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Why are people against NFL coaches?

LongviewLobo01

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In reading posts from people on here and other sites it appears as though a lot of people don't want us to look at the NFL ranks for our next head coach. I'm not understanding this. Why wouldn't you want a coach who has won at the highest level? For ever Jim Harbaugh who goes from the college ranks and is successful there are guys like Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier who were at the top of the college game and failed in the NFL. To me, all things being equal I'd rather have someone with success in the NFL over someone who has had success in the college ranks.

First, everyone is worried about recruiting and rightfully so. But at the end of the day, if we are winning recruiting will pretty much take care of itself. This is Texas. Players want to play here. And to me if I'm a player wouldn't I want to play for someone who can tell me exactly what to do to make it into the NFL and be successful? Especially if the coach saying telling them that is wearing a Super Bowl ring or two?

Second, there's a long line of coaches who have been highly successful in the college game, but have failed at the NFL level. Nick Saban, Pete Carroll, Bobby Petrino and Steve Spurrier are all examples of good to great college coaches who were failures in the NFL. That in itself should tell you why looking at an NFL coach should be high on the list. In the NFL teams generally are very even in regards to talent levels and coaching is a much more important factor to winning and losing. You HAVE to be a good coach to win in the NFL and even better than that to win a Super Bowl. College is different. In college, it's much more about talent accumulation than it is coaching. If you can stockpile the talent AND can coach you can nearly be unstoppable. See Nick Saban for an example of this. And while the NFL has a salary cap that limits how you can accumulate the talent, in college you are free to get as much talent as you want as long as you are under the 85-man limit. It's much more free in the college game.

I understand that a coach from the NFL is not going to be used to recruiting. But that's where assistant's come into play. Generally, the assistants do a majority of the heavy lifting when it comes to recruiting to begin with and the head coach is more of the closer. So the biggest complaint when it comes to the NFL names is nullified a little bit depending on who they hire as their assistants and I think a lot of top level assistants would like to come work for a proven NFL head coach to learn from him and see what it takes to be successful.

At the end of the day, the biggest issue with our program right now is that our head coach isn't an excellent X's and O's coach on either side of the ball. Hiring a coach from the NFL would eliminate that problem. To become a HC in the NFL you have to almost always have been a strong coach on one side of the ball. That's just the nature of the beast.

 
If there is a option to get a top coach from the NFL, Im all for it. I dont buy into the idea that NFL coaches cant coach in college because its a different game. Sure there are a few nuances between the NFL and college football, but its not a different game. Football is football and in the NFL, football is played on a higher level. If the NFL somehow ceased to exist, a lot of college coaches would lose their jobs in the rush to hire a NFL coach.

 
I'm not against a coach from the NFL at all. Harbaugh would be great.

I am however very against Gruden who seems to be the darling of a lot of people. That guy is grossly overrated and wouldn't help Texas at all IMO.

 
I'll pass on petrino! I've heard jim mora jr's name mentioned a few Times most notably by kirk herbstreit on cfb live! Gruden's name has been mentioned but I don't see it! Harbaugh would be great!

 
I am not against NFL coaches but they need to have shown some success/experience in college. I think the college game is different. Yes its football but college requires recruiting which very different and a lot more work/time away from x & o. Spread concepts and defending the spread is something you better be able to do in college and especially in Big12. Also, its college kids vs NFL men who are paid professionals(haha, yes i know jokes here).

Its not to say NFL coaches can't do it, Mora is doing a good job at UCLA and we would love Harbaugh. We dont have room for error with this hire, CFB is changing and teams around us are coming in and taking our talent and they should bc we are not good. Lsu, Aggies, Bu, Bama, Oregon, even tOsu has taken 2-3 4 stars in the past 2 years. A couple more years like this and its the early 90s again.

 
Whoever the next AD is, he's going to have to clean house at Bellmont and make some serious staff changes. I have my doubts whether Plonsky stays. Barnes is going to be replaced, as will Augie. Having to rebuild the staff and deal with the other programs is going to take up a lot of time. The last thing the AD is going to want is a coach he hasn't worked with, who has an enormous ego and doesn't know the college game.

The two people Luck would know best, who he could trust and who can run a college program as complex as that of Texas are Shaw and Saban.

 
I don't want Petrino. No way. But you can't argue his college success.

And I wouldn't mind Gruden. Especially if Briles or Strong or Muschamp were the other options.

 
Muschamp as DC yes as head coach no! Bruce Feldman tweeted out the numbers & muschamps are exactly the same as ron zooks were! Not very good!

 
RT @BFeldmanCBS: This is the week #UF fired Ron Zook. His record was 20-13 and 14-7 in SEC. Will Muschamp's record: 22-11 and 13-8 in SEC.

 
I think they worry he wont translate to the college game and everyone is fearful of a bust. Cant blame the masses for being concerned.

 
Whoever the next AD is, he's going to have to clean house at Bellmont and make some serious staff changes. I have my doubts whether Plonsky stays. Barnes is going to be replaced, as will Augie. Having to rebuild the staff and deal with the other programs is going to take up a lot of time. The last thing the AD is going to want is a coach he hasn't worked with, who has an enormous ego and doesn't know the college game.
The two people Luck would know best, who he could trust and who can run a college program as complex as that of Texas are Shaw and Saban.
Really like Shaw a lot... He's continued well with what Harbaugh rebuilt... My question is.. Isn't it still a bit early to tell if he can run a program like Texas with as many 4 and 5 star recruits, as Texas can bring in. These kids come in with major egos, and no offense to Stanford, they just do not get the recruiting classes other schools get.

 
Really like Shaw a lot... He's continued well with what Harbaugh rebuilt... My question is.. Isn't it still a bit early to tell if he can run a program like Texas with as many 4 and 5 star recruits, as Texas can bring in. These kids come in with major egos, and no offense to Stanford, they just do not get the recruiting classes other schools get.
Their recruiting classes are pretty decent, and 2012 was pretty bad ass.

 
DO NOT take a motorcycle ride with Bobby Petrino. He's a horny bastard.

 
I don't get the love for Tomlin...he took over a program that was in better shape then than it is now.

 
I don't get the love for Tomlin...he took over a program that was in better shape then than it is now.
In his defense, its not exactly like he has a shot to graduate Rapeacheeseburger and recruit a new guy.

 
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