Sonny Cumbie and Texas

[pringlelake]

Hurtt can recruit with the best of them. That's the main reason I want him. I know he got a little over-zealous when working for Charlie in Louisville, but I'm confident that Charlie would be keeping a close eye on him to make certain it didn't happen again.

 

[mctmatt]

My understanding regarding Patterson not hiring Morris is that we would have had to pay the $5 million buyout and Morris demanded he could leave at anytime for a HC job offer without any penalty.  I can understand the thought process on all of this as Morris was already being considered for HC position so why would you pay his buyout to only have him leave in a year or even 2 year period to be a HC without any compensation for what you have spent. Charlie might have been prevented from getting the OC he wants, but I still expect him to show developement and improvement to with the players we do have and this is my complaint with him as a Coach.  I just have not seen any of the players improving from the first game of the season to the last game they played which was Tech.  I don't see any of the players improving or developing that played last year and are playing this year.  I don't even see them improving with strength and conditioning from one season to the next which I thought for sure was a weakness of Mack's team and would be a strength with Charlie's.  Here is a sad truth Texas Tech Head Coach  in his 2nd year at Tech has his team bowl eligible and showing improvement from last season plus they beat us on Thanksgiving night in Austin this year think about that. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

FWIW - Chip Is reporting that multiple sources told him that Strong is going to try and bring Clint Hurtt back to the college game. Hurtt is currently the OLB coach for the Chicago Bears, but Chip speculates Strong could give Hurtt a Co-DC title and a significant raise to entice him to return to the college ranks.

Looks like Strong is in need of the bagman game to help improve recruiting

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Looks like Strong is in need of the bagman game to help improve recruiting

Hurtt was at Louisville for four years and didn't have any problems - but don't let that disrupt your narrative.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Hurtt can recruit with the best of them. That's the main reason I want him. I know he got a little over-zealous when working for Charlie in Louisville, but I'm confident that Charlie would be keeping a close eye on him to make certain it didn't happen again.

Hurtt didn't have any issues at Louisville.  He was one of three coaches who were disciplined as part of the Nevin Shapiro scandal at Miami. 

Hurtt was accused of taking players/recruits over to Shapiro's house and bringing them to dinners that Shapiro paid for.   Additionally Hurtt received an interest free loan from Shapiro.

According to the NCAA, Hurtt received a $2,500 interest-free loan from Shapiro in April 2009 and repaid it three months later. Hurtt also had knowledge of Shapiro's involvement with providing impermissible benefits directly to five recruits and three members of a recruit's family. The total value of benefits was at least $3,315.

Shapiro, allegedly with Hurtt's knowledge, also assisted in the recruitment of seven more players. Hurtt also was aware that Shapiro provided impermissible benefits to four recruits and eight then-current Miami players.

" "Between 2008 and the fall of 2009, Hurtt knowingly provided impermissible inducements in the form of meals, transportation and lodging to three recruits. Further, Hurtt knowingly provided impermissible inducements and benefits when he arranged for Shapiro to pay for the meals of four then football prospective student-athletes and three then football student-athletes."

" "During his November 3, 2011, interview with the enforcement staff, institution and his current employer, Hurtt provided false and misleading information when he denied providing meals, transportation and some of the lodging to four then football prospective student-athletes, as detailed in Allegation No. 5-(d). Additionally, Hurtt denied arranging for Shapiro to pay for the meals of four then football prospective student-athletes and three then football student-athletes, as well as attending the meal, as detailed in Allegation No. 5-(d). Hurtt's statements were in direct contradiction to information provided by the then football prospective student-athletes and some of the then football student-athletes involved. [NCAA Bylaw 10.1-(d)]"

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8988723/clint-hurtt-provided-false-info-nevin-shapiro-probe-says-ncaa

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

My understanding regarding Patterson not hiring Morris is that we would have had to pay the $5 million buyout and Morris demanded he could leave at anytime for a HC job offer without any penalty.  I can understand the thought process on all of this as Morris was already being considered for HC position so why would you pay his buyout to only have him leave in a year or even 2 year period to be a HC without any compensation for what you have spent.

