We must schedule them again.

[Grandpa Zorro]

The kids will eventually figure out that being mediocre in the SEC is nothing special. Ags are "riding high" on a big wave of enthusiasm with a JFF Heisman and the move to the SEC. Yet they still haven't come close to winning their division. I always say a moral victory is still a loss. I'd rather play for conference championships and national championships than say we beat Alabama at home but were 3rd in our division of the SEC.

As for playing the Ags...I say, let them qualify for the playoff and we'll play them there!! Hook 'Em!!

 

[doc longhorn]

Why should we play them again? Someone please tell me how that is better for UT?

Here is the way I see it:

Cons

1. It allows aggy an opportunity to fight in the title fight again

2. It give aggy one more opportunity to be put on the national stage

3. It gives the SEC one more opportunity to be put on the national stage

4. It gives aggy a huge windfall of revenue

5. It gives aggy another opportunity for national credibility

6. If we lose, it gives aggy credance to the Texas recruits

7. If we lose, it gives the SEC even more of a pipeline to Texas recruits

8. If we lose, it diminishes a recruits desire to play for Texas

9. It could, forever, change the landscape in the state of Texas

Pros

1. If we win, some UT fans think this is a way to gain back recruiting momentum.

2. Some UT fans just liked the Thanksgiving game

Someone explain to me how this game is nothing but lose/lose for my beloved Longhorns?

We have a cadre of fine coaches in place and if we take care of business, we don't have to panic and beg for a chance to play aggy. If there is any begging to be done it should come from them. They are the ones that ran like a rabbit from us. Screw 'em!

 

[Oilfield]

I'd prefer we schedule someone better OOC. UCLA is a good start. Now we need to beat them. Getting kicked around by BYU is not good for the brand. Aggy is going to be mediocre. We don't need to add a mediocre OOC team to a less-than-exciting Big 12 schedule. Go for the big names. Bring Game Day to Austin.

 

[Hoekem]

Wonder how many HS Sophomores if asked would know what 27-25 means, my guess is NOT many. Hell, even the ones that do know probably don't give a sh1t. They know what ESPN is...Phillips 66 game of the week, not so much.

As I stated above, beating them sorta nullifies the SEC talk.

I bet if you ask our current team, I'd bet they would want to play 'em.

 

[doc longhorn]

Wonder how many HS Sophomores if asked would know what 27-25 means, my guess is NOT many. Hell, even the ones that do know probably don't give a sh1t. They know what ESPN is...Phillips 66 game of the week, not so much.
As I stated above, beating them sorta nullifies the SEC talk.

I bet if you ask our current team, I'd bet they would want to play 'em.

What the HS sophs know are exactly what the UT coaches tell them. My previous comment still stands - what does UT gain by playing aggy?

 

[Davharjac]

Why should we play them again? Someone please tell me how that is better for UT?
Here is the way I see it:

Cons

1. It allows aggy an opportunity to fight in the title fight again

2. It give aggy one more opportunity to be put on the national stage

3. It gives the SEC one more opportunity to be put on the national stage

4. It gives aggy a huge windfall of revenue

5. It gives aggy another opportunity for national credibility

6. If we lose, it gives aggy credance to the Texas recruits

7. If we lose, it gives the SEC even more of a pipeline to Texas recruits

8. If we lose, it diminishes a recruits desire to play for Texas

9. It could, forever, change the landscape in the state of Texas

Pros

1. If we win, some UT fans think this is a way to gain back recruiting momentum.

2. Some UT fans just liked the Thanksgiving game

Someone explain to me how this game is nothing but lose/lose for my beloved Longhorns?

We have a cadre of fine coaches in place and if we take care of business, we don't have to panic and beg for a chance to play aggy. If there is any begging to be done it should come from them. They are the ones that ran like a rabbit from us. Screw 'em!

