This Is What I'm Hearing

[Sirhornsalot]

This is for McPhaul and Sirhornsalot. Give me your gut. I have gone back and forth on this and I have absolutley no knowledge or inside information. But I feel Saban is going to be the next coach of The University of Texas if there is no announcement before January 3rd. This is purely gut and hope. But there was a quote from Sabans first press conference when AU started practicing again for the Sugar Bowl. He was vague in his answer about Texas. He kept sayign things like " I am committed to THIS team, and I thought we KINDA covered all of this." He left a lot of doors open. Alabama Football: News and Notes from Nick Saban's 1st Post-Iron Bowl Presser | Bleacher Report

My gut says Saban to Texas.

Because of the stink Mack brought last time and my lack of law knowledge, it concerns me some. I am encouraged by what some have said on this thread, such as HornNDriftwood. Are you an attorney, btw, HND?

It's Saban to Texas, IMO, unless something unforeseen to the extreme happens with Mack. Yesterday I was left with the impression that this thing is more or less locked up. Nothing on that front was said today that would make me think any different.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

My gut says Saban to Texas.
Because of the stink Mack brought last time and my lack of law knowledge, it concerns me some. I am encouraged by what some have said on this thread, such as HornNDriftwood. Are you an attorney, btw, HND?

It's Saban to Texas, IMO, unless something unforeseen to the extreme happens with Mack. Yesterday I was left with the impression that this thing is more or less locked up. Nothing on that front was said today that would make me think any different.

What does locked up mean? I only define that as he has signed a contract and the press conference is scheduled and the story is on the ESPN ticker..

 

[Peoples Elbow]

If Saban wants this job he will have it. At this stage of the game Mack is not going to do a damn thing about it. Do you really think NS is going to lay down if Mack throws another fit? I don't think so. He already stepped aside once to allow for Mack to cry about. Not happening again. If anything it's going to make him angry and more motivated to waltz in here with Macks players and kick ass.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

What does locked up mean? I only define that as he has signed a contract and the press conference is scheduled and the story is on the ESPN ticker..

Yes, I was left with the impression that they got something in ink.

With a bowl game ahead for both coaches, you'll see an announcement after those bowls.

 

[Slamsox]

Yes, I was left with the impression that they got something in ink.
With a bowl game ahead for both coaches, you'll see an announcement after those bowls.

Music to my ears!!! Bowl games can't finish soon enough!

 

[Embrey]

If JJ has anything to do with this then he is hurting UT and we have his name on our field. We need to rip his name off our field. He is putting Mack's interest above UT's interest.

If any name is on the field it should be PUF (Permanent University Fund). The fund has dwarfed what JJ has given.

 

[DocHorn]

What does locked up mean? I only define that as he has signed a contract and the press conference is scheduled and the story is on the ESPN ticker..

Guys he may think he has a case, not against the university, but against individuals that initiated contact with Sabans agent almost a yr ago. Multiple people could be named in the suit and likely it would end up being dropped, Mack would have to show these guys interfered with his contract and it was a direct cUse of him losing his job. That is a tough sell to a judge or jury because

1 he resigned

2 he sucked as a coach these past few yrs

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Yes, I was left with the impression that they got something in ink.
With a bowl game ahead for both coaches, you'll see an announcement after those bowls.

Well then that is something

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Guys he may think he has a case, not against the university, but against individuals that initiated contact with Sabans agent almost a yr ago. Multiple people could be named in the suit and likely it would end up being dropped, Mack would have to show these guys interfered with his contract and it was a direct cUse of him losing his job. That is a tough sell to a judge or jury because
1 he resigned

2 he sucked as a coach these past few yrs

I was referring to Saban

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Well then that is something

Let me elaborate. I was not told they had something in ink. This is my opinion.

There were three phone calls I took yesterday morning and afternoon. After each one was finished, my first thought was "they must have something signed." The confidence that was used led me to think that. I never got that impression the first go round.

 

[skj7]

First if you recognize my handle from OB you will know I am not a Mack Brown fan. Good riddance.
To me it just seems way too Days of Our Lives sensationalistic to be true.

Second he voluntarily resigned on national TV. He would seem to have zero case.

Third if there was any threat of this through back channels I find it hard to believe he would be allowed to coach the bowl game.

Fourth. Outside of Leach (who was fired) has there ever been a HC who sued their school?

Mack has already alienated many fans this would take that to a new level. For someone who others have said he wants to be in a DKR emeritus role around campus this would end any chance that would ever happen.

As an FYI I am always in the never say never camp but hope this is not true. Just my $.02 on the matter.

PDX - what you have said does make sense to me - however when a person has been given too much power and had it for a long time it is very difficult for a person to give it up - specially have it taken away - sometimes in situations like this logical or rational thought can be thrown out of the window - ( i'm just trying to offer a different perspective here)

i hope what is stated by the OP is not true as not only would it reflect very poorly on Mack but also damage our university brand

 

[btown1110]

All that needs to be done is this:

"Mr. Brown, Cleve Bryant is on line one and says he'll go public and ruin your reputation if you keep this up. "

Problem solved.

 

[The Third Man]

The timing of the reports of the last two days on this site is fishy. "Saban will be the next coach of the Texas Longhorns" and "Mack may file a lawsuit against the University" seems pretty convenient to have as a built in excuse why yet another "done deal" prediction with Saban falls through. There was no good reason for this last Saban report to come out yesterday. None.

