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Vandy is down to 8 recruits for this year's class (and it looks like they might lose a couple more). Strong is keeping together a top 15 class, that is beyond remarkable.
Want proof that coaching changes impact recruiting?
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Why not? I can list several other programs that lost their coaches in the past few years, that suffered significant attrition in recruiting due to coaching changes. It's not a comparison between UT and Vanderbilt, rather a comparison between two programs that made coaching changes. Yes, I'm sure there's been programs that have made coaching changes and have actually done better in recruiting. But those are outliers, most programs suffer significant losses on the recruiting trail when dealing with a coaching change. Point is, when you see a program like Vanderbilt losing as many recruits as they are it should put into perspective a top 15 class by Strong. While Vanderbilt may not have the "Texas" pull, Strong is also facing certain disadvantages like replacing an iconic coach in Mack Brown.
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Because it's Vandy, right? My thoughts too. Most of the more powerful programs do better in recruiting, or do about the same, when there is a coaching change. USC fans HATED the coaching choice, but recruits are actually more interested in them now.
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Exactly. Sorry, but Vandy doesn't even begin to compare to Texas or any other major college such as USC when it comes to stuff like this.
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It's true that some powerful programs do better in recruiting, and hence why I said "Vanderbilt may not have the Texas pull". Still I can make an argument for why Strong is at a disadvantage such as having to replace an iconic coach and dealing with much more competition in recruiting in the state of Texas. Point is, even if you want to compare Strong and Mason there can be arguments made both ways for why one has advantages and the other one has disadvantages. Also, it's not 100 percent true that powerful programs always do well when making a coaching change. When Meyer left Florida they had some pretty big attrition and when Chizik left Auburn they had some pretty big attrition (can't remember where they finished in their perspective classes but I remember them having a whole bunch more decommitments). Like I said there are outliers such as USC, but even most "big programs" take pretty big hits when they change coaches. Also, I don't think USC is a very good example. Getting rid of a d-bag like Kiffin would help any program significantly in recruiting (matter of fact there were several recruits that said the primary reason they didn't give USC a look was because of Kiffin).
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franklin raided his vandy committments. he's doing quite well at penn state.
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wait. what? a change in coaches affects recruiting? gee, who knew? 
just teasing. i think strong is doing great so far. he started late and had a pretty big disadvantage, but he's compensated for it well IMO. he's bringing in somebody for everybody who walks. i don't blame kids if they want to leave. i want kids that want to be here.
just teasing. i think strong is doing great so far. he started late and had a pretty big disadvantage, but he's compensated for it well IMO. he's bringing in somebody for everybody who walks. i don't blame kids if they want to leave. i want kids that want to be here.
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Auburn finished #8 (rivals ranking) after Chizik was fired. Florida finished #12 after Meyer resigned.
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Yep, I remember Auburn finishing high after Chizik was fired which is why I said I didn't recall where they finished. I also remember them getting a lot of decommitments the week after the Chizik firing, which either means the next coach kept some of the higher touted players or picked up some players once Chizik left. My memory isn't great but I think Auburn was in the top 4 classes until Chizik was canned.
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While the Vandy comparison may not be the ideal example, it does point out the bottom line. A coaching change = loss of recruits. It's all about relationships. A lot of those guys were coming to play for men they built a relationship with. Many of them don't know Charlie because he doesn't recruit in Texas. We won't know how bad/good this class is until 2-3 years later. We've had some top classes that didn't pan out. It's funny that Texas has a top 15 recruiting class and some people are complaining. The past few years we've had our a** kicked by teams with lower ranked recruiting classes. Let's see the product on the field before we make judgement.
At lesser programs (Vandy, Louisville, etc.) strong recruiting classes are drawn in largely because of the coaching staff.
At top programs the school is a bigger part of the draw, the individual coaches relatively less.
Hence it's tougher for lesser programs to keep their recruits intact when coaches leave.
At top programs the school is a bigger part of the draw, the individual coaches relatively less.
Hence it's tougher for lesser programs to keep their recruits intact when coaches leave.
Why are people worried...... Judging him based off of this recruiting class?? Are you dumb as hell? How long has he had to develop a relationship with the recruits? Most of Franklins recruits have followed him from Vandy. Texas is real close to getting Poona Ford Chris Nelson Nick Harvey and Jahshawn Johnson. This team is in good shape. Patience people
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Nick Harvey?
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