Doc horn I generally like all of your post, and even though I may not agree with them at times, I enjoy how you at least can make me see your side. What I will say is this..all those cons you have listed for us if we play aggy are things that are already true in one way or another. They are a recruiting machine, not playing them isn't going to slow the tide. They are nationally know bc they had a recent heisman trophy winner, one with a huge personality. Right now if you look at the program it would be a bigger win for us to beat them than it would be for them to beat us...I know it's sickening to think of it that way, but that's the truth. I understand the dislike for them..it's strong in all of us. Playing and beating Aggy gives us national credibility as well..outside of Texas their program is viewed as being better right now, and yeah there is that SEC hype that is part of the reason they are viewed that way, but it is what it is right now. I am not aruging that playing them will put them back where they were..I have said I don't see that happening..they are a program in the state of Texas playing in the SEC..they are going to attract recruits..I believe that having a team from that conf w players from the same state on the schedule will do more good than bad..I can't bring myself to be afraid too play them bc we may lose here in there..I have to much of a fighting spirit for that (and maybe not far enough removed from playing the sport I love).

 

[hookem123]

NO, we don't "need" to play those turd tossers ever again, or at least until Bowtie has completed his hundred year mission.

After A&M broke their agreement with Texas and Texas Tech, "we'll stick together, no matter what," after taking the their bribe money (NU & CU exit fees) to stay and still leave, NO we don't "need" shit from those shitheads.

For the first time ever, we can wholeheartedly say, can't explain what happens in College Station, we don't care to understand it, the embarrassment is finally over.

 

[Texasken]

NO….only in the playoffs or in the Cotton Bowl agreement with the SEC.

No interest in having them back in my life.

 

[doc longhorn]

Doc horn I generally like all of your post, and even though I may not agree with them at times, I enjoy how you at least can make me see your side. What I will say is this..all those cons you have listed for us if we play aggy are things that are already true in one way or another. They are a recruiting machine, not playing them isn't going to slow the tide. They are nationally know bc they had a recent heisman trophy winner, one with a huge personality. Right now if you look at the program it would be a bigger win for us to beat them than it would be for them to beat us...I know it's sickening to think of it that way, but that's the truth. I understand the dislike for them..it's strong in all of us. Playing and beating Aggy gives us national credibility as well..outside of Texas their program is viewed as being better right now, and yeah there is that SEC hype that is part of the reason they are viewed that way, but it is what it is right now. I am not aruging that playing them will put them back where they were..I have said I don't see that happening..they are a program in the state of Texas playing in the SEC..they are going to attract recruits..I believe that having a team from that conf w players from the same state on the schedule will do more good than bad..I can't bring myself to be afraid to play them bc we may lose here in there..I have to much of a fighting spirit for that (and maybe not far enough removed from playing the sport I love).

Excellent response and, to a point, I can see your side of it. But let me put it to you this way - do you really think aggy is a better national brand than UT, and we need to play them for national credibility? I'm going to vigorously disagree with this.

Also, I don't there is a soul on the team or any UT fan (well, most any) that is afraid to play aggy. It's not an issue of fear, it's an issue of providing THEM a platform to get an even better foothold on our recruiting base. A&M is a national darling, right now, for no other reason than Johnny Manziel. It sure isn't their won/loss record. In addition, they have a popular coach that is reaping the benefits laid out by the on-the-job retirees that we just got rid of.

Sumlin is selling aggy using Manziel, Evans, Matthews and Joeckle (to the NFL) against the current weakness of the Big 12, compared to the medias love of the SEC. This is smart AND effective.

AND, I will argue that Mack's failures not only has diminished the appeal of UT, but also the appeal of the Big 12. We didn't hold our end of the conference (and the LHN) bargain up.

I like your posts, Davharjac, but I believe the University of Texas is the bell cow of the state of Texas and I see no reason to allow aggy ANY recruiting advantages in playing us.

 

[RealtorHorn]

Why should we play them again? Someone please tell me how that is better for UT?
Here is the way I see it:

Cons

1. It allows aggy an opportunity to fight in the title fight again

2. It give aggy one more opportunity to be put on the national stage

3. It gives the SEC one more opportunity to be put on the national stage

4. It gives aggy a huge windfall of revenue

5. It gives aggy another opportunity for national credibility

6. If we lose, it gives aggy credance to the Texas recruits

7. If we lose, it gives the SEC even more of a pipeline to Texas recruits

8. If we lose, it diminishes a recruits desire to play for Texas

9. It could, forever, change the landscape in the state of Texas

Pros

1. If we win, some UT fans think this is a way to gain back recruiting momentum.

2. Some UT fans just liked the Thanksgiving game

Someone explain to me how this game is nothing but lose/lose for my beloved Longhorns?

We have a cadre of fine coaches in place and if we take care of business, we don't have to panic and beg for a chance to play aggy. If there is any begging to be done it should come from them. They are the ones that ran like a rabbit from us. Screw 'em!

