's dad by the time I'm at the next school, I don't cover that kid,†Bartow said.
Dad influence has become that pervasive, a point backed by Sanchez.
“They're the ones who have gone out and sought out a quarterback coach,†he said. “They spent a bunch of money and a bunch of time. Obviously, a picture has been painted to them about their kid's future. If it doesn't turn out right away, a lot of frustration can build up. The knee-jerk reaction is to yank them.
“Very few of them just say, ‘All right son, I've done everything I can for you.'"
It may be a reflection of a short-attention-span society. It doesn't take much to be famous in today's world, but it takes old-fashioned values to last.
Today, it seems if you ain't startin', you might be departin'.
The last 10 championship games (BCS, CFP) have featured the underwhelming likes of these starting quarterbacks: Matt Flynn, Todd Boeckman, Greg McElroy and Jordan Jefferson.
But as noted by CBS Sports' Jon Solomon, first-time starters are becoming a trend in winning championships. One of those -- Ohio State's J.T. Barrett -- is among three freshman All-American quarterbacks since 2013. Bucking the trend, all three were top-five prospects. (UCLA's Josh Rosen, Penn State's Christian Hackenberg are the others.)
No wonder the best quarterbacks are almost always committed by the summer of their senior year. That's the standard now if you want to play right away.
“Senior film is irrelevant,†one Power Five assistant said.
“If he doesn't commit to someone by Fourth of July [before his senior season], he's not going D-I,†Bartow said.
That's because stacking quarterbacks properly in the pipeline has become a fine art. For example, Allen will have to sit out 2016 at Houston in time to assume the starting job vacated by Greg Ward Jr., a rising senior. Murray would theoretically step in for Mayfield at OU in 2017.
“It's put a lot of pressure on quarterbacks,†Michigan State co-offensive coordinator Dave Warner said. “If they want to choose one school, they've got to beat someone to make that commitment. It's not a healthy situation.â€
All of it creates that ongoing and unending pressure to get all of it right. Florida was undefeated at midseason when quarterback Will Grier was popped by the NCAA for a positive drug test. Rather than return and be eligible at midseason for an SEC power, Grier has chosen to transfer.
“You're running away from a problem,†Bartow said. “You're going to [otherwise possibly] be the starter at Florida.â€
Recruiting services and their accompanying hype have to bear some of the blame as well. It may have started 25 years ago with Todd Marinovich, USC's “Robo QB.†It may have started a decade ago when Jimmy Clausen rolled up in a limousine and famously flashed four state championship rings on a visit to Notre Dame.
Disappointments and underachievements now abound. Anthony Alford -- the No. 3 dual-threat in 2012 -- transferred from Southern Miss to Ole Miss before giving it all up to play baseball. David Ash – the No. 5 pro prospect in 2011 – never did develop at Texas and eventually gave up the game because of concussion symptoms.
Jake Heaps left BYU after a season for Kansas before ending up at Miami.
Cincinnati's Gunner Kiel, 2012's No. 1 pro-style quarterback, might as well be the poster boy for the impatient quarterback. Going into his senior season, Kiel is known as much for once committing to Indiana and LSU before transferring from Notre Dame. He has started the last two seasons for the Bearcats.
Whatever happened to good old fashioned competition? Everyone interviewed for this story agreed: It just seems that quarterbacks everywhere are less likely to stay for protracted fight for the starting job.
There are too many other options waiting out there.
“They are built up -- I hate to say it -- to a place of fame,†Sanchez said, wishing the best for Martell. “They were never walk-on celebrities like they are these days.â€
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/25461795/impatience-leads-top-qbs-to-move-around-college-football-at-record
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I remember going to Lamar down in Beaumont before I left for Canada. Used to travel to different football games to port Arthur, Orange, even went to Vidor. Out of all towns, Vidor was one of the towns a good friend of mine dared me to go watch a football game between Vidor and Bridge City
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So Hamm just CBed Hudson to Texas.
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No clue if he knows anything but Hamm isn't going to CB anyone to Texas unless he hears something. He hates Texas.
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The biggest troll on all the 247 sites JKB53 aka street agent or whatever his name is is saying Hudson is all Baylor. Said he just spoke to Hudson and was just at his school...LOL
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