 

[LinuxHorn]

The timing of the reports of the last two days on this site is fishy. "Saban will be the next coach of the Texas Longhorns" and "Mack may file a lawsuit against the University" seems pretty convenient to have as a built in excuse why yet another "done deal" prediction with Saban falls through. There was no good reason for this last Saban report to come out yesterday. None.

Question. Why does there need to be a reason for someone to post what they are hearing? There's no agenda or timing. The guys in the know got information and shared it as soon as they could. It obviously has some truth to it if you read Jesus Shuttlesworth's only response.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

The timing of the reports of the last two days on this site is fishy. "Saban will be the next coach of the Texas Longhorns" and "Mack may file a lawsuit against the University" seems pretty convenient to have as a built in excuse why yet another "done deal" prediction with Saban falls through. There was no good reason for this last Saban report to come out yesterday. None.

I can appreciate your candor on the subject. This was certainly not a built in excuse. I'm on record as saying it still goes down with Saban. Mack may just be trying to flex his ego one last time.

If anything, given what happened the first time we tried hiring Saban, McPhaul is/was trying to stay out front with information that's given to him and shared with you and everyone else. The possibility of Mack Brown taking legal action against UT or even BMDs was worthy of notifying the masses.

The reason the news came out yesterday, mostly, was because it came out yesterday, and multiple sources (unconnected) got it at roughly the same time.

 

[java]

Guys he may think he has a case, not against the university, but against individuals that initiated contact with Sabans agent almost a yr ago. Multiple people could be named in the suit and likely it would end up being dropped, Mack would have to show these guys interfered with his contract and it was a direct cUse of him losing his job. That is a tough sell to a judge or jury because
1 he resigned

2 he sucked as a coach these past few yrs

He also had the following agreement with Powers prior to the beginning of the season. I believe, something along these lines were required to retain his job:

1) 10 wins + and a top 10 finish

2) Big 12 + a BCS bowl

3) A shared conference championship and a BCS bowl.

Mackie

"Turn out the lights,

The party's over.

They say that all,

good things must end...

Turn out the lights,

The party's over.

Don't let the door,

Hit your rear end...

 

[badboy783]

This is not a justification regarding Jamail - BUT <--- I hate that word too... Mack has built a working and personal relationship with Jamail over the years and in doing so he's been able to get some very powerful people to have his back. If JJ and his camp represent Mack Brown it is nothing but a business decision. For those who think Jamail is just an old coot who blows off at the mouth too much and nothing more, then you are only 50% correct. Yes he's old and full of vigor, however, he still has a ton of power to go along with the money that will be kicked in when he's gone. Because of that he has the ability to use fear tactics and must be respected when it comes to lawsuits. He also has a track record of being for the coaches, not against them when they have accomplished a lot for the University. It may sound cliche but you'd be hard pressed to find an attorney with ties to Texas that would want to step in and go toe to toe with Jamail IMO.

That said, I believe Mack will go away. He certainly has a lot of cards he could possibly play if he wanted to go the lawsuit route but it would eventually fizzle after being tied up. If he opens that can of worms, then look for the heavy hitters who vacated Mack's corner to turn over some stones on Mack during the process. This whole situaiton would end ugly for both sides and I think after cooler heads prevail, you'll see Mack take some time away from Texas, do some fund raising, and spend most of his time enjoying life in ways he hasn't been able to expereince it before. Right now he can't see the forest for the trees.

Patterson is the wild card in all of this and it makes you wonder if Luck wasn't on to something in wanting the HC position to be dealt with before he came along. I have trust in Patterson that he will be able to smooth this thing over on all sides by using the smart business head that's on his shoulders. Patterson's greatest accomplishment would be to sit down with JJ's camp and convince them to back off on their support of Brown in an effort to move in a positive direciton with the football program. New HC position aside, if he can get Mack to go quietly then Patterson can begin to trim the fat in the AD and not have to worry too much about scorned employees talking too much. If Mack, Jamail, and Dodds can rally the victim crowd, Patterson will have to be very selective in the manner that he chooses to start cutting back on staff numbers inside the AD.

 

[Texcess]

So true. Hope he comes to the realization he is hurting his own legacy.

 

[joeywa]

If this is remotely true, Patterson needs to call his bluff and make a public statement that the MBTF camp is considering / contemplating litigation against The University. Therefore, The University is removing MBTF from head coach operations for the Alamo Bowl.
The University of Texas much much much bigger than MBTF and should flex its collective muscle on Mack.

I really don't understand why, after Mack "stepped down" with his announcement, he is still going to coach the team in the bowl game. Most other schools would have an interim coach at the helm for their bowl game. What makes the Mack deal different?

 

[chornovisor]

It's astounding but after 16 yrs here Mack still doesn't get Texas. If he and JJ were to do this, he may not get how hated he would become. He is pissed off, has no case but certainly can make us look bad and scare off some good coaches. If he does this he will be hated and run out of Texas. It's just like the ouSuxx game, he still doesn't understand that it's not just another game. Mack still doesn't get Texas

In an odd way, you may be exactly right. My thoughts have been in a similar direction.