Most of your CONS are already in effect and gaining MOMENTUM. That's what we're talking about here. If at the end of every decade we, and everybody else, can look back and say "damn, 7 out of 10 for UT again," that'll help.

In life, I'm all about controlling what I can control. I believe playing and beating aggy is taking control of a piece of the situation that could get real tough to overcome.

We could solve all of this and go to the SEC with OU. Seriously.

 

[Davharjac]

Excellent response and, to a point, I can see your side of it. But let me put it to you this way - do you really think aggy is a better national brand than UT, and we need to play them for national credibility? I'm going to vigorously disagree with this.
Also, I don't there is a soul on the team or any UT fan (well, most any) that is afraid to play aggy. It's not an issue of fear, it's an issue of providing THEM a platform to get an even better foothold on our recruiting base. A&M is a national darling, right now, for no other reason than Johnny Manziel. It sure isn't their won/loss record. In addition, they have a popular coach that is reaping the benefits laid out by the on-the-job retirees that we just got rid of.

Sumlin is selling aggy using Manziel, Evans, Matthews and Joeckle (to the NFL) against the current weakness of the Big 12, compared to the medias love of the SEC. This is smart AND effective.

AND, I will argue that Mack's failures not only has diminished the appeal of UT, but also the appeal of the Big 12. We didn't hold our end of the conference (and the LHN) bargain up.

I like your posts, Davharjac, but I believe the University of Texas is the bell cow of the state of Texas and I see no reason to allow aggy ANY recruiting advantages in playing us.

I don't disagree Texas is the bell cow, my take is that aggy has a lot of national pub as it is, playing us won't give them any more or less. Right now they are seen as the better program, even though the wins and losses are pretty close. They have done well off of the splash of being in the SEC, beating bama last year, and a heisman. There does seem to be a fear from some (not all) that playing aggy will fan there flames, but do nothing for us. I find it hard to believe playing and beating aggy won't give Texas more pub nationally, and locally for that matter. You are what people think you are in most cases..perception is everything. I believe that aggy is perceived as "cool" and "in" w a lot of young men across the country. I have never in my life seen so many young men wearing aggy gear...it's kind of baffling to me because when I was in HS, there was little chance that you'd see a lot of skill guys excited to rep them..yuck, but now they have momentum. Some of that momentum can be reduced with Texas simply having success, I agree with posters who argue this point..winning is the cure all..my argument isn't that Texas needs aggy, that's a fools argument, mine is that the game is good for both teams. We hate them..they hate us..the fan bases continue to go at it, to me it makes sense for the programs to play one another.

 

[UTPhil2006]

For those of you scared of TAMU the next few years, or next year at least-- Aggy is likely a 7-5 to 8-4 at best team next year.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Right now, "aggie momentum" is a myth propagated by the ESPN marketing machine and lazy media hacks nationwide. To review, they had a good season in 2012; 11-2 record (bloated by 2 FCS wins), a Heisman trophy winner, 3rd place SEC West, and a nice Cotton Bowl win against OU. 2013? 9-4 with ZERO wins against ranked SEC teams and a 4th Place SEC West finish. *slow golf clap*

Having said that, I wouldn't object to scheduling A&M again if we can play the game on Thanksgiving or the last Saturday of the CFB season. Otherwise, don't bother if they make things difficult. We can have a great OOC schedule without them. Why play A&M on just another day in September? That's no fun.

Not gonna lie, I miss beating the aggies. It was a big part of our Thanksgiving growing up. I would much rather talk smack after a hard-won victory on the field than speculative recruiting nonsense and transitive property BS. Face it - we know too many of these clowns and have to interact with them too often.

I understand both sides of the Play/No-Play argument, but it's CFB's and Texans' loss not having bragging rights settled on the field. That's just the way it should be. \m/

 

[TexasFirst1]

The premise of this post is beyond absurd. aggy is having their first top five recruiting year in forever and they are coming off a 9-4 year that would have been at no more than 6-7 without Manziel. Manziel is gone and UT has finally dealt with the Mack problem. UT can only get better and aggy will only get worse. The recruiting problems UT is having this year have EVERYTHING to do with UT coddling Mack for the last four years of mediocrity and the new coaching staff not having relationships with the recruits. If UT had taken care of business and won the Big 12 the last two years and played in one MNC game, all the aggy hype and their 5th and 7th place finishes in the SEC would mean f**k all.

