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What explanations did coaches give you to describe the differences between Spread and Pro concepts?
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To me, that piece is more of a discussion of pro vs spread formations and a few personnel tweaks for those formations (and a couple plays that are run from those formations).
In terms of actual scheme/style of offense, it goes much deeper than formation.
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True, spread teams throw more quick passes on rhythm and screens.
I also pointed out to IB that spread teams generally use wider splits with their OL, too.
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Schematically, the main difference is in how the quarterback is used against unblocked defenders. Generally, a pro-style quarterback is asked to read a defense at the LOS, then stand in the pocket, and go through several progressions.
A spread qb has a key to read in the run game (that dictates whether he keeps it, or hands it off), or on passing plays, there's basically a one read route, or a dump off to a safety valve.
It's two very different skills. Most HS offenses are running a derivation of the spread, that's why quarterbacks struggle when they get to college if they have to convert to a pro style offense. Same thing (magnified) applies to spread quarterbacks that go to the NFL and try to convert.
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Not all spread QBs are a threat to run the zone read. See Tech, UH, and Baylor. A dual-threat QB is ideal, but not a requirement.
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Houston has some zone stuff they run with Ward.
Odds are Baylor will put some in sooner or later.
I get what you're saying though. There's two types of "spread"..... Traditional run-n-shoot kind and the spread option (Oregon)...
Watching Texas you could tell a lot of their stuff wasn't a read- either a give or keep. Not having a QB that couldn't read the option stuff hurt because the way the OL was. One less person to block for a struggling OL.
Now that is genius and damn funny. If we can't laugh at ourselves who can we laugh at. I think we will have a much better play chart for next year.
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Don't know where else to put this, so I'll put it here. I just saw where the arkie coach, Bielima( not sure how to spell his name) is taking shots at Strong's core values on Twitter. Just another jerk kicking us while we're down. Hope we get to play again once we are back to full strength
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If Bulimia (pun intended) is really doing that, it just shows what a classless tool he is. This is the kind of jackassery that arky fans engage in about anything Texas.
Ignore them.
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1st off... I hope not, I've never seen a team block a Zone Read and not have an actual read on the playLocksley
2nd, Up Tempo offenses always seemed like a gadget to me. It limits the kinds of plays you can run as well as limiting the potential size of your team (strength and weight wise not depth). I understand that they are somewhat effective, but by scoring quickly you really give the other team a lot of time to game plan, kill the clock, control the amount of possessions in a game, etc... I suppose it really comes down to what do you want your offense to do?
Score points or Control the game.
It sounds dumb at first because any sane first response is, "yeah score some damn points" but when you look at some of the more successful teams in the past they win games more so by not allowing their opponent to score rather than scoring more than their opponent.
In other words... If you score 48 points in a game you should win. Although, if you only let your opponent score 10 points, you should also win .
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I thought this was an interesting piece considering the new additions to the offense. Though he's not discussed, I could see Warren used as the H on occassion.
The Gameplan: Texas TE tandem (http://insidetexas.com/gameplan-texas-te-tandem/)
Summary
There is a lot an offense can do when they have dual-threat players at H and Y who can serve as targets in the passing game or blockers for the run. The fact that it’s hard to find big athletes who are skilled enough to do all this means that Big 12 offenses usually eschew these tactics, therefore Big 12 defenses are not designed or prepared with double-TE sets in mind.
Undoubtedly with this in mind, Oklahoma ran double TE sets last year with a 6-foot-1, 260-pound former walk-on combined with a 6-foot-6, 260-pound converted QB as the H and Y and they ran all over teams without even presenting a credible passing attack.
If McNeal and Clarington adapt well at these positions, then the future becomes very bright for Strong’s offense.
The Gameplan: Texas TE tandem (http://insidetexas.com/gameplan-texas-te-tandem/)
Summary
There is a lot an offense can do when they have dual-threat players at H and Y who can serve as targets in the passing game or blockers for the run. The fact that it’s hard to find big athletes who are skilled enough to do all this means that Big 12 offenses usually eschew these tactics, therefore Big 12 defenses are not designed or prepared with double-TE sets in mind.
Undoubtedly with this in mind, Oklahoma ran double TE sets last year with a 6-foot-1, 260-pound former walk-on combined with a 6-foot-6, 260-pound converted QB as the H and Y and they ran all over teams without even presenting a credible passing attack.
If McNeal and Clarington adapt well at these positions, then the future becomes very bright for Strong’s offense.
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You make some very valid points and I agree the QB really needs to properly read the D to make the zone read successful.
I don't think this team has to fully be in the camp of control the game OR wide open / score points. Why not primarily be a ball control O but have the up-tempo as a weapon?
The Horns need to have up tempo in our scheme and use it effectively. There will be times in games where the other team has taken momentum, has taken a significant lead, hostile road environment, etc. The O needs to answer. I think the Horns need to be prepared to go up tempo as the coaches judge. Go up tempo and put the D off balance, don't allow them to substitute / shuttle players, make some of their D guys fatigued, gain or re-gain momentum and score points.
Just my .02
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I just can't see CFS going HUNH all the time to force the offense's tempo. It just puts too much stress on a defense. Realistically, I can see us mixing it in to keep opponents off balance when our personnel groupings give us a competitive advantage. On paper, McNeal is looking like a helluva H-back.
It's starting to look like Norvell is gonna be important to our game-planning. Can't wait to see what he and Wickline do with our running game.
It's starting to look like Norvell is gonna be important to our game-planning. Can't wait to see what he and Wickline do with our running game.
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