Which QB is the fit for Gilbert's Offense?

[Sirhornsalot]

Heard, Buechele or Merrick, but we don't know how good the "system" is, or whether the forced hurry-up and kind of a lip service to a high-producing, efficient runing game will be good enough.  Is Norvell still going to be around to screw up the receivers?  Will Mattox be able to put together an offensive line anywhere close to Wickline's in terms of effectiveness?  Is Gilbert smart or calm or inwardly confident enough to run the show at a school like Texas (and to take the heat if and when there may be some frankly inevitable freaking failures, lol)?  Is he mature enough?  Experienced enough  (Harsin, Diaz and Muschamp certainly weren't, lol, and the vocal mob of the fanbase ate them up while doing long-lasting harm to the program and to the university in the process, lol)?  Are we going to see the coach who won two games total in his last two years as a high school head coach?  What are we going to see? lol.

1. You can't name a receiver Norvell has screwed up. By contrast, he's taken average and turned it into above average.

2. You set a low bar if you're pointing to the words "Wickline's" and "effectiveness." Wickline's OL has been this team's stumbling block.

3. If Gilbert installs the offense at Tulsa which just set a record last week, I think we'll be pretty happy.

4. If HS ball is what we judge, then I'd love to read your 15 paragraphs about Traylor.

 

[Danny Hale]

Harsin was effective as OC his problem was Mack interfering and constantly refusing to hold players and coaches accountable. Muschamp was excellent as DC with 1 National championship game in 09 and should have been in 08. the 2010 collapse was not on defense

 

[DMAC]

Heard, Buechele or Merrick, but we don't know how good the "system" is, or whether the forced hurry-up and kind of a lip service to a high-producing, efficient runing game will be good enough.  Is Norvell still going to be around to screw up the receivers?  Will Mattox be able to put together an offensive line anywhere close to Wickline's in terms of effectiveness?  Is Gilbert smart or calm or inwardly confident enough to run the show at a school like Texas (and to take the heat if and when there may be some frankly inevitable freaking failures, lol)?  Is he mature enough?  Experienced enough  (Harsin, Diaz and Muschamp certainly weren't, lol, and the vocal mob of the fanbase ate them up while doing long-lasting harm to the program and to the university in the process, lol)?  Are we going to see the coach who won two games total in his last two years as a high school head coach?  What are we going to see? lol.

 

[utparothed]

I haven't read/heard much on his progress but where's Locksley in this discussion?  Is he even in the QB mix anymore? 

 

[TeamMayhall]

I haven't read/heard much on his progress but where's Locksley in this discussion? Is he even in the QB mix anymore?

Good Question

 

[Coot]

I haven't read/heard much on his progress but where's Locksley in this discussion?  Is he even in the QB mix anymore? 

I eagerly await the spring game.  I hope things will be a lot clearer after that.  Who will be in the mix or who will be looking at transferring or at a position change.

 

[echeese]

1. You can't name a receiver Norvell has screwed up. By contrast, he's taken average and turned it into above average.

I'll counter by asking you to site an average WR he improved?   A Foreman did not improve over the course of the year . . . .nor did McNeil see the field much. . . frankly I'd argue Norvell hasn't done squat with our WRs.

I went back and looked, while he was at OU. . .he worked with 10 or 11 4/5 Star WRs . . .about 3 panned out but that's holding serve.  . .lots of busts.

Given that a WR coach could not install even a basic passing attack . . . .I'm really hoping he finds a job elsewhere.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I'll counter by asking you to site an average WR he improved?   A Foreman did not improve over the course of the year . . . .nor did McNeil see the field much. . . frankly I'd argue Norvell hasn't done squat with our WRs.

I went back and looked, while he was at OU. . .he worked with 10 or 11 4/5 Star WRs . . .about 3 panned out but that's holding serve.  . .lots of busts.

Given that a WR coach could not install even a basic passing attack . . . .I'm really hoping he finds a job elsewhere.

Norvell was a major cog in the best passing offenses in Oklahoma history – he coached three of the top four pass-catchers in OU history – and had a hand in a number of Big 12 championships and, yes, wins over Texas.

Norvell had his work cut out for him. Texas boasted FBS’s 90th-most productive passing offense the fall before Norvell got here and lost its top two pass-catchers (John Harris and Jaxon Shipley) to graduation. Rising senior Marcus Johnson was the Horns’ top returning wideout with all of 27 catches for 313 yards and one touchdown. No other returning wide receiver caught more than 10 passes that season.

Foreman just isn't very good. Our best WR was a freshman. A freshman.

McNeil was in Charlie's doghouse, so how you put that on Norvell is beyond me.

You're free to believe as you want, but to judge Norvell as a WR coach when he's charged with the entire offensive game plan and calling plays, I'd suggest you're being a bit harsh. 

 

[coolhorn]

I keep hearing Merrick might emerge as the best quarterback to run Gilbert's offense.

 

[echeese]

Norvell was a major cog in the best passing offenses in Oklahoma history – he coached three of the top four pass-catchers in OU history – and had a hand in a number of Big 12 championships and, yes, wins over Texas.

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You're free to believe as you want, but to judge Norvell as a WR coach when he's charged with the entire offensive game plan and calling plays, I'd suggest you're being a bit harsh. 

So let me see if I follow your "logic" . . . . . .as a WR coach, Norvell gets credit for the OU offense despite his failure to develop 8-10 4 star or higher WRs

But as an OC at TEXAS.  . .Norvell gets an "excuse" because you cannot point to a single WR that got better over the 2015 season?