This nonsense of worrying about the naive choices of 17 year old kids who are witless enough to buy into the phony aggy hype is ridiculous. The last two years are the high water mark of aggy and these kids that are signing onto the aggy cult are going to learn about losing in the SEC the hard way and what it means to be an aggy for life. BE HAPPY THAT THEY REVEALED THEIR IGNORANCE NOW!! If they have not noticed that aggy has not won a championship since they were in diapers and all their major foes in the SEC have better coaching and more cumulative top recruits than they do, then they have the dimwitted IQ profile that belongs at aggy and defines why aggy will never be a top tier football school.

You have to look no further than Bill Snyder to see that the coaching staff is the most important factor in winning games and UT will have more talent on the field than aggy in 2014. The open question is whether Strong and his staff can get the talent at UT to perform to its potential. If they do, UT will win the Big 12 and make the MNC final four while aggy is finishing 6-6 and aggys will be back under their rocks where they belong. Playing aggy would be throwing them a lifeline in the quicksand of s**t that is the SEC championship possibilities for aggy. Their delusions of grandeur are not a reason to play them. They are a reason to LAUGH!!!

There never was and never will be ANY advantage for UT to play aggy. UT has FINALLY cut lose the stigma of being associated with the cult that is aggy. This is cause for CELEBRATION not a reason to panic or clamor to renew a rivalry that never was really a rivalry because aggy has been a cesspool of football mediocrity and worse almost forever. Let the feckless farmers rot in the SEC.

 

[doc longhorn]

The premise of this post is beyond absurd. aggy is having their first top five recruiting year in forever and they are coming off a 9-4 year that would have been at no more than 6-7 without Manziel. Manziel is gone and UT has finally dealt with the Mack problem. UT can only get better and aggy will only get worse. The recruiting problems UT is having this year have EVERYTHING to do with UT coddling Mack for the last four years of mediocrity and the new coaching staff not having relationships with the recruits. If UT had taken care of business and won the Big 12 the last two years and played in one MNC game, all the aggy hype and their 5th and 7th place finishes in the SEC would mean f**k all.
This nonsense of worrying about the naive choices of 17 year old kids who are witless enough to buy into the phony aggy hype is ridiculous. The last two years are the high water mark of aggy and these kids that are signing onto the aggy cult are going to learn about losing in the SEC the hard way and what it means to be an aggy for life. BE HAPPY THAT THEY REVEALED THEIR IGNORANCE NOW!! If they have not noticed that aggy has not won a championship since they were in diapers and all their major foes in the SEC have better coaching and more cumulative top recruits than they do, then they have the dimwitted IQ profile that belongs at aggy and defines why aggy will never be a top tier football school.

You have to look no further than Bill Snyder to see that the coaching staff is the most important factor in winning games and UT will have more talent on the field than aggy in 2014. The open question is whether Strong and his staff can get the talent at UT to perform to its potential. If they do, UT will win the Big 12 and make the MNC final four while aggy is finishing 6-6 and aggys will be back under their rocks where they belong. Playing aggy would be throwing them a lifeline in the quicksand of s**t that is the SEC championship possibilities for aggy. Their delusions of grandeur are not a reason to play them. They are a reason to LAUGH!!!

There never was and never will be ANY advantage for UT to play aggy. UT has FINALLY cut lose the stigma of being associated with the cult that is aggy. This is cause for CELEBRATION not a reason to panic or clamor to renew a rivalry that never was really a rivalry because aggy has been a cesspool of football mediocrity and worse almost forever. Let the feckless farmers rot in the SEC.

LOL. What's not to like about your enthusiasm?

But don't underestimate the ag's. They have had two excellent recruiting classes with another coming up, and with any kind of coaching, they project to be formidable in the next 3 years. They are already formidable on the recruiting trail and that cannot be denied.

Let's face it, Strong was not a splash hire and I was convinced that was what we needed - to stem the ag recruiting tide. That's why I advocated Nick Saban. That's over with now and we have to hope that Strong and his coaches can coach up the players like he did his 3* Louisville teams.

And that will take a little time and some luck as well.