Agree - there's no reason to pay for Morris - would have been a waste of money.  But Patterson is also the guy who wouldn't allow Strong to raise the salary of the Quality Control coaches from 24k to 50k to bring them more in line with what QC coaches were making at other Big12 schools.  6 out of the 8 QC coaches quit after Strong's first season - which is understandable considering they were making half of what a QC coach at f##king Kansas makes.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Looks like Strong is in need of the bagman game to help improve recruiting

But, I thought Strong was a great recruiter?

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

My understanding regarding Patterson not hiring Morris is that we would have had to pay the $5 million buyout and Morris demanded he could leave at anytime for a HC job offer without any penalty.  I can understand the thought process on all of this as Morris was already being considered for HC position so why would you pay his buyout to only have him leave in a year or even 2 year period to be a HC without any compensation for what you have spent. Charlie might have been prevented from getting the OC he wants, but I still expect him to show developement and improvement to with the players we do have and this is my complaint with him as a Coach.  I just have not seen any of the players improving from the first game of the season to the last game they played which was Tech.  I don't see any of the players improving or developing that played last year and are playing this year.  I don't even see them improving with strength and conditioning from one season to the next which I thought for sure was a weakness of Mack's team and would be a strength with Charlie's.  Here is a sad truth Texas Tech Head Coach  in his 2nd year at Tech has his team bowl eligible and showing improvement from last season plus they beat us on Thanksgiving night in Austin this year think about that. 

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

But, I thought Strong was a great recruiter?

He's an excellent evaluator of talent - and a great recruiter.  But the HC can't recruit every kid - you have to have assistants who have the dedication and skill required to spend so much of their time evaluating and speaking with high school athletes.

Hurtt is more than a recruiter of the year - he's a damn good line coach.  Good enough that when John Fox came in and cleaned out the Bears coaching staff he kept Hurtt as OLB coach.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

 I don't see any of the players improving or developing that played last year and are playing this year.  I don't even see them improving with strength and conditioning from one season to the next which I thought for sure was a weakness of Mack's team and would be a strength with Charlie's.  Here is a sad truth Texas Tech Head Coach  in his 2nd year at Tech has his team bowl eligible and showing improvement from last season plus they beat us on Thanksgiving night in Austin this year think about that. 

Which players that played last year are regressing in your opinion - both on the field and in their strength & conditioning*

*I nearly couldn't type out the last part of that sentence.  I'd love to know which players you hypothesize have 'gotten weaker'.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Hurtt didn't have any issues at Louisville.  He was one of three coaches who were disciplined as part of the Nevin Shapiro scandal at Miami. 

Hurtt was accused of taking players/recruits over to Shapiro's house and bringing them to dinners that Shapiro paid for.   Additionally Hurtt received an interest free loan from Shapiro.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8988723/clint-hurtt-provided-false-info-nevin-shapiro-probe-says-ncaa

Not hard to see why people question Hurtt's character, integrity, and ethics. 

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Not hard to see why people question Hurtt's character, integrity, and ethics. 

Of course not - but thats not what I was responding to.  I was responding to someone questioning Strong's.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Here is a sad truth Texas Tech Head Coach  in his 2nd year at Tech has his team bowl eligible and showing improvement from last season plus they beat us on Thanksgiving night in Austin this year think about that. 

A team that had very little experienced talent lost Tank, Ridgeway, Jinkens, Jefferson, and Ford for the second half of that game. 

Bedford/Strong defenses have finished 14th, 23rd, 23rd, 2nd, and 27th the last 5 years.  Set aside what you think of Strong as a HC - do you think he suddenly forgot how to coach defense?  Those Louisville defenses weren't filled with 5 star guys that succeeded despite scheme or coaching. 

If you use adjusted stats Texas is 50th in PPG allowed, 43rd in Points per Play, 28th in Yards per play, and 33rd in Yards per possession.  All while playing one of the toughest schedules in the country and 7 of the top 27 offenses in the country - including 2nd, 4th, 6th, and 10th most productive offenses in college football (with #1 Baylor still to play).

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Hurtt was at Louisville for four years and didn't have any problems - but don't let that disrupt your narrative.

What narrative is that? Hurt got caught cheating and Strong is considering bringing him in. 

 

[DMAC]

A team that had very little experienced talent lost Tank, Ridgeway, Jinkens, Jefferson, and Ford for the second half of that game. 

Bedford/Strong defenses have finished 14th, 23rd, 23rd, 2nd, and 27th the last 5 years.  Set aside what you think of Strong as a HC - do you think he suddenly forgot how to coach defense?  Those Louisville defenses weren't filled with 5 star guys that succeeded despite scheme or coaching. 

If you use adjusted stats Texas is 50th in PPG allowed, 43rd in Points per Play, 28th in Yards per play, and 33rd in Yards per possession.  All while playing one of the toughest schedules in the country and 7 of the top 27 offenses in the country - including 2nd, 4th, 6th, and 10th most productive offenses in college football (with #1 Baylor still to play).

Hip,

I agree with the youth being the biggest issue on defense.  As most can see 2014 had a great defense with Macks recruits.  We all get it but you have to admit Charlie coming into this team and adopting Defense wins championships and we just need the offense to manage the ball and they dont have to win the game was lack of foresight.

You can have a great defense but if you cant score points you wont win many games.  Now our defense is rebuilding with youth and our offense is garbage again.  

Charlie should have seen this earlier and made changes earlier instead of waiting 2 years.  That is on him as our head coach.  I dont truly believe all of sudden Watson started calling plays at ND they never practiced.  That stinks of excuses.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Hip,

I agree with the youth being the biggest issue on defense.  As most can see 2014 had a great defense with Macks recruits.  We all get it but you have to admit Charlie coming into this team and adopting Defense wins championships and we just need the offense to manage the ball and they dont have to win the game was lack of foresight.

You can have a great defense but if you cant score points you wont win many games.  Now our defense is rebuilding with youth and our offense is garbage again.  

Charlie should have seen this earlier and made changes earlier instead of waiting 2 years.  That is on him as our head coach. I dont truly believe all of sudden Watson started calling plays at ND they never practiced.  That stinks of excuses.

Of course not.  But I do believe that the playbook shrunk considerably and that much of what they implemented over the summer was never called.  Every offense has elements of every other offense - so its not like some of the west coast concepts Watson had from Lousiville weren't going to be a part of the game plan - the question is how much.

I know people think Strong is some sort of functional idiot - but I don't believe for a second that he watched the offense (played against Notre Dame) all summer and didn't notice or didn't say anything.  My guess is that at the first sign of adversity against ND Watson reverted back to the plays/formations he was most comfortable with - and neglected the rest of the playbook.

As for Strong's adopting 'Defense wins Championships' - I think Strong knows you need both, but at the same time last years team (even with a healthy Ash) was much more talented on the defensive side of the ball.  So its not outrageous to think you go the way of Stanford and play ball-control football, control the clock, and limit possessions to win the game.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

What narrative is that? Hurt got caught cheating and Strong is considering bringing him in. 

The narrative that Strong needs a bagman.  Hurtt worked for Strong for four years without any issues - his transgressions occurred before he went to work for Strong and Louisville.

And Hurtt is a hell of a coach - as evidenced by what he did with poorly regarded recruits at Louisville and with rookies for the Bears. 

So its a crazy thought - but maybe Strong wants Hurtt because he's a fantastic coach and recruiter. 

 

[TeamMayhall]

Chip continues to promote the idea of Hurtt. Huge upgrade if possible

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Of course not - but thats not what I was responding to.  I was responding to someone questioning Strong's.

A MOD on OB has said that UT has told Strong Hurt is a no go. So yeah I am questioning Strong on his decision making which to date has been awesome according to the apologist. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

A MOD on OB has said that UT has told Strong Hurt is a no go. So yeah I am questioning Strong on his decision making which to date has been awesome according to the apologist. 

UT doesn't need that type of negative publicity even if Hurtt as cleaned up his act. No, thanks