PS, the man has coached WRs at both the college and NFL level for 20 years and the shit show of a passing scheme (one of the reasons Heard was so bad) we got last season doesn't fall fully in his lap?????

Is he a customer of yours?

 

[Juan]

There should be a few good grad QB out there again this year too

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011



Harbaugh signed some grad transfer QBs lickity split

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

 

[Throthefade]

I think Heard has some things to be a solid QB. Doesn't look like Watson developed either QB very well in two years. 

 

[TeamMayhall]

 

[echeese]

I think Heard has some things to be a solid QB. Doesn't look like Watson developed either QB very well in two years. 

I don't blame him for Swoopes. . . .kid has been behind the power curve from Day 1 though love him in the 18 Wheeler role. . . 

Agree on Heard. .  .hoping Gilbert has some "QB whisperer" in him. .  .our best solution for 2016 is Heard or a grad transfer. . . . .I HOPE that Heard emerges as "da man" but will not be shocked if Shane or Merrick wins the job.

 

[Juan]

Another potential QB

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

 

[Juan]

Jeff Howe says Heard went home to Denton for the break and worked out the whole time.  He contacted his old Guyer coaches to find some receivers.   He worked it every day, even using a gym to throw routes when the weather forced him inside.

Howe says he is "working on the route concepts synonymous with Baylor’s offense" to get ready for what Gilbert will install.  Heard is "motivated to prove himself" to Gilbert and likes where the offense is headed.

Howe's source -- "What they’re going to do fits Jerrod better than what Texas has been doing.  If Jerrod had gone to Baylor it would have been a lot of the same stuff he did at Guyer, just with faster tempo. Playing fast is when Jerrod is at his best and Texas is going to play fast. For real this time.

http://247sports.com/Article/Texas-Longhorns-VIP-team-and-recruiting-notes-1616-42563027

 

[Juan]

Our QB next year will not be Kyle Allen

He is going to UH/Herman

 

[doc longhorn]

So let me see if I follow your "logic" . . . . . .as a WR coach, Norvell gets credit for the OU offense despite his failure to develop 8-10 4 star or higher WRs

But as an OC at TEXAS.  . .Norvell gets an "excuse" because you cannot point to a single WR that got better over the 2015 season?

PS, the man has coached WRs at both the college and NFL level for 20 years and the shit show of a passing scheme (one of the reasons Heard was so bad) we got last season doesn't fall fully in his lap?????

Is he a customer of yours?

LOL!  I had to laugh at this.  I think you both have good points, but I side with you e-cheese.

We simply have not had any good receivers for a while.  This, in no small part, caused our young QB's and our offense immense problems.

Hell, Jaxon Shipley even made Case McCoy look like a decent passer.

Neither Swoopes nor Heard had a go-to receiver, like Shipley, they could rely on. None.

Very simply, our receivers could not get separation in time (especially with our porous OL) for our QB's to find them.

Burt is trending towards being All Conference, but he is a field stretcher and not Mr. Reliable.

For Gilberts offense to work, someone has to be able to catch 5 - 15 yard passes with regularity.

Does anyone know of anyone on this team?

Also, I believe that Gilberts offense is tailor made for Mr. Jerrod Heard.  Hell, Tyrone Swoopes could excel in it, for that matter.

Buechele should red shirt and there can't be any argument about that without looking foolish.  The constant drumbeat of football ignorant fans to play freshmen at D-1 QB is tiring.  Especially when you don't have to - and we don't.

We have two battle tested QB's and two more that have already served a red shirt year.  We don't need no stinking freshman at QB.  Jesus Christ!

Friends, it's hard not to get excited about this years offense.  We have two All Americans in the OL, two potential All Conference RB's and a QB (Heard) that can run like a deer and will have two years of maturity under his belt.  I suspect our offense is going to be electric.

Now, our defense......?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

So let me see if I follow your "logic" . . . . . .as a WR coach, Norvell gets credit for the OU offense despite his failure to develop 8-10 4 star or higher WRs

But as an OC at TEXAS.  . .Norvell gets an "excuse" because you cannot point to a single WR that got better over the 2015 season?

PS, the man has coached WRs at both the college and NFL level for 20 years and the shit show of a passing scheme (one of the reasons Heard was so bad) we got last season doesn't fall fully in his lap?????

Is he a customer of yours?

Sorry, didn't see this.

Let me clear it up for you as you're terribly confused it seems. No, he's not a customer. Neither are you. Not sure what that matters.

What you're trying hard not to say is what I'm just going to keep putting out there – Norvell spent most of the season as an OC.

How many WR coaches out there had to spend most of their season as an OC?

Thats what I thought.

 

[doc longhorn]

Sorry, didn't see this.

Let me clear it up for you as you're terribly confused it seems. No, he's not a customer. Neither are you. Not sure what that matters.

What you're trying hard not to say is what I'm just going to keep putting out there – Norvell spent most of the season as an OC.

How many WR coaches out there had to spend most of their season as an OC?

Thats what I thought.

Oh, e-cheese was just being snarky, Mark.  Don't be offended, it was actually kinda funny.

Nobody questions Norvell's credentials - well, maybe OU did.

What is questioned, besides Burt, is the almost complete lack of effectiveness of our receiving corps - regardless of his credentials.  I don't see how this can be argued.  Very simply, we stunk.

And our QB's and our offense paid the price for it.