 

[Texasken]

There never was and never will be ANY advantage for UT to play aggy. UT has FINALLY cut lose the stigma of being associated with the cult that is aggy. This is cause for CELEBRATION not a reason to panic or clamor to renew a rivalry that never was really a rivalry because aggy has been a cesspool of football mediocrity and worse almost forever. Let the feckless farmers rot in the SEC.

This about sums it up.

 

[coolhorn]

I am no chicken little but I absolutely, 100%, believe we need to play them again. F it. I don't care about the past. "Eternal scoreboard" with 27-25 is a joke and will continue to lose it's luster as time goes by.
I used to not want to play them again because it would be a win-win for them, they got to keep everything they wanted. Now, we (Coach Strong, the players, coaches, fans, etc.) should want to play them so bad right now.

Charlie Strong should drop a line to Steve and say "Do it."

To me, it would be very prideful for us to ignore this by continuing to not play them. These recruiting wars need to be settled before they begin, on the college football field. What better time to say/market that we are ready to schedule them than when we have a new regime and lots of question marks and while they are "on top" in Texas?!

Now, what can we do? Email? Twitter?

What are the hashtag options? #strongvsumlinonthefieldmakeithappenpleasethankshookemaggysucks

I saw a movie about Sam Houston recently. As commander of the Texican "army", he kept his troops on the run, despite criticism from all directions that he was a coward and afraid to fight. Nothing could obviously have been further from the truth, judging by the results at San Jacinto. Houston paid attention to military history and preferred to pick the place and time to fight, rather than leaving those two important things in the hands of Santa Ana.

Maybe a few years, or a couple of decades from now, UT and agricultural renew their competition. This situation is much like the one a few decades back when 'Bama and Auburn quit playing each other because of the enmity between the schools. TAMU went on record that they wanted to establish their own identity in making the move to the SEC. The implication of that is that they didn't want to be tied any further to UT, and I say, more power to them. THAT being said, why would anyone want to associate right now with a school that has so much public disdain for UT? My immediate response to the idea of getting 'em back on the schedule? The hell with that idea. UT has plenty of business of its' own right now, getting the football program turned around, getting a new basketball facility at least in the planning stages, merging the men's and women's athletic programs, and ultimately figuring out the still-unsolved conference alignment question. One other thing...UT's dancecard for the next several years is plenty full without the need to add the ag school.

This proposal that UT needs to schedule the toy soldiers is a knee-jerk reaction to the recruiting losses UT's suffering this year, and the perceived appeal of aggy as the sexy new school for so-called T-shirt fans. My response? So what...IF UT starts winning big again, that problem goes away. The folks over at collie station are having to replace a Heisman-winning once-in-a-lifetime quarterback and a couple of other All-Americans. There's also no guarantee that Sumlin is gonna be there long-term...does anybody really see him making a permanent home over in Dysfunction Junction? My point is this...there is way too much that can change in the next few years, and UT has plenty of more important things on the plate than rescheduling a school that, publicly at least, has so little regard for the University of Texas. Let them shape their new image without any assistance from UT...that's not pride speaking...it's practicality.

 

[Pancho Negro]

I am no chicken little but I absolutely, 100%, believe we need to play them again. F it. I don't care about the past. "Eternal scoreboard" with 27-25 is a joke and will continue to lose it's luster as time goes by.
I used to not want to play them again because it would be a win-win for them, they got to keep everything they wanted. Now, we (Coach Strong, the players, coaches, fans, etc.) should want to play them so bad right now.

Charlie Strong should drop a line to Steve and say "Do it."

To me, it would be very prideful for us to ignore this by continuing to not play them. These recruiting wars need to be settled before they begin, on the college football field. What better time to say/market that we are ready to schedule them than when we have a new regime and lots of question marks and while they are "on top" in Texas?!

Now, what can we do? Email? Twitter?

What are the hashtag options? #strongvsumlinonthefieldmakeithappenpleasethankshookemaggysucks

We have no need or reason to play A&M again. This is a very reactionary emotional post that has no logic in it whatsoever. Your sole reason to play them again is based off of a few recruits? Child please.

Winning championships will solve everything.

 

[longtimehorn63]

Count me as a big NO.

Schedule someone meaningful. Get ND in the series on Thanksgiving and people will eventually say why did we ever play that crappy SEC school on Thanksgiving?

 

[Topstarr]

Yes I would love to play them Aggys. But after this year so they will see who they would be playing and after that we would break off their thumbs.