Chavis suing A&M and LSU
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Randolph Duke
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That's the one, RD.
I don't recall the email precisely, but it was along the lines of:
Cost of tuition, USC $20,000 per year
Cost of cheerleading
lessons 10,000
Cost of uniforms 5,000
Cheering during opponents touchdown: priceless!
Note: please feel free to correct the above. I'm going on fading memories.
I don't recall the email precisely, but it was along the lines of:
Cost of tuition, USC $20,000 per year
Cost of cheerleading
lessons 10,000
Cost of uniforms 5,000
Cheering during opponents touchdown: priceless!
Note: please feel free to correct the above. I'm going on fading memories.
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Hate to say it because I always welcome the opportunity to bad mouth the aggies. It looks like the LSU AD department are the d***ks here. They didn't want to give their best coach fair market value and not only that they wanted place a clause in his contract that they didn't owe Chavis the rest of his contract if Les was fired at anytime.
Then they lawyer up on a technicality, instead of just letting it go. College football coaches have to work hard with coaching and recruiting and they never know when they may have to move their family again.
If the aggies lose in court, I would fine that very enjoyable, but what would you expect from hiring aggie lawyers. Since I don't like either of these teams, as far as I'm concerned the more nasty this fight the better.
Then they lawyer up on a technicality, instead of just letting it go. College football coaches have to work hard with coaching and recruiting and they never know when they may have to move their family again.
If the aggies lose in court, I would fine that very enjoyable, but what would you expect from hiring aggie lawyers. Since I don't like either of these teams, as far as I'm concerned the more nasty this fight the better.
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There's a good chance aggie will lose in court. Technically, Chavis' contract with LSU didn't terminate until February 4th. If so, why is he out recruiting Daylon Mack & others for aggie - a SEC West division rival - on January 28th?
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I did read where one Louisiana lawyer said that was not associated with the case that as long as Chavis was not on the aggie payroll and that time they were okay.
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Hmmm...so you're saying Chavis is okay as long as no aggie checks were deposited into his bank account prior to February 5th? Interesting
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As far as I've be able to gather from reading some other sites, it's not that simple. There's only a couple of ways this could have happened
Option 1. In order for Chavis to recruit for aggy, he would have had to fill out paperwork with the NCAA compliance dept saying that he was a coach for A&M and recruiting on their behalf.
Option 2. He didn't fill out the paperwork but didn't receive a check from A&M thinking that as long as he wasn't receiving money from them he was fine.
Either option will be bad for Chavis and potentially a disaster for Aggy.
If Option 1 is the case, then Lsu has proof he was working on behalf of A&M and the NCAA could issue sanctions against Chavis and maybe A&M for him lying to them about his employment status
If Option 2 is true, then he would have been working for A&M as nothing more than a booster, both he and A&M would be in major trouble and would probably be facing some major penalties. Either way, I don't think this ends with the court case.
Dieselprime, according to the two Options you presented, Chavis either lied to the NCAA, on paper, either with or without the knowledge of A&M, or
Chavis was an A&M booster, while on the LSU payroll (possibly), with the knowledge of A&M.
Either way, Chavis is up to his elbows in crap, and A&M could be there, as well. Is this correct? At the time, A&M and LSU are both recruiting Daylon Mack, Kris Boyd, and Holton Hill. Luckily for them, Kris and Holton are going to Texas (Hook 'em!). Mack, made a sudden change of direction and chose the Ags, who would have thought that could happen, given the history?
What a mess, and the Ags created it all by themselves! The gift that just keeps on giving! Fortunately, we don't have to claim them anymore.
Hook 'em!
Chavis was an A&M booster, while on the LSU payroll (possibly), with the knowledge of A&M.
Either way, Chavis is up to his elbows in crap, and A&M could be there, as well. Is this correct? At the time, A&M and LSU are both recruiting Daylon Mack, Kris Boyd, and Holton Hill. Luckily for them, Kris and Holton are going to Texas (Hook 'em!). Mack, made a sudden change of direction and chose the Ags, who would have thought that could happen, given the history?
What a mess, and the Ags created it all by themselves! The gift that just keeps on giving! Fortunately, we don't have to claim them anymore.
Hook 'em!
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I don't expect to win this case, but shocker here, I agree with primal defense in that LSU isn't handling this well. What coach would want to come to LSU in the future when they are being sticklers about the buyout when they weren't willing to pay fair market value to retain the coach. It isn't like Chavis acted unloyal in this whole situation, he gave LSU a chance to counter and made his best effort to ensure that any distractions weren't public until after the LSU bowl game.
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Who says LSU wasn't willing to pay "fair market value" to retain Chavis? Sumlin wasn't able to field a defense in three years and he decided to spend seemingly desperation money to bring in a big name DC. The possibility exists LSU didn't want to overpay and aggy was willing to overpay.
I'm intrigued that Chavis and TAMU both recognized Chavis had an obligation to LSU that extended into February, but Chavis felt he would spend the last days of his obligation to LSU working for TAMU.
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So if it doesn't benefit LSU they will declare a violation; if it benefits LSU questionnable activity will be brushed under the rug. SEC school, or at least media, now whining about shady activity...LOL. Suck it SEC.
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While not confirmed, LSU admins were stating LSU's offer was between 1.2-1.4 million. This offer was on the heels of Clemson's 1.3 million extension to Brent Venables and Will Muschamp's 1.4-1.6 million salary from Auburn. Chavis has had a far longer string of success both on the field and with sending players to the NFL than either of those coordinators. He took an LSU defense plagued by early entries to the NFL draft and still had arguably the top defense in the SEC this year. He obviously doesn't spend as much time recruiting but easily has the pedigree to be offered at minimum the equivalent salary of the two major coordinators that got massive offers in December. LSU's unwillingness to pony up has already affected their ability to lure top coaching talent. They were forced to settle for Kevin Steele as DC after big name DCs like Clancy Pendergast and Bob Shoop saw the issues that Chavis did. The buyout clause in Chavis' contract made it evident that LSU did not expect Les Miles back for more than 2 years, especially with the counter offer for the buyout.
I've been adamant for years that coaches should spend big money on proven coordinators at the side of the ball they aren't as comfortable with. Mike Leach with a capable defensive mind would have scared the Big 12 shitless. Gary Patterson goes and gets two young stars at OC and all of a sudden TCU is a national championship contender. Urban Meyer has won national championships with Strong, Mattison, and Fickell calling the defense. It seems like such a simple concept, I have yet to figure out why more coaches/programs don't adopt this philosophy. Sumlin's move may reek of desparation, but it is a strong power play for a coach that has obviously had major issues on the defensive side of the ball. He recognized the issue (while a year behind) and addressed it by not settling for an unproven coach. In fact, what has not been reported is that Sumlin is covering the salary above $1.5 million not including the possible buyout. That extra 200,000-300,000 dollars will be chunk change if the Chavis move gives him a steady top 25-50 defense each year he remains at A&M. I don't expect the defense to be elite in year 1 due to the lack of personnel to run his scheme, but there is enough talent to be in the top 50 of defenses with even just an emphasis on the fundamentals.
I've been adamant for years that coaches should spend big money on proven coordinators at the side of the ball they aren't as comfortable with. Mike Leach with a capable defensive mind would have scared the Big 12 shitless. Gary Patterson goes and gets two young stars at OC and all of a sudden TCU is a national championship contender. Urban Meyer has won national championships with Strong, Mattison, and Fickell calling the defense. It seems like such a simple concept, I have yet to figure out why more coaches/programs don't adopt this philosophy. Sumlin's move may reek of desparation, but it is a strong power play for a coach that has obviously had major issues on the defensive side of the ball. He recognized the issue (while a year behind) and addressed it by not settling for an unproven coach. In fact, what has not been reported is that Sumlin is covering the salary above $1.5 million not including the possible buyout. That extra 200,000-300,000 dollars will be chunk change if the Chavis move gives him a steady top 25-50 defense each year he remains at A&M. I don't expect the defense to be elite in year 1 due to the lack of personnel to run his scheme, but there is enough talent to be in the top 50 of defenses with even just an emphasis on the fundamentals.
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A lawyer in Louisiana said it, I have no idea. In the real world Chavis started working for the aggies before the 30 days limit and the aggies should have to pay, but this is the lawyer world.
I still think the lawyers should go easy on the assistant coaches. I also believe that Oklahoma State should have left Wickline alone. Head coaches are another matter.
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Randolph Duke
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NCAA member schools don't declare violations. They report perceived violations to the NCAA for determination of a violation. Reporting each other to the NCAA is a longstanding SEC tradition. NCAA rules say only full-time staff members can recruit. Chavis' claim is be wasn't a full time aggybstaff member until Feb 13. Interesting problem the aggys have created for themselves. One could almost say they have aggyed